Why Can't Campbell be the backup?

[CRobi21]

Emoshag should be on the mtv show "Yo Momma", dude's quick with the witty comebacks. Almost as good as me.

[modazfuk]

A high GPA isn't the be-all-end-all, but having one certainly doesn't hurt your chances of getting your foot in the door, but once you're in, you could easily find yourself being passed on the Corporate ladder by more aggressive, hungrier, more go-getter types, so you can't rest of your laurels just because you came from Harvard with a high GPA. Performance is all that matters in the business world.

[Emoshag]

Poor analogy. Other than sports, employers don't draft you out of college. If they did, you can bet your ass that your GPA and a bunch of other things would matter. The closest you might get to that could be something like lawyers out of a high power law school. Many firms will go and recruit guys right out of there. And do you think they look at GPA, where you were in your class, and a bunch of other factors? Hell yes.

I am talking about a college degree. Very, very different than a doctorate. Applied and theoretical sciences count, as well as the fields of law and medicine. But aside from those, nobody cares. And the point I am trying to make is you could be Magna Cum Laude from an Ivy League school. But if you keep ****ing up at work and don't further the business.... they fire your ass. Or, if you are in the government, they promote you out of the way so you can't do any more inhibiting or harm.

Campbell, in my opinion, has inhibited the team. We have spent two seasons asking the question if he is the answer or not. Well, one of the smartest men I have ever known once told me this:

"If there is ever any doubt; there is no doubt."

So because there are doubts about Jason, I don't doubt him being a waste of time. Just my opinion. But logically and historically, he would be a rare exception to the rule "If you paint a turd gold and hope to cash in.... you only chance of getting rich is fooling the fools."

[Emoshag]

Emoshag should be on the mtv show "Yo Momma", dude's quick with the witty comebacks. Almost as good as me.

Thanks, but I would get my ass kicked. I only am witty when it doesn't matter..... :doh:

[Morneblade]

his 6'3 212 pounds. thats fine for a QB. theres nowhere in the manual where it says you need to be an ogre to play the position.

and his accuracy is incredible. thats why im so intrigued with the kid. he was a winner in college, and yes he played sub par teams, but he absolutely crushed them with his arm. and he showed flashes of brilliance in the preseason.

all i want is a shot for the dude. if hes as flawed as you claim, we can all move on. until then, all we can do is speculate.

Campbell was accurate in College,(70% accurate) playing in a WCO and people say he cant play in one. And it was college, big difference than in the pros. Do I think Colt has some upside? Yes. But I'm not going to annoint him as a starter playing against scrubs in preseason early. Campbell has better mechanics, a better arm better size as well as unfortunately having to play in just about every Pro offense there is in the last few years. I'd like to see how he does in one after getting a year in it before writing him off.

[Morneblade]

Real good? He is far more accurate than Campbell.

According to what? College stats?

You might want to look at them again then.

And who gives a **** how the ball comes out if it gets there when the receiver is in space, doesn't have to adjust to make the catch or is just coming open as opposed to being open for more than two seconds so the QBs slow decision making process can come to the conclusion that he should throw it.

Lots of coaches do. Considering that Colt is short for a QB, he is going to get alot of balls batted down with such a release. Which by that way happened in preseason last year.

Fran Tarkenton had a bad release. Rich Gannon had a bad release. Favre had a bad release. Romo sits to pee has a bad release. All 4 of them are franchise QBs (save Romo sits to pee possibly because of his decision making... but if he keeps blowing Decembers and Januarys I wouldn't mind). And Brennan is bigger than Drew Brees. So that right there is just a silly point. Last I checked.... Brees was pretty damn good.

Tarkenton play several decades ago and was more of a scrambling QB. Gannon, Favre and Romo sits to pee have a slightly sidearm release. Then there is Colt's which is of the likes no one has ever seen.......

If you have to use a guys throwing motion to make the point he will never be successful then its a weak arguement to begin with.

If it was the ONLY thing I was using, I would agree. However............it's not. Try again.

Speaking of high school.... what is "offence?"

And accepted spelling of Offense.

"of⋅fense   /əˈfɛns or, for 7–9, ˈɔfɛns, ˈɒfɛns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-fens or, for 7–9, aw-fens, of-ens] Show IPA

–noun 1.a violation or breaking of a social or moral rule; transgression; sin.2.a transgression of the law; misdemeanor.3.a cause of transgression or wrong.4.something that offends or displeases.5.the act of offending or displeasing.6.the feeling of resentful displeasure caused: to give offense. 7.the act of attacking; attack or assault: weapons of offense. 8.a person, army, etc., that is attacking.9.Sports. a.the players or team unit responsible for attacking or scoring in a game.b.the players possessing or controlling the ball, puck, etc., or the aspects or period of a game when this obtains.c.a pattern or style of scoring attack: single-wing offense; fast-break offense. d.offensive effectiveness; ability to score: a total breakdown in offense. 10.Archaic. injury, harm, or hurt.

Also, offence. " :cool2:

[skinsdude]

Game, set, match. If putting in someone else is setting the offense back, then that means that Campbell was the best choice.

Nothing has happened for any of the three EXCEPT Campbell getting more experience than Brennan and Collins. Therefore, calling for them is absolutely stupid.

Why, we're going to be drafting a new quarterback next year anyway. Before we do that lets see what one of the other quarterbacks on our roster can do. Maybe we have our quarterback of the future on our team right now. We are more than likely just going to be treading water next year until we get a real QB. Certainly would save us money and picks and allow us to concentrate on the O-line in next years draft.

[DCMONEY]

My question is why do you actually think CB can do any better then JC? I think JC with a decent offensive line and having the chance to stay in the same system would allow him to finally be a productive QB, meantime CB has done nothing but looked good against pre season camp fodder and 3rd string defenses. Let CB sit another year if anything and if JC walks next year then give him a chance......

I think people forget the caliber of defenses Jason faced last season too.

[ntotoro]

Jason shouldn't have to compete. After all, as long as the O-Line picks up every single block every play, the WR's run the perfect pattern every single time and never drop a pass and blocking RB doesn't whiff ever, he'll be fine!!!

[Hunter_R]

I think people forget the caliber of defenses Jason faced last season too.

I think people forget he also played against the Browns, Lions, Rams, Bengals, and 49ers.

[Laxpunk2006]

Personally I'm a Campbell fan and I think he can be a quality starter, so I'll get that out of the way.

There is no way Campbell is going to stay as a backup. Someone will give him an opportunity to at least compete for a #1 position assuming he doesn't have an awful year. After the way he's been he's been treated these past few weeks there isn't going to be any hometown loyalty when he hits FA.

I think he can start but I also think he could be the best backup in the league. He does all the things you want as a backup QB, he manages well, takes what the defense gives him, doesn't turn the ball over, and he has plenty of game experience.

If he doesn't cut it as the starter I would love to see him stay as the #2, but it's not happening.

[DCMONEY]

I think people forget he also played against the Browns, Lions, Rams, Bengals, and 49ers.

Yeah and he(Campbell) played against the Raven #2, Steelers #1, Cowbums #9 twice, Eagels #3 twice, Giants #5 twice and for your info the 49ers and Bengals defenses are ranked #12 and #13 respectively.

Now Cutler who the Skins were trying to trade for didn't face the caliber of defenses Jason faced. Jason played at least 8 games against a top 10 defense. Cutler played behind a better line and faced sigificantly lesser ranked defenses. I'm not getting into who's better but I'm just stating a fact. There are people on this forum that don't believe some of these factors make a difference. Me, I know better.

[Emoshag]

According to what? College stats?

You might want to look at them again then.

I did. Colt has the NCAA record for career passing completion percentage with 70.4%. He went 1,115 of 1,584. Its in the NCAA FBS Record Book, if you actually care to do your homework instead of arbitrarily making **** up as you type.

And yeah, its just college. Sure. But he also had a better completion percentage last preseason than Campbell.

Brennan? 67.9% for a 109.9 rating.

Campbell? 59.0% for a 70.7 rating.

Do your homework.

Lots of coaches do. Considering that Colt is short for a QB, he is going to get alot of balls batted down with such a release. Which by that way happened in preseason last year.

Colt didn't have a single batted ball last preseason. Check the game logs at NFL.com He was the only one who didn't between Campbell, Collins and himself. June Jones teaches a technique called finding throwing "lanes." Lots of coaches do. But Brennan is very, very good at it. As evidenced by his extremely accurate throws and complete lack of batted passes. Here is a video from last preseason. At exactly 1:34 you can see a slow motion of the camera behind him as he releases the ball. He throws perfectly down a lane that is several feet wide and clear. But exactly 1 second earlier he had two linemen in his face. Brilliant.

Again, do your homework.

Tarkenton play several decades ago and was more of a scrambling QB. Gannon, Favre and Romo sits to pee have a slightly sidearm release. Then there is Colt's which is of the likes no one has ever seen.......

Tarkenton invented the scrambling quarterback. He also was the pre-Brett Favre who would make throws that mechanically were "all wrong" but no one complained when he was the only good thing about a historically average Vikings team.

If it was the ONLY thing I was using, I would agree. However............it's not. Try again.

Everything you said was semantics and/or opinion. And the times you referenced "Facts" you were just flat out wrong. And if you weren't referencing facts.... you were insinuating something that was just completely off base.

And accepted spelling of Offense.

Offence is improper. The latin derivative determines the "proper" spelling. Neither here nor there, and improper is not synonymous with wrong. It's just the improper way to spell it. Here is a good Wiki explaining how American and British English are different. Without a National Spelling Convention the etymological derivatives of the word are considered the "Proper" way to spell a word and the alternatives are considered "Improper." English 102.

[HawaiianTime]

Yeah and he(Campbell) played against the Raven #2, Steelers #1, Cowbums #9 twice, Eagels #3 twice, Giants #5 twice and for your info the 49ers and Bengals defenses are ranked #12 and #13 respectively.

Now Cutler who the Skins were trying to trade for didn't face the caliber of defenses Jason faced. Jason played at least 8 games against a top 10 defense. Cutler played behind a better line and faced sigificantly lesser ranked defenses. I'm not getting into who's better but I'm just stating a fact. There are people on this forum that don't believe some of these factors make a difference. Me, I know better.

I think his point is that yes, Campbell played against tough defenses, but he did nothing against much poorer defenses either. We had hoped he would have torn them to shreds, but to no avail.

[Kunia5]

That was why the seats were empty last year. Too many pointless defensive battles, where the offense would do just enough to lose.

[BigMike619]

hahahah@colt college stats meaning anything. youre comparing them to Campbell like that means ANYTHING in the NFL. but you forgot ONE stat that very well could just stop that argument.

Campbell 1 championship, Brennan 0.

[RocketCitySkins]

And yeah, its just college. Sure. But he also had a better completion percentage last preseason than Campbell.

Brennan? 67.9% for a 109.9 rating.

Campbell? 59.0% for a 70.7 rating.

Do your homework.

And you think playing against 1st string defensive backs and db's who aren't even on a roster now makes no difference. Well, okey dokey.

[KokoMike]

Jason Campbell won the College Football Championship. College football doesn't have a champion. Therefore, that championship is fiction. Since it is fiction, it is fair to say it is a dream. Some dreams are nightmares. Jason is a nightmare. (not really)

[mistertim]

Jason Campbell won the College Football Championship. College football doesn't have a champion. Therefore, that championship is fiction. Since it is fiction, it is fair to say it is a dream. Some dreams are nightmares. Jason is a nightmare. (not really)

I think he meant the SEC Championship and a Bowl Game win.

[zCommander]

If Zorn is a rookie HC that REALLY doesn't believe in Campbell, I feel like "his" pick wouldn't have been somewhere that low in the draft.

You have just been hired to coach JC and then you are promoted to be a HC. Since you are so bright. You tell me at what round should the coach have picked a QB?

Just in case you don't know let's see what Uncle Vinny had to say about the pick:

Redskins vice president Vinny Cerrato said Brennan will have time to develop. “We’ve got an outstanding person to coach him and teach him," Cerrato told ESPN. "(Redskins coach) Jim Zorn will be just what the doctor ordered for him. There’s no pressure, he’s got time to learn and develop. "He’s done a ton of things. He’s had a lot of success. You can’t discount all the victories and all the touchdowns." Brennan was the 10th quarterback selected in the draft. Scouts considered him a potential late first round or second round pick for the 2007 draft, but Brennan decided to return to UH for his senior season.

[terpskins10]

You have just been hired to coach JC and then you are promoted to be a HC. Since you are so bright. You tell me at what round should the coach have picked a QB?

Just in case you don't know let's see what Uncle Vinny had to say about the pick:

Redskins vice president Vinny Cerrato said Brennan will have time to develop. “We’ve got an outstanding person to coach him and teach him," Cerrato told ESPN. "(Redskins coach) Jim Zorn will be just what the doctor ordered for him. There’s no pressure, he’s got time to learn and develop. "He’s done a ton of things. He’s had a lot of success. You can’t discount all the victories and all the touchdowns." Brennan was the 10th quarterback selected in the draft. Scouts considered him a potential late first round or second round pick for the 2007 draft, but Brennan decided to return to UH for his senior season.

I've already covered my reasoning for that statement. Go back a bit and check it out.

That being said, nothing Cerrato stated had anything to do with Brennan developing into a starter or a backup. I'm not saying he's going to be one or the other, but that quote you posted doesn't really say anything at all.

[Emoshag]

And you think playing against 1st string defensive backs and db's who aren't even on a roster now makes no difference. Well, okey dokey.

Have you seen or heard from any of the players blocking for, running the rock for, or catching the passes from Brennan last preseason? Nope? Its because only one of them made a roster (McMullen in Seattle) as a 5th receiver. He caught 7 passes last year. And Anthony Mix was on the active roster for Tampa Bay for 2 games last year. He never saw the field. It's absolutely inane to think that the "played against scrubs" argument has any validity when he was playing WITH them as well. Hell, a lot of us LOVED Marcus Mason. Did he make a roster? No..... Baltimore picked him up, slapped him to the practice squad and lo and behold... he is back in the Skins training camp. So please, find something more than opinion.

hahahah@colt college stats meaning anything. youre comparing them to Campbell like that means ANYTHING in the NFL. but you forgot ONE stat that very well could just stop that argument.

Campbell 1 championship, Brennan 0.

FINALLY! Something valid, true and relevant. But you contradict (or hypocritize) your own statement. If college stats mean nothing... then how does a college bowl victory mean anything? And yeah, Colt played like **** in that game. He also had two other games where he played like ****. 2007 vs. Idaho he threw 5 INTs. Oh, he still led them to a 48-20 win. And in the same year he threw 4 INTs vs. San Jose and scored 2 TDs. in the final 3:53 of the game (with a 2yd TD run with 31 seconds left) to force overtime and then won with a game winning TD.

The guy truely knows how to shrug off his mistakes, rally his team and fight back and win losing games. He wasn't just a run'n'shoot phenom. He was a winner. And the Sugar Bowl? Yep, I will say it again. He looked bad. And I won't use the excuse of "he had no line to protect him." He missed two wide open throws to Bess and he threw 2 of 3 INTs on very bad reads. But that was just one game. Campbell, he didn't have bad games his senior year. Hell, he only had 19.4 attempts per game he senior year. Did I mention his two running backs both went in the top 5 of the draft that same year? Yeah, Campbell was the Roethlisberger of the NCAA that year. So if you get into college stats and like comparing, clearly Auburn was a better football team. But Brennan was clearly a better individual player. Records, stats and wins.

But thats not the point. The point anyone who is tired of the Jason Campbell experiment and is bored with our lackluster offense and has seen the guy work his magic is completely excited to see what he can do with a real NFL squad at his disposal. All the naysayers might be pleasantly suprised.

And again, Brennan could be a flop too. But the point isn't to see Brennan get the nod. The point is to see Campbell get the plug pulled. Just like we all did with Brunell. And Ramsey. And half of our starters since Joey. I just want to see someone blossom behind center. Not just Office Space it.

[RocketCitySkins]

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And you think playing against 1st string defensive backs and db's who aren't even on a roster now makes no difference. Well, okey dokey.

Have you seen or heard from any of the players blocking for, running the rock for, or catching the passes from Brennan last preseason? So please, find something more than opinion.

Where in my post did I say anything about o-line?, an RB? or a WR?

Only the WR would have any bearing on whether a 1st string DB would be able to intercept a pass that a 3rd string or 4 string db would not have the skills to react to in time.