PFT: 2009 Rookie Pool cap numbers

[Oldskool]

Once I figure out where the hell they got these numbers from I'll update the thread.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/28/2009-rookie-pool-numbers/

AFC East

Bills: $5,940,374

Dolphins: $4,820,998

Patriots: $6,032,711

Jets: $3,429,442

AFC North

Ravens: $3,372,231

Bengals: $6,636,324

Browns: $4,928,948

Steelers: $4,284,902

AFC South

Texans: $4,603,346

Colts: $4,079,726

Jaguars: $5,737,150

Titans: $5,158,799

AFC West

Broncos: $7,117,871

Chiefs: $5,538,247

Raiders: $5,048,693

Chargers: $4,200,683

NFC East

Cowboys: $4,639,193

Giants: $4,867,462

Eagles: $4,060,021

Redskins: $3,460,954

NFC North

Bears: $3,497,111

Lions: $8,074,992

Packers; $5,443,396

Vikings: $3,064,512

NFC South

Falcons: $4,126,197

Panthers: $3,326,694

Saints: $2,802,342

Buccaneers: $3,359,466

Cardinals: $3,976,197

NFC West

49ers: $4,107,801

Rams: $5,825,441

Seahawks: $5,192,801

[IbleedBnG83]

Not sure really what to make of this. Interesting?

[mnb123]

Have there been any contracts signed yet or are these just based on last years numbers + a %?

[Oldskool]

Have there been any contracts signed yet or are these just based on last years numbers + a %?

Here's just a bit of how it's calculated.

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2009/04/rookie-pool-and-salary-cap.html

How it all works

Saying that the rookie pool is "a cap within a cap" is a bit of a misnomer because the rookie pool actually is a separate accounting from the salary cap, although rookies count toward both limits. The calculations are different, though, so the amount a rookie counts against the rookie pool isn't necessarily the same as the amount he counts against the salary cap.

When a player is drafted, he automatically is tendered a one-year contract for the rookie minimum base salary (for 2009, that is $310,000). This amount immediately is applied to the team's rookie pool and salary cap. Because most teams have at least 51 players with cap numbers higher than the rookie minimum salary before the draft, the automatic tenders for drafted players won't affect those teams' cap at all. It sometimes is mistakenly reported that teams must have cap room in order to use their draft choices, but that applies only to teams that have fewer than 51 players signed or tendered at the time of the draft. And even then, it applies only to the number of draft choices a team uses until it has 51 players signed or tendered. So, for example, if a team had 49 players signed or tendered before the draft, it would need only $620,000 of cap room in order to make all of its selections. After the first two draftees are automatically tendered, the team would have 51 players signed or tendered, and the rest of the team's draftees would fall outside its 51 highest cap numbers and would not affect its cap.

When a drafted player signs his contract, the team is charged against its salary cap according to the Rule of 51, and it is charged against its rookie pool according to the rules in Article XVII.

Let's consider a seventh-round draft pick who signs a four-year contract with minimum base salaries and a $44,000 signing bonus and who was selected by a team with its 51st-highest cap number being $400,000 (for a second-year player with a $385,000 base salary). His first-year cap number would be $321,000, consisting of his $310,000 base salary and his $11,000 bonus proration. Because he was drafted, the entire $321,000 would count against his team's rookie pool, replacing his automatic tender. But because he is below his team's top 51 cap numbers, only his $11,000 bonus proration counts against the salary cap during the offseason.

Now consider a third-round draft pick for the same team. He signs a four-year contract with minimum base salaries and a signing bonus of $700,000. His first-year cap number would be $485,000, consisting of his $310,000 base salary and his $175,000 bonus proration. All $485,000 would count against his team's rookie pool and against his team's salary cap. However, by assuming his place in the team's top 51 cap numbers, he knocks the player with a $400,000 cap number ($385,000 base salary) out of the team's top 51. For that player, his base salary no longer counts against the cap, leaving only the other $15,000 counting against the cap. The net result is that the team's cap room is reduced by only $100,000 — the draftee's $485,000 is charged against the cap, but the second-year player's $385,000 base salary no longer is.

[jivelikenice]

Where does that leave us versus the cap when you take out this allotment?

[theboomking]

+1

I would also like to know where this leaves with cap room, but don't know where to go looking. Anybody have a better idea?

[CommDownMan]

http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php

this is the best I have seen and it says 2009 cap hits. I don't know what the last update was however.

edit: Springs, Taylor and Washington are still on there and no Haynesworth, so it's probably "end of season" numbers.

[CommDownMan]

from the link above:

They are currently courting free agent offensive tackles Ray Willis and Elton Brown, still talking to guard Pete Kendall about resigning, and expected to resign defensive end Phillip Daniels and maybe linebacker/special teams ace Khary Campbell. They may not get Ray Willis and Elton Brown, but not counting Dirk Johnson, the Washington Redskins are more than $11 million under the 2009 salary cap on March 5th and are anything but limited in what the can do between now and the 2009 NFL Draft.

Marth 5th: 11 million under and only ~4 mill is alloted for the rookies. Still room for a few minimum contracts and maybe 1 solid player (like a certain Seahawk LB...)

edit: I lied, it's this page.

http://www.thehogs.net/content/index.php?id=1178

[Never4get#21]

Marth 5th: 11 million under and only ~4 mill is alloted for the rookies. Still room for a few minimum contracts and maybe 1 solid player (like a certain Seahawk LB...)

Im with ya on that. We pickup a servicable SAM and were set. I would also like to see a RT/LT become available. No long term signing(after all we can hope on next years draft), but someone better than Heyer.

[Dah-Dee]

Marth 5th: 11 million under and only ~4 mill is alloted for the rookies. Still room for a few minimum contracts and maybe 1 solid player (like a certain Seahawk LB...)

Interesting, had approx. $7M, but that was apparently before signing Daniels, Wynn, Thomas, Fincher, Doughty, Williams, Mason, and maybe the 13 UDFAs (do they count against the cap?). We did release Sinclair, though, so that helps a little. I wonder what the cap room looks like right now, with post-draft releases/waivers happening?

[AKM311]

We were just under $7M going into the draft.

That leaves about $3M with these rookie signings. Probably more as the 13 UDFA's and the 6th and 7th rounders will not count initially as the top 53 player contracts.

[CommDownMan]

We were just under $7M going into the draft.

That leaves about $3M with these rookie signings. Probably more as the 13 UDFA's and the 6th and 7th rounders will not count initially as the top 53 player contracts.

According to this it's top 51 players that count against the cap.

http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary51.php

And don't forget that rookie signinga can bump a player off the top 51. If Orapko is a 4 mill, he'll knock a 400K guy off, so it's 3.6 added. (random numbers).