ESPN: Clayton: Bills likely not done dealing (Info of Redskins' Interest)

[Thirtyfive2seven]

imagine if we had better field position.

Doesn't help, the skins still can't score even when given the ball at the 20 yard line

I agree with you that it makes sense in terms of value, but the Skins should/could use a current player on the roster to do the same thing. Hall, Thomas, etc etc. El blows.

[Thinking Skins]

you mean like Moss, Portis, Marcus Washington, Andre Carter, Pete Kendall, Jason Fabini, Shawn Springs

or old guys like Riggins, Sonny, Sam Huff, Joe Washington, Chuck Parde, Diron Talbort, Ken Houston, Bobby Mitchell, Doug Willams, Jim Lachey, Ernest Byner, Kilmer

BTW, ARE's receiving numbers increased as a Redskin

Nah, I mean like ARE, Chad Morton, Jerome Mathis, in addition to the list of usual suspects.

I'm of the opinion that we're already pretty good as blockers and we just need somebody back there with speed and vision to help us out. Look at what Moss did last year when he replaced ARE against the Lions.

I'd like to see what Aldridge and Dorsey can do with our returh scheme. Or if we were to draft somebody or sign a UDFA, then cool. But I'd rather try to sure up the backup running back spot who can also be a return man.

[TheREALJBird]

I actually think a 5th round pick is pretty good value for Scoe. He's got elite speed and is a threat to take it to the house on any given kickoff/punt (seems like all Miami guys are ). I wouldn't do this trade though

[triple569]

He would be a definite upgrade at punt return but he'd have to play in punt coverage also to warrant a spot on our roster and I deem him about useless in that aspect. So I would have to say pass.

[IrepDC]

How about this season, this ONE season, we give the guys on OUR roster a chance. Just because El sucks doesn't mean we can't find an improvement who's already on the team. Similar can be said for a lot of our other position needs. Pass rush, line backer, if we can't DRAFT a player than I think we try out what wehave. The only position where I feel outside help is a must no matter from trade, draft, or FA is our OL.

[skinsbosoxheels]

Wasn't Parrish hurt last year???

Doesn't matter if he was hurt or sit on the bench...ALL players from The "U" end up in Washington.

[Dah-Dee]

:doh: no just tops in the NFL last year, #6 this past year

Bubba, he might have had the 6th highest yards per return of all players who returned at least one punt, but among the regular punt returners Parrish was #1 again in 2008.

[Thinking Skins]

Bubba, he might have had the 6th highest yards per return of all players who returned at least one punt, but among the regular punt returners Parrish was #1 again in 2008.

But lets look at the guys who led the league before him:

2006 Pacman Jones: 4.5 yards per punt return last year

2005 Reno Mahe: 9.4 and 8.0 yards per punt return in 2006 and 2007

2004 Eddie Drummond: 6.0, 10.6, and 6.9 yards per punt return in 2005, 2006, and 2007

2003 Dante Hall: 10.1, 6.6, 8.9, 15.1, 10.3 yards per punt return in the last 5 years.

There's a regular pattern here. Just because a guy is at the top one year doesn't mean that he's gonna be there the next year. Dante Hall's a guy who's consistently up there, but look at how he was in his down years.

The thing I want is a guy who's trying to prove himself. Why? Because he will be giving us his all and not holding back on any play (ala ARE).

Plus Parrish wouldn't be a kickoff and punt return man, he'd just be a punt return guy. I'd like to see us get somebody who can do a nice job at both.

[Dah-Dee]

But lets look at the guys who led the league before him:

All that tells me is it's even more likely Parrish is the exception to whatever rule you think you see, as he's been more consistent that anyone on that list. He's also young, and small -- so he's always going to have something to prove.

If ARE not holding back gets us 6.5 YPR, we're in trouble.

Who the heck says Parrish can't be a kick returner? Even in only limited opportunities, his career kick return average is within a yard of Rock (who will be 30 this season).

[NBC89]

I think his only use would be a PR and KR, which couldn't hurt for a 5th rounder. Still odd that the Skins are considered ideal for him, though.

[addicted]

Parrish's contract details:

http://www.rotoworld.com/CONTENT/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=3197

12/14/2007: Signed a three-year, $12.31 million contract extension through 2011. The deal included a $1.1 million signing bonus and another $3.25 million "signing bonus" in the second year. 2009: $1 million (+ $1.5 million "signing" bonus + $500,000 roster bonus), 2010-2011: $1.025 million (+ $500,000 roster bonuses), 2012: Free Agent

Way too much money for just a punt kick returner. PASS

[a0tmike21]

If they just want a low 4th or 5th for Parish I would give it to him he is a little guy but is really fast and a good punt returner much better than ARE.

[RenegadeTK]

Way too much money for just a punt kick returner. PASS

yeah.... thats a bit too much. i still want to see how d.hall does on punt returning duty

[Est.1974]

We have 5 draft picks. No thanks.

Maybe they cut him anyway before he gets one of those bonus payments.

[Thinking Skins]

All that tells me is it's even more likely Parrish is the exception to whatever rule you think you see, as he's been more consistent that anyone on that list. He's also young, and small -- so he's always going to have something to prove.

Does it really? I mean yeah, he's been the leader the past two years.

But consider this list:

Year  Player (age),           Y/R Teams 
2008  Roscoe Parrish (26)    15.3 BUF 
2007  Roscoe Parrish (25)    16.3 BUF 
2006  Pacman Jones (23)      12.9 TEN 
2005  Reno Mahe (25)         12.8 PHI 
2004  Eddie Drummond (24)    13.2 DET 
2003  Dante Hall (25)        16.3 KAN 
2002  Jimmy Williams (23)    16.8 SFO 
2001  Troy Brown (30)        14.2 NWE 
2000  Jeff Ogden (25)        17.0 MIA 
1999  Charlie Rogers (23)    14.5 SEA 
1998  Deion Sanders (31)     15.6 DAL 
1997  Jermaine Lewis (23)    15.6 BAL 
1996  Amani Toomer (22)      16.6 NYG 
1995  David Palmer (23)      13.2 MIN 
1994  Brian Mitchell (26)    14.1 WAS 
1993  Tyrone Hughes (23)     13.6 NOR 
1992  Johnny Bailey (25)     13.2 PHO 
1991  Mel J. Gray (30)       15.4 DET 
1990  Clarence Verdin (27)   12.8 IND 
1989  Walter Stanley (27)    13.8 DET 
1988  John Taylor (26)       12.6 SFO 
1987  Mel J. Gray (26)       14.7 NOR 
1986  Bobby Joe Edmonds (22) 12.3 SEA 
1985  Irving Fryar (23)      14.1 NWE 
1984  Mike Martin (24)       15.7 CIN 
1983  Henry Ellard (22)      13.6 RAM 
1982  Rick Upchurch (30)     16.1 DEN 
1981  LeRoy Irvin (24)       13.4 RAM 
1980  J.T. Smith (25)        14.5 KAN 
1979  John Sciarra (25)      11.4 PHI 
1978  Rick Upchurch (26)     13.7 DEN 
1977  Billy Johnson (25)     15.4 HOU 
1976  Rick Upchurch (24)     13.7 DEN 
1975  Billy Johnson (23)     15.3 HOU 
1974  Lemar Parrish (27)     18.8 CIN 
1973  Bruce Taylor (25)      13.8 SFO 
1972  Ken Ellis (25)         15.4 GNB 
1971  Speedy Duncan (29)     10.6 WAS 
1970  Ed Podolak (23)        13.5 KAN 

Thats the list of the leaders in punt return yard average since 1970.

Notice the age of each player.

How many players do you think are 26 or below?

Well lets break this down by age:

31 - 1

30 - 3

29 - 1 (Redskin - Speedy Duncan)

28 - 0

27 - 3

26 - 5 (Redskin - Brian Mitchell)

25 - 10

24 - 4

23 - 9

22 - 3

I think the odds of him putting up another year like he has in the past are unlikely. You see that the guys who put up the big numbers are generally the guys who are fresh into the league and still performing on that rookie contract and trying to impress the coaches and GM into getting a bigger contract.

[Skinsinparadise]

I think his only use would be a PR and KR, which couldn't hurt for a 5th rounder. Still odd that the Skins are considered ideal for him, though.

If I recall they gave a 5th to the Eagles for Thrash and he basically played special teams, so similar idea here.

[RenegadeTK]

If I recall they gave a 5th to the Eagles for Thrash and he basically played special teams, so similar idea here.

but id be willing to bet that we didnt have to pay thrash what we would have to pay Roscoe

[Skinsinparadise]

but id be willing to bet that we didnt have to pay thrash what we would have to pay Roscoe

You are likely right on that

[Dah-Dee]

I think the odds of him putting up another year like he has in the past are unlikely. You see that the guys who put up the big numbers are generally the guys who are fresh into the league and still performing on that rookie contract and trying to impress the coaches and GM into getting a bigger contract.

Well, that's a valid argument; you do realize it's different than what you said before, right? No talk of age, right?

Anyway, I also see that most of those "older" (26+) leaders showed up in the last couple of decades, 9 out of the last 22, actually, which is why I guess you decided to go all the way back to 1970, pad those numbers.

The 'playing for a contract' argument doesn't necessarily wash with Parrish, either; he went out and led the league in returns last year, after he 'got paid.' That's the kind of guy I *want* on my team, somebody who doesn't let up one bit, doesn't relax after the big check hits the account. Haynesworth, are you listening?

Anyway, I get it: you don't want Parrish. Fine! I think he's worth a 5th round pick, since, historically, if you want to check out those records on the Skins (see my earlier post), odds are we'll get a clunker anyway.

Whatever.

[Laxpunk2006]

If we're going to deal for Parrish I think it should be after the draft. We've signed Dorsey and Aldridge so we might as well see what we have there before throwing a pick away on a low priority position. Sure a great returner would benefit our team but it's not an immediate need in the way some other positions are.

If Alridge or Dorsey can fill this role for us then great it didn't cost us anything. If not I think Parrish will likely still be available after the draft and we could send them a future pick to secure his services. I'm not against the trade assuming its a late pick because I think a great punt returner can change games. Buffalo has had great special teams and that has been a big part of them being competitive. I just think we should at least see what we have before hitting the panic button. Now if the coaches have already seen enough to know Dorsey/Alridge are not the answer then go ahead and pull the trigger.

[bubba9497]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/20/draft/4.html

Ten Things I Think I Think

8. I think I'm all for maximizing my draft booty, but I think the Bills are going too far in trying to deal Roscoe Parrish. He's one of the most dangerous weapons in the game, and I'd rather have four or five Parrish touches per game -- and the threat that each carries with it. Parrish is worth far more than the fourth- or fifth-round pick he'd bring back to Buffalo.

[#98QBKiller]

I don't think that the Skins would view him so much as a receiver as they would a kick/punt returner.

Oops I didn't realize he was a good punt returner.

[djbubba4life]

what about that guy from the CFL we got?

[Sebowski]

what about that guy from the CFL we got?

Or Anthony Aldridge from Denver. Shannahan said he is the fastes player he has ever seen with the ball. That guys needs to be locked to Danny Smith so he can be a returner.

[Thinking Skins]

Well, that's a valid argument; you do realize it's different than what you said before, right? No talk of age, right?

Anyway, I also see that most of those "older" (26+) leaders showed up in the last couple of decades, 9 out of the last 22, actually, which is why I guess you decided to go all the way back to 1970, pad those numbers.

Nah I went back to 1970 just because before that they were having two guys for every year and that was confusing. But its interesting what you say about the recent years.

I'm just afraid that he'd be another guy to come here and produce mediocre results. If we get him, I hope I'm wrong, but thats the way I see it.

The 'playing for a contract' argument doesn't necessarily wash with Parrish, either; he went out and led the league in returns last year, after he 'got paid.' That's the kind of guy I *want* on my team, somebody who doesn't let up one bit, doesn't relax after the big check hits the account. Haynesworth, are you listening?

Anyway, I get it: you don't want Parrish. Fine! I think he's worth a 5th round pick, since, historically, if you want to check out those records on the Skins (see my earlier post), odds are we'll get a clunker anyway.

Whatever.

Understandable.