Draft Day trades and Picks, hypothetical

[CommDownMan]

Trade #13 (1150) to the Eagles for pick #21 (800) and #53 (370)

[20 points in favor of skins, eagles get their man]

Why the Eagles do it? They seem willing to trade up to get Oher/A.Smith.

Trade #21 (800) and #80 (190) for Arizona #31 (600), #63 (276), #95 (120)

[6 points in favor of skins]

Why the Cardinals do it? Seem to like Moreno and need a replacement for the aging Edge.

Skins Resulting Picks

#31- Alex Mack, C 6'4" 312

#53- Marcus Freeman, LB 6'1" 235

#63- Phil Loadholt, T 6'8" 343

#95- Herman Johnson, G 6'7" 382

Loads up on OLine which is something I doubt the skins would do, but would you be happy with this draft? 5,6,7 for DE, CB and another LB?

[SIXX99]

How bout we just keep the pick and draft Oher/Smith ourselves.

[kingdaddy]

That's a lot of dealing. To answer your question, I don't know. Actually, the thought of taking a stud running back is starting to sound better and better to me. I think it's time to pair Portis with an explosive back, rather than a plodder like Betts. The threat of an explosive running game is what makes the passing game work. So, with the scenario you lay out here, I'd like to see a RB taken in the mix with one of those picks to kind of emulate what Tennessee did last year with Chris Johnson and Lendale White.

I think it was Dick Vermeil who did a study on RB's who were over X amount of carries in their career and how they decline after that point. Portis has taken a lot of hits and could use help. Let's take Knowshon Moreno at #21 and OL, LB, OL with the rest of the picks in the early going.

[CommDownMan]

How bout we just keep the pick and draft Oher/Smith ourselves.

Well, the skins traded back a lot last year and got 2WR and a TE last year. Because of the holes they have I could see them doing something similar again.

Oh and thanks for answering the question.

[JBarrett82]

I like the idea, but I think the eagles will have to trade with the bengals or even the raiders if they want to get a. smith. I think Oher will be there at 21 when they pick. Moreno would be questionable being around at 21 or their 2nd 1st round pick. He could go to new orleans or houston, or fall to the eagles at 21. The most likely trade scenario I could see is IF Sanchez is available at 13 and we pass on him, maybe the Jets or Bucs trade down to get him.

Kingdaddy, I like your idea of pairing an explosive back with Portis. A potent 1-2 punch has done tremendous amount of good for a number of teams and Portis has been a true workhorse the past few years.

[Gibbsisgod2006]

I wish they would trade down But instead of getting mac they could get Beatty out of uconn and then get Jarron gilbert. But I am convinced that they are going to do whatever it takes to get matt sanchez.

[AKM311]

Fair trades, but the Eagles would never trade with us unless they were getting more picks.

[SIXX99]

Well, the skins traded back a lot last year and got 2WR and a TE last year. Because of the holes they have I could see them doing something similar again.

Oh and thanks for answering the question.

Just giving my opinion . But I would be happy with those moves if we did that. Actually, as long as we don't draft Sanchez I will be happy.

[CommDownMan]

I wish they would trade down But instead of getting mac they could get Beatty out of uconn and then get Jarron gilbert. But I am convinced that they are going to do whatever it takes to get matt sanchez.

I see the draft you have in your sig and like it as well.

As mentioned in another thread, anything other than OL, DE, LB in round 1 and I will be unhappy.

[CommDownMan]

Just giving my opinion . But I would be happy with those moves if we did that. Actually, as long as we don't draft Sanchez I will be happy.

I agree that Oher or Smith would be a good pick-up (and Sanchez wouldn't). I feel like Loadholt would be solid at RT and with Mack at C the skins would have a sick running game.

I feel like the D was solid and Zorn still needs to get his O in place. The line feel apart on him and with Dock back in the mix and 3 young guys he could have a great rotation.

As mentioned I doubt it happens, but I would be happy.

[Gibbsisgod2006]

We need a QB more then we need a RB I think getting moreano over a lb, Tackle, or even sanchez would be a huge mistake.

[chaught76]

If we were to trade back with the Eagles, I would like to see us do the following:

21: Eben Britton

53: Clint Sintim or Duke Robinson

80: Tyrone McKenzie or Paul Kruger

This would be a great draft for us in my mind.

[AAARedskin]

I actually LIKE this plan. I really think the Skins SHOULD draft 2 linemen for the offense, and getting an extra pick or 2 in the first 3 or 4 rounds would be excellent.....

[Gibbsisgod2006]

I see the draft you have in your sig and like it as well.

As mentioned in another thread, anything other than OL, DE, LB in round 1 and I will be unhappy.

I would agree with you before the cutler mess took place. But now this is going to be a big problem for us. What happens if campbell has a great season do you think he signs with us? Or he has a horrible season what is the back up plan going to be? To be honest I would prefer them to draft lineman but the relationship between dan and jason seems to be doomed.

[Koolblue13]

I would like an OLB before a OT at this point, but I'm one of the few who thinks we are on the verge of a championship. It's our only real hole right now.

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Skins Resulting Picks

#31- Alex Mack, C 6'4" 312

#53- Marcus Freeman, LB 6'1" 235

#63- Phil Loadholt, T 6'8" 343

#95- Herman Johnson, G 6'7" 382

Loads up on OLine which is something I doubt the skins would do, but would you be happy with this draft? 5,6,7 for DE, CB and another LB?

As much as I like Buges I can't see him letting a rookie take on the C spot. So while Mack may be a long-term + for the team I don't see any added value for next season. Dockery will be starting LG and Randy Thomas should be improved RG after his surgery. The real question for the OL IMO is who do the Skins have as backup G and can they improve at RT. The starting RT may be drastically improved if the Skins could properly evaluate and pick a RT in the first round (possibly negating the option of trading down once and certainly twice). Can Loadhart at the bottom of second round start? If not, is he an improvement over the current Heyer? Is Johnson (382lbs??) a better backup guard than Rinehart?

[CommDownMan]

I would agree with you before the cutler mess took place. But now this is going to be a big problem for us. What happens if campbell has a great season do you think he signs with us? Or he has a horrible season what is the back up plan going to be? To be honest I would prefer them to draft lineman but the relationship between dan and jason seems to be doomed.

Personally I think they should start Jason and see how the season goes. If we draft a young QB now, Jason knows he is done...that QB will have a learning curve. If we draft a QB next year there will still be a learning curve. We have bigger holes to worry about now.

[laxmid12]

I dont like drafting a RB this year, there is no RB that has the speed to help portis, we need someone in the low 4.3s

[Gibbsisgod2006]

Personally I think they should start Jason and see how the season goes. If we draft a young QB now, Jason knows he is done...that QB will have a learning curve. If we draft a QB next year there will still be a learning curve. We have bigger holes to worry about now.

If we draft a qb I would hope that they wouldn't trade jason away. I would keep jason for the rest of the season. But it a sticky situation that danny has gotten us in.

[KevinthePRF]

Love the trades, don't see the Eagles doing it though.

If you look at the Eagles draft history, http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/TradeHistorysince95.asp , you can see they tend to trade down for more picks, not the other way around.

[CommDownMan]

As much as I like Buges I can't see him letting a rookie take on the C spot. So while Mack may be a long-term + for the team I don't see any added value for next season. Dockery will be starting LG and Randy Thomas should be improved RG after his surgery. The real question for the OL IMO is who do the Skins have as backup G and can they improve at RT. The starting RT may be drastically improved if the Skins could properly evaluate and pick a RT in the first round (possibly negating the option of trading down once and certainly twice). Can Loadhart at the bottom of second round start? If not, is he an improvement over the current Heyer? Is Johnson (382lbs??) a better backup guard than Rinehart?

Even if Mack isn't a starter he would be a great back-up and start taking more reps as the season progresses. Considering how the OL faded into the season last year it would be great in the second half next year.

Rinehart hasn't gotten good reviews to this point, so I don't know if he can back-up the G position. Johnson as back-up to both postions would also be better than last year, especially if Thomas fades as the season progresses.

Would Loadholt be an improvement over Heyer? I don't know at this point. I also don't know if Oher would be from the start.

I do know that the starting rotation right now is:

Jansen/Heyer (33/25), Thomas (33), Rabach (31), Dock (28), Samuels (31)

average age: 30.16

Loadholt (23), Johnson (24), Mack (23), Dock (28), Samuels (31)

average age: 25.8

Decide later if Loadholt stays as RT and draft Samuels replacement later. That could be the makings of a relatively cheap Oline for years.

[CommDownMan]

Love the trades, don't see the Eagles doing it though.

If you look at the Eagles draft history, http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/TradeHistorysince95.asp , you can see they tend to trade down for more picks, not the other way around.

I was basing it on this:

610 WIP's Paul Jolovitz gave the Eagles less than a 2-percent chance of keeping the 21st and 28th selections in the 2009 NFL Draft. As Emmitt would say, "Paul, I could not disagree with you, even if I wanted to."

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=285275

[Gibbsisgod2006]

Even if Mack isn't a starter he would be a great back-up and start taking more reps as the season progresses. Considering how the OL faded into the season last year it would be great in the second half next year.

Rinehart hasn't gotten good reviews to this point, so I don't know if he can back-up the G position. Johnson as back-up to both postions would also be better than last year, especially if Thomas fades as the season progresses.

Would Loadholt be an improvement over Heyer? I don't know at this point. I also don't know if Oher would be from the start.

I do know that the starting rotation right now is:

Jansen/Heyer (33/25), Thomas (33), Rabach (31), Dock (28), Samuels (31)

average age: 30.16

Loadholt (23), Johnson (24), Mack (23), Dock (28), Samuels (31)

average age: 25.8

Decide later if Loadholt stays as RT and draft Samuels replacement later. That could be the makings of a relatively cheap Oline for years.

This draft is deep with centers so getting mack early insn't a nessecity. I think Caldwell from alabama would be a good fit here and could get him in the layer rounds. Loadholt is a rt and problly won't be able to play Lt oher would be athlectic enough to play the play the lt I heard mayock sayong that he is shooting up a lot of draft boards.i like johnson a lot I think he has a lot potential andf I thin we would need a another guard as a back up.