SkinsHokieFan Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Thinking about the lack of success this decade, from Norval through SOS to Zorn not getting into the playoffs, I thought about some of the more embarrassing tactics the team used. For example, Marty's offense the first 5 weeks of 2001. Gibbs' refusal to have Brunell throw more then 10 yards down field Zorn and Spurrier forgetting to protect the QB. For me its pretty obvious. Go back to the 2002 season, when the o-line was more of a mess then it is today. The Redskins brought back in out of shape Tre Johnson Doing what only high school teams do, Spurrier thought it was genius to rotate o-lineman in the middle of a drive Running plays you would see the man who dominated Michael Strahan, Will Brown in at guard. Well its 3rd and 6, gonna pass the ball now In comes Tre Johnson SPRINTING from the sideline. Completely gassed by the time he made it to the huddle, it was obvious he was going to do nothing more then take up space and try and prevent a d-tackle from busting through and destroying one of our QB's Seeing the sack totals, I am not sure this tactic did much more then make me laugh at Tre Johnson sprinting to the huddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benskins26 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Thinking about the lack of success this decade, from Norval through SOS to Zorn not getting into the playoffs, I thought about some of the more embarrassing tactics the team used.For example, Marty's offense the first 5 weeks of 2001. Gibbs' refusal to have Brunell throw more then 10 yards down field Zorn and Spurrier forgetting to protect the QB. For me its pretty obvious. Go back to the 2002 season, when the o-line was more of a mess then it is today. The Redskins brought back in out of shape Tre Johnson Doing what only high school teams do, Spurrier thought it was genius to rotate o-lineman in the middle of a drive Running plays you would see the man who dominated Michael Strahan, Will Brown in at guard. Well its 3rd and 6, gonna pass the ball now In comes Tre Johnson SPRINTING from the sideline. Completely gassed by the time he made it to the huddle, it was obvious he was going to do nothing more then take up space and try and prevent a d-tackle from busting through and destroying one of our QB's Seeing the sack totals, I am not sure this tactic did much more then make me laugh at Tre Johnson sprinting to the huddle Jeez, so many to choose from. For me it would be either the Scott Brunell constant screen pass on 3rd down and 7. Or off that, just the predictable run, run, pass, punt we've all grown so accustomed to. Perhaps the most embarrassing moment had to have been the Gibbs 2nd timeout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Jeez, so many to choose from. For me it would be either the Scott Brunell constant screen pass on 3rd down and 7. Or off that, just the predictable run, run, pass, punt we've all grown so accustomed to. Perhaps the most embarrassing moment had to have been the Gibbs 2nd timeout. I would say the 2nd timeout was just one moment I am talking about a deliberate tactic, such as what Spurrier and Helton were doing with Tre Johnson The entire offensive game plan for the first 5 weeks of Marty ball could count. Averaged 1.5 points per game the first 2 games of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 For me it was Gibbs offense in 04 when he came back. Our defense was probably the best defense of all the years Gregg Williams was here. We just completely shut down offenses and our own offense couldnt do anything but three and out. Brunell looked like an old man and had our offense been at least middle of the pack we would have probably made it to the playoffs. Also in 06 when Gibbs refused to bench Brunell until that terrible Eagles game. Everyone in the world could see that Brunell was afraid of getting hit and would bail out and throw check downs every play. I am not trying to completely throw Gibbs under the bus here, believe me I think he brought us back to respectiblity but I think the way the offense was handled at times was awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 There are many to choose from but the one I'll settle on may not be most embarrassing but rather just a major head scratcher as a tactic. The whole "Al Saunders calls the plays until the redzone and then Joe Gibbs would take over" stuff. Still not 100 percent if it actually went down that way, but if it was true, it was just the dumbest way to run an offense that I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwpanic Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 any time it's a 4th and short situation and we march suisham onto the field instead of just going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 There are many to choose from but the one I'll settle on may not be most embarrassing but rather just a major head scratcher as a tactic.The whole "Al Saunders calls the plays until the redzone and then Joe Gibbs would take over" stuff. Still not 100 percent if it actually went down that way, but if it was true, it was just the dumbest way to run an offense that I can think of. It was definitely true. I even heard Gibbs himself say he was heavily involved in the redzone. The Sports Reporters had a field day with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I don't consider the first five weeks of Martyball to be a "tactic." The whole offense was just in the middle of a painful transition away from the Turner scheme. Jeff George started the first two games, even though his arm appeared shot and he wasn't buying on to the offense. Then we sent Tony Banks out there, a guy we'd picked up just a few weeks earlier when he was cut by Dallas during the pre-season. We just flat out sucked, tactics or no. It got better eventually as Banks got in synch, Rod Gardner came along nicely and Stephen Davis was just punishing people. I've got two embarrassing tactics: 1. After a humiliating loss, Spurrier said he called lots of pass plays because the weather was so nice. "Yeah, just a great day outside, felt like we had a great chance to pitch it around a bit." 2. Towards the end of the year, he rotated playcalling duties with the offensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I'd have to say them trotting out ARE to return punts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 So Many to choose from and its hard to choose specific instances, so... 2002-2003 - All Spurrier was bad and just stupid 2004 - The Brunell run offense was so bad... What a joke. Gibbs embarassed himself. 2006 - They had a playoff team in 2005 to a pack of losers, yet again, with no offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Gibbs calling back to back timeouts against Buffalo and giving the Bills a short FG for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 4 yard pass on 3rd and 8. Happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgraw238 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 The brief love affair with restricted free agents. You get to trade draft picks and sign free agents to big money contracts all in the same deal, what a concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveDaSkins172645 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Dan Snyder buying the team has to be first, then every year since then the Redskins have been the offseason super bowl champs. Let's add is Mr. Green 40 Green 40 then Spurrier, it's been a total clusterf@#@#$k the entire time since JCK died...... Well maybe oneday before I get too old I will see this franchise hoist another SB trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 You are picking particular plays, but I think the fact that Snyder tries to sign every big name over the course of his involvement is the biggest tactic that has hurt the team. And hey I am all for improving the team, but he is not set a good course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0mega Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 There are many to choose from but the one I'll settle on may not be most embarrassing but rather just a major head scratcher as a tactic.The whole "Al Saunders calls the plays until the redzone and then Joe Gibbs would take over" stuff. Still not 100 percent if it actually went down that way, but if it was true, it was just the dumbest way to run an offense that I can think of. Folks - We have ourselves a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I've completely blacked out pre Gibbs 2.0 in my memory, so let's not go there personally, all the times Gibbs lied to us (the media specifically) during the '06 season the lack of anyone taking public responsibility and all the constant coach speak, ugh, just got sickening after a while to the point where I stopped watching anything Redskin related but the game itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 For example, Marty's offense the first 5 weeks of 2001.Gibbs' refusal to have Brunell throw more then 10 yards down field Oh my gosh, I'd completely tucked that first half of the season of Marty-ball away in my brain. That was awful, even in preseason it was excrutiatingly embarrassing. That was probably the only time I've ever sat there during a preseason game and thought the sky was falling. There wasn't a single good thing that happenned during that time, not one. Watching those games was worse than getting a root canal. At least when you go to get a root canal you know it's going to be horrible and painful and you'll end up squirming in the seat and almost screaming at times. I had a boss that was a Cowboy fan, thank goodness he wasn't paying attention to anything (like a stereotypical Cowboy fan) and was oblivious to it all. That was the low-point of my football fandom. I seriously thought about giving up watching football for a few years (cause I thought Marty was going to be here long term 5 year 25 million) which meant his son would be the OC here for a long time because it was obvious he was completely devoid of talent as an NFL coach. I may need some counceling on that one. Watching Brunell play QB in Al Saunders first season was just frustrating. I don't remember embarrassment, just pure lava hot rage. I think I went through 3 or 4 remotes before Campbell was put in as the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 1. After a humiliating loss, Spurrier said he called lots of pass plays because the weather was so nice."Yeah, just a great day outside, felt like we had a great chance to pitch it around a bit." That was against Jacksonville - when we threw over 60 times despite Davis having a good start to the game. The most embarassing tactic had to be the switching of play calling in 2007 but probably Gibbs not benching Brunell earlier when he was unhealthy in 2004 and when he was ineffective in 2006. On defense, I don't know if it counts as a tactic: But starting Warrick Holdman aka Highway 57 at linebacker when LaVar was healthy for most of 2005. That was ridiculous. Holdman was culpable on both of Tatum Bell's long TD runs in Denver, the Holmes screen play in KC, etc. He was pure suckage. And the worst part is he got to start again after LaVar left and was even worse. I know McIntosh was a rookie, but holy crap how could he have been much worse than Holdman? Another reason I remain ambivalent about Gregg Williams' potential as a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeThreeKingsRuleU Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 the fun and gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 danny and vinny the way they run this circus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchip703 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 danny and vinny the way they run this circus Winner Winner, Chicken dinner. They continue to make just mind boggling moves sometimes (or in some cases, thank god, moves that don't happen (Jay Cutler, Ocho Cinco) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I think the most embarassed I've been as a 'Skins fan was Spurrier's monday night debacle against the Eagles. The lips game All that hype about Spurrier and his 4-0 preseason record, his 1-0 start, his juggernaut offense, etc. etc.... and the Eagles just came into our house and *****-slapped us in front of the entire nation. Spurrier was completely lost. He didn't know what to do or who to do it with. Not sure that's a tactic though- more of a moment. As far as 'tactic', I'd say signing Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders was pretty embarassing. As for Marty's offense in the first 5 weeks of 2001, I thought it was good. I thought the execution was awful though. But when the team caught on, it became what, in my opinion, was a thing of beauty. Lull them to sleep and then kick them in the nuts when they're not looking. I thought Raye was extremely under-rated. It wasn't his fault that the team hated Schotty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I think the front office tactic of cultivating the Washington Post as a sworn enemy has been pretty embarrassing. Both sides share some of the blame for the fiasco, but in my mind Snyder and Cerrato come out looking petty and ultra-thin skinned in their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I think the front office tactic of cultivating the Washington Post as a sworn enemy has been pretty embarrassing. Both sides share some of the blame for the fiasco, but in my mind Snyder and Cerrato come out looking petty and ultra-thin skinned in their actions. Well none of the rift existed when Maske was covering the team. I'm not much of a Snyder apologist (understatement, lol), but I think the team is correct on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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