Interesting comment on NFLN(skins related)

[JVSkins n Hokies]

Only if we trade back.

[AKM311]

as long as we can look at the problem area *cough* qb *cough*

Seriously, get over it. This does not need to be discussed in this thread or every other thread.

[AKM311]

];6303204']Projections like that are very hard to make.

A draft pick will be succesful if he goes to a team built for him' date=' and if he's surrounded by enough talent to maximize his potential.

Who knew Jerod Meyo and Chris Horton would be so succesful? And that Vernon Gholston would be so pitiful?[/quote']

Agreed with the first two lines.

But in defense for Mayock, if I call correctly, he did say Golston had a high bust rate before the draft. He said it was pure athleticism with no technique in college. In the NFL pure athleticism doesn't work.

He is usually pretty good with scouting players correctly.

[Dick Edds]

A couple of other things that were a bit troublesome to me about Ayers as far as his combine and pro day numbers. He is 6'3, 272 lbs and only put up 18 reps in the bench press? That is seemingly pretty weak upper body strength for a guy his size.

I would argue that means that he has not reached his ceiling physically, and with a pro-type conditioning regimen, he can contnue to get bigger and stronger.

I don't like him at #13 (of course I want OL) ... but with a trade back if he is the BPA I wouldn't be upset at all.

[Dirty#30]

I watched him for 4 years in High School and he was a beast then.

Well....you're just a stalker now aren't you!!!!:doh:

[bobzmuda]

A couple of other things that were a bit troublesome to me about Ayers as far as his combine and pro day numbers. He is 6'3, 272 lbs and only put up 18 reps in the bench press? That is seemingly pretty weak upper body strength for a guy his size. He also had a 29 inch vertical and only had a 8 foot 6 inch broad jump, which is relatively poor. I mention these because both the vertical and broad jump show lower body explosion and strength. Watching him, the guy is tenacious but doesn't have an elite first step like Maybin (and I doubt that the fact that he had a 40.5 inch vertical and a 10 foot 10 inch broad jump as well is a coincidence), explosion like Maybin and Brown, or a wide array of pass rush moves like Brown.

To be fair, Maybin and Brown aren't true DEs. They're 3-4 OLBs.

Monroe and Jason Smith will be gone. My preference at 13 is Andre Smith, Robert Ayers, then Eben Britton. I've soured on Oher.

I know everyone says that Britton is a second rounder, but there will be a run on tackles in the first round, just like last year and the year before. I'm thinking at least 5, and maybe 6 tackles will go in Round 1.

[DGREENHULK]

Mayock has had a man crush on Ayers for a while now. From what I've seen he is good, but I never really saw anything special about him. Not much production wise either. I think he would be a reach at 13, but if we traded down I wouldn't be upset if the got him, though I'd rather grab Britton instead if we do so.

Good thoughts here. Ayers blew Mayock and a lot of others out of the water at the Senior Bowl. I watched a lot of that coverege on the NFL network Ayers was unblockable that week and had a good game...other than that not sure if he a "quality" 13th overall pick. Britton would be a nice fit at RT

[gatorskin77]

I'm sorry but I watch a lot of tenn. games and there wasn't one player on that pathetic excuse for a football team last year that should even be drafted in the first 2 rounds the guy did nothing special in actual games. he started working hard at senior bowl practice when money became a factor thanks but no thanks

[StillUnknown]

his lack of production is a worry

for someone who's supposedly as talented as some analysts have hyped him up, i would expect his numbers to be better than they are. 33 tackles & 3 sacks are not exactly impressive statistics.

i realize the numbers aren't everything, but still he should've been able to get more than he did to be ranked this high

[tml6157]

Taking Ayers at all would be a huge joke. The guy did NOTHING at Tennessee. He had a good senior bowl week and now he is a top 15 talent? No way! Where was his hype before the senior bowl? There was none because he is not that good. 9 sacks in 4 years. 3 his senior season. And to say he is the best fit for a 4-3 DE is a laugh. Ayers is 272 but English is 275. English was 10 times more productive. 9 career sacks for Ayers compared to over 50 for English. 16, 17 and 16 in his last 3 years. The dude is a beast. Not a senior bowl wonder.

[elkabong82]

If we trade down, I have no problem getting Ayers or English or even M. Johnson for LDE. As far as LDEs in a 4-3 system go, these guys are the best early on (after Orakpo).

[gortiz]

vinny?

Taking a d-linemen in the first round?

Gold, jerry, gold!

roundtine

[BuryYourDuke]

All this draft a DL in the first round is kooky talk. We got Haynesworth, we might need help at DE and LB...but not in the first round. We need a right tackle worse...we need a QB worse (I know I know), and we need a RB worse. I am never a proponent of first round RB's...so that leaves right tackle, or Sanchez if he is on the board.

[tml6157]

All this draft a DL in the first round is kooky talk. We got Haynesworth, we might need help at DE and LB...but not in the first round. We need a right tackle worse...we need a QB worse (I know I know), and we need a RB worse. I am never a proponent of first round RB's...so that leaves right tackle, or Sanchez if he is on the board.

How do we not need first round DE help? This team need a dominant DT to command double teams to free up our DE's. We got that. Now we went and released one of our starting DEs and now we are looking at an undersized Carter, a coming off of a big injury 35 year old Daniels and a 38 year old washed up Wynn. Haynesworth will not be helping out anyone when our DEs are that weak.

[Big Mac Patty Wack]

Mayock's had a jones for him since the combine.

coming from a Vol fan.

He was good at Tennessee, (on a very good defense) if we trade back,.... maybe

Well, he would be on a very good D with Albert Haynesworth next to him.

[martytheman]

Seriously, get over it. This does not need to be discussed in this thread or every other thread.

Yeah you're right. Like it also hasn't been mentioned in a million other threads that said JC doesn't suck, it's all the o-line's fault.

[mistertim]

To be fair, Maybin and Brown aren't true DEs. They're 3-4 OLBs.

Monroe and Jason Smith will be gone. My preference at 13 is Andre Smith, Robert Ayers, then Eben Britton. I've soured on Oher.

I know everyone says that Britton is a second rounder, but there will be a run on tackles in the first round, just like last year and the year before. I'm thinking at least 5, and maybe 6 tackles will go in Round 1.

Brown is a 4-3 DE. Not sure how much Maybin played from a two point stance vs three point, but if you watched Brown he was pretty much a pure hand in the dirt guy. Just because Brown is not 275 lbs doesn't mean he can't play DE in the NFL or is automatically a 3-4 OLB, especially if he puts on a few more lbs of muscle (he is 256 right now). The guy is explosive out of his stance, has lots of moves, and is strong as an ox (threw up 29 reps of 225 lbs during his pro day...the 273 lb Ayers on ly put up 18) so he has the strength to hold the point of attack.

Monroe and J Smith will be long gone. Andre Smith with likely be gone, though he will go lower than he was projected before he screwed up his combine, etc. Ayers is a huge reach at 13, as is Britton. Just because we need a RT doesn't mean we should take a guy at 13 who is projected as a late 1st or early 2nd rounder. Oher is a risk but has tons of upside. Who knows what the Skins think of him.

[#98QBKiller]

Found this on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAR9Qb3liRs

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

It's not a bad comparison [Tuck], it depends on what your looking for, I still think Everett Brown is the best football player amongst defensive ends, I think he rushes the passer as good or better than Orakpo, with more football instinkt the Orakpo, Maybin has physical ability but doesn't look like much of a player [no instinkt] overall Ayers may be the best but that is not factoring in Browns ability to get a little bigger and stronger over the long haul as well.

If Brown could play OLB he'd be a great fit for us, but we just have to many holes on the O-line, tough call.

[littleskins]

I like Orakpo, but looking at film on Ayers I believe he fits our system better. Lets take a page out of the steelers book and draft the person that fit in with us... Do anyone think that Michael Johnson will last til the 3rd round?

After all that we should get A. Smith no matter whose on the board, if he's still there.

[Est.1974]

Enough project-ions ... at 13 you must grab a sure thing BPA. In this ... the worst (weakest) Draft in years ...its either Sanchez or Moreno ... stop playing amateur Kiper-ite!

If we remain at #13, BPA is probably what happens.

Thomas, Davis & Kelly were all deemed BPA by Vinny last year, and that was in the second round. Whether you agree or not, thats the basis on how he claimed they picked.

At #13, I now tend to agree that the above will happen.

[Going Commando]

I just watched the video and Mayock said that Ayers has a strong future at playing RE or as a rush linebacker in a 3-4. Would he be able to play LE for us? He's 6'3" 270 which is good but not spectacular size.

Justin Tuck plays LE i think, so if he is drawing favorable comparisons to him, then I would be alright with this pick. But he didn't do a ton in college and I would like to see someone brought in to play RT.

[nemocystem]

What do we do if we draft DE in the 1st?

I thought our problem last year was scoring points and that was related to the OL....

yes & no. certainly, our Offense was a problem. it was not the only problem.

while our D can stop people. it failed to make many big impact plays. anything from sacks, to consistent pressure on the QB which usually translates to INT's & Fumbles Recovered, which in-turn leads to easier points. more to that point, our FG kicking ineptitude probably cost us 2, maybe 3 games.

so...i don't fully buy into the absolute "for the sake of the franchise & all of humanity"-esque need to improve our OL. though it could certainly use some improvement.

i'd take a stud DE if i believed there would be one available at our pick. moving back, if we don't get hosed, is the safest bet. but...we'll likely get hosed. so...i say BPA, which for us either translates to Sanchez or Maualuga.

just my 2 cents

[illone]

The Gmen or Eagles will probably pick him up.

:doh:

[Braxford]

Ayers shows a lot of potential but there is no way the Skins even sniff the playoffs without an upgraded OLine next year. And IMO that means drafting a starting this year caliber OT or G at 13 or moving back for more OLine picks.