Heisenberg Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 ....... providing cheap labor lowering the cost of products and services giving more value to the dollar. I'll bet GoSkins would be pretty quick to complain that his carton of orange juice went up to $15 after his Minutemen had their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Are the majority of them here legally? Nobody's even asking the question. Which is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Nobody's even asking the question. Which is my point. Not to mention that there are plenty of hispanic workers that ARE here legally that certain people assume must be illegally just because of stereotyping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 You do realize that a certain amount of these workers are necessary in our economy, right? Why? why can't American employers pay a fair wage to people that live here or come here legally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor4Life Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 But, they're the right color and their women are hot... IMO, latin women are hotter than Ruskies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 IMO, latin women are hotter than Ruskies... Latin, I'd agree. Mexican, not so much. South American / Cuban women are amazing though. I love visiting Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Why? why can't American employers pay a fair wage to people that live here or come here legally? I'm not going to go into detail because I don't feel I have the time - but if zoony's earlier post about construction doesn't provide evidence I'm pretty confident there will be no convincing you. However, I can assure you if you were to take all of the immigrant workers out of the workforce the American economy would be crippled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 .........that they ship back to their homeland hurting our economy in return, all while living on our land collecting the benefits that only our citizens and legal visitors / immigrants should be allowed to take advantage of. That could all be solved by giving these people a legal option. But folks like the minutemen are against that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 ....... providing cheap labor lowering the cost of products and services giving more value to the dollar. Wrong, after we provide health care and education the cost of those goods are actually more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Latin, I'd agree. Mexican, not so much. South American / Cuban women are amazing though. I love visiting Miami This become a women thread? How about Middle Eastern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I know for a fact that there is no way in hell the Gulf Coast gets rebuilt for anywhere near 1/10th the cost or in 1/2 the time without this labor.I did landscaping in college. Paid $7.50/ hour... which in 1995 was a ****LOAD of money to be making. With all the hours I could want. The owner couldn't find help anywhere. Nobody wanted to work. Even at his inflated wages. I was the only person that worked there (besides the foremen) for longer than a few weeks. It was grueling work out in the heat that required some degree of fortitude and stamina. Nobody wanted to do it. I'm convinced he could have paid $10/hour with a similar result. Nowadays, try and find one landscaper anywhere in the country who ISN'T Mexican. There's a reason for it. Nobody else wants it. Period, end of subject. ......... hey, I'm a landscaper, well during the summer anyway, and I only get paid $8 an hour, which in 2009 isn't jack **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Wrong, after we provide health care and education the cost of those goods are actually more expensive. And if we bothered to reform our immigration laws so illegal immigration weren't the only way in, they'd be able to come in legally and pay taxes and social security. But instead, they are forced to go the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 I'll bet GoSkins would be pretty quick to complain that his carton of orange juice went up to $15 after his Minutemen had their way. So you support modern day slavery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 hey, I'm a landscaper, well during the summer anyway, and I only get paid $8 an hour, which in 2009 isn't jack **** already posted in this thread, I think, but still a good placement for it: They terk 'r jrrbs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 deyterkmarjerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 So you support modern day slavery? Not sure how you got that from what I said. What I do support is immigration reform - which is something your beloved "Minutemen" don't agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 hey, I'm a landscaper, well during the summer anyway, and I only get paid $8 an hour, which in 2009 isn't jack **** How is that even possible? I thought dukerderdoooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Lou Dobbs, is that you? That seriously sounds like a transcript from one of his rants. just because you consider it a "rant" doesn't mean it isn't true. Lou Dobbs is the only media head that I know of that actually brings attention to the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 just because you consider it a "rant" doesn't mean it isn't true. Lou Dobbs is the only media head that I know of that actually brings attention to the problem FOX news doesn't talk about immigration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 just because you consider it a "rant" doesn't mean it isn't true. Lou Dobbs is the only media head that I know of that actually brings attention to the problem According to Lou Dobbs - it's the ONLY problem, or somehow the cause of every problem in the world. Economy - focus on illegals Police shooting in Pittsburgh - focus on illegals Oil prices - illegals Election results - illegals It's hilarious if you watch his show and realize that it gets brought up in virtually every discussion regardless of the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 It's always funny how nobody gets pissed over the Russians and Eastern Europeans that are taking over. Many tourist towns are staffed almost exclusively with Russians during peak months.But, they're the right color and their women are hot. So, no big deal. Ditto Canadian snowbirds who spend so much time here. .... no one gets pissed because there's absolutely no comparison to be made between the numbers of Latin Americans and the number of eastern Europeans this country takes in. and last time I checked we don't share a border with eastern Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Prosperity;6313362 ]hey' date=' I'm a landscaper, well during the summer anyway, and I only get paid $8 an hour, which in 2009 isn't jack ****[/quote'] I was going to say, I landscaped and framed houses while I was in college for $8.00 an hour. With the economy the way it is, those jobs might look a hell of a lot better than flipping burgers at McD's for college kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 FOX news doesn't talk about immigration? I wouldn't know, I never watch that crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 just because you consider it a "rant" doesn't mean it isn't true. Lou Dobbs is the only media head that I know of that actually brings attention to the problem Lou Dobbs is a demagogue who rants and raves with a head full or steam and a mouth full of piss and vinegar simply to get viewership (i.e., a media whore). He doesn't even cloak himself in a petina of objectivity; he rants and raves, works himself up into a tizzy, and doesn't present two or more sides of any given story. Honestly, how many times have you heard him say, "Boy, if these idiots in Washington....." or "It is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS that...."? He appeals to base emotion, anger and resentment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 According to Lou Dobbs - it's the ONLY problem, or somehow the cause of every problem in the world.Economy - focus on illegals Police shooting in Pittsburgh - focus on illegals Oil prices - illegals Election results - illegals It's hilarious if you watch his show and realize that it gets brought up in virtually every discussion regardless of the topic. you're right, he does go a bit overboard. I've noticed that a lot lately since the issue died off (until Obama recently reignited the amnesty push). regardless if he's a bit over the top, the point is atleast someone in major media isn't scared to cover it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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