SIXX99 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I don't know if this has already been discussed in another thread and if so please close this down. If Joe Gibbs would have stayed around last season for the final year of his contract, how would the Redskins season have been different? I think that Gibbs last season would have been very similar to how this year actually went. The run game and defence were our strengths as they have been for years now. Both seasons would have the offence becoming stagnent and unproductive. But I think that Gibbs would have rallied this team and because of how weak the NFC was we would have made the playoffs and our record would have been maybe 10-6. Thoughts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimee Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 One thing is for sure....I sure missed Gibbs December W/L record! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 One thing is for sure....I sure missed Gibbs December W/L record! Heck yes, Gibbs turned it on in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Our draft would have been completely different and so would the rest of the offseason. We would've been 12-4 or 13-3. Gibbs was an unbelievably underrated coach from 2004-2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 Our draft would have been completely different and so would the rest of the offseason.We would've been 12-4 or 13-3. Gibbs was an unbelievably underrated coach from 2004-2007. Gibbs had an excellent eye for talent he brought in really, really good player during his time back. His drafts were all really good IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Who knows? Collins would have been the starter, that's for sure. John Keim has even reported that Gibbs had started to lose faith in Campbell even before he got hurt. IMO, Gibbs knew the game had pretty much passed him in the X and O department. During the week he was great and he clearly had the respect of the players, but on gameday, he was often a disaster. When Collins went in, Gibbs basically turned off his headset and the season turned around. And I suspect that's one of the reasons he retired. Because he knew as a coach his best days were far behind him. He didn't want to just "enjoy the show" on gameday. He wanted to be involved with the offense. But he was big enough of a man to realize he was often hurting more than helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvtbred Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Who knows? Collins would have been the starter, that's for sure. John Keim has even reported that Gibbs had started to lose faith in Campbell even before he got hurt.IMO, Gibbs knew the game had pretty much passed him in the X and O department. During the week he was great and he clearly had the respect of the players, but on gameday, he was often a disaster. When Collins went in, Gibbs basically turned off his headset and the season turned around. And I suspect that's one of the reasons he retired. Because he knew as a coach his best days were far behind him. He didn't want to just "enjoy the show" on gameday. He wanted to be involved with the offense. But he was big enough of a man to realize he was often hurting more than helping. Thinking exactly the same thing and it would have been someone else behind center for sure with a record of at least 10-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Depends. Would he have kept that saunders mess or gone back to his bread and butter? If hes going back to the Air Coryell, I think we would have not have started as hot. But come December we would have been rolling. Hard to say how Samuels's injury would affect it, but I think back to the last time we were good in the RZ: Gibbs was calling plays from his playbook with Brunell. I have to think we would score more there. Im calling more than 8 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Who knows? Collins would have been the starter, that's for sure. John Keim has even reported that Gibbs had started to lose faith in Campbell even before he got hurt.IMO, Gibbs knew the game had pretty much passed him in the X and O department. During the week he was great and he clearly had the respect of the players, but on gameday, he was often a disaster. When Collins went in, Gibbs basically turned off his headset and the season turned around. And I suspect that's one of the reasons he retired. Because he knew as a coach his best days were far behind him. He didn't want to just "enjoy the show" on gameday. He wanted to be involved with the offense. But he was big enough of a man to realize he was often hurting more than helping. I don't think that I've ever disagreed with EVERY point in a post before. Campbell would've stayed. I wouldn't believe that report for a second. First, Gibbs never talks about ANYTHING with ANYONE that's negative. Second, we brought in Zorn to work with Campbell. The game passed Gibbs by? With all of the calls that he made, all of the things that we did under him, I just don't know how you can say that. He turned the headset off? Huh? I just don't see how you can say any of this, Hoops. He took a **** team and made it a playoff winner and a two-time entrant. He stocked our team with players who define the Redskins as much as they did in 1991. He never, ever hurt us except when he brought in Saunders. He left because of his grandson and because of Sean. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I think overall the record would have been very similar but more consistent throughout the year. I don't see us starting 6-2 or ending 2-6. Maybe 3-5 and 5-3 or vice versa. Zorn was able to put some games away early with a few risky calls like throwing on third down rather than just running and keeping the clock going. Gibbs most likely would have chosen the latter which we didn't have a lot of success with. Gibbs also historically had a much better December record and did a better job of beating the teams we should. I don't think the St. Louis and Cincinnati games would have played out like they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Our draft would have been completely different and so would the rest of the offseason. This is a huge point which I can't believe has not been touched on yet. We might have traded down but no way we pick three offensive players in the second round, no way in hell. Good point Gibbs was an unbelievably underrated coach from 2004-2007. I don't agree with this Gibbs had an excellent eye for talent he brought in really, really good player during his time back. His drafts were all really good IMO. Are you serious or joking? Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd were brought in when Gibbs was here and they just made the top 10 worst FA signings in league history list. Do you remember giving up picks for Mark Brunell because Gibbs liked his religious views? Remember the disaster that Gibbs brought here when we traded picks for TJ Duckett? Remember giving away picks for Campbell and Rocky McIntosh? You've reached a new height on getting things wrong. The worst part of Gibbs 2.0 was how bad he was scouting players either in the draft or FA and how loose he was with draft picks. Today we have the oldest Offensive Line in the NFL and its directly resulting from Gibbs forgetting how important the Oline is and from him giving away draft picks for free. We are still today feeling many affects from Gibbs terrible scouting and personnal moves. It was for this reason I was happy when he retired. Who knows? Collins would have been the starter, that's for sure. John Keim has even reported that Gibbs had started to lose faith in Campbell even before he got hurt.IMO, Gibbs knew the game had pretty much passed him in the X and O department. During the week he was great and he clearly had the respect of the players, but on gameday, he was often a disaster. When Collins went in, Gibbs basically turned off his headset and the season turned around. And I suspect that's one of the reasons he retired. Because he knew as a coach his best days were far behind him. He didn't want to just "enjoy the show" on gameday. He wanted to be involved with the offense. But he was big enough of a man to realize he was often hurting more than helping. This is the best post on the topic. Not that I believe 100% that your right about Collins starting, but because I believe that your right as to why he left when he did. Gibbs knew the NFL passed him by and couldn't compete today. My own feeling is we would have been no better then 10-6 and would have exited the playoffs quickly losing to a better team with a better coach. Sorry but Gibbs 2.0 was a failure in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 He took a **** team and made it a playoff winner and a two-time entrant. He stocked our team with players who define the Redskins as much as they did in 1991. He never, ever hurt us except when he brought in Saunders. He left because of his grandson and because of Sean. That's it. Before we give too much credit to Gibbs for the 2007 run.......does it happen if Campbell doesn't go down in the Bears game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFGA Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 What would have happened if Gibbs was still coach? We wouldn't have drafted 3 receivers in the 2nd round.... There would be no "Cult of Colt"..... We probably would have been at the upper end of our mediocrity range (9-7, 10-6). I think we'll never get above 10-6 and never get below 5-11 while Snyder is owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I think we'll never get above 10-6 and never get below 5-11 while Snyder is owner. This season we're gonna be 4-12 under Zorn, Snyder will fire him and bring back Gibbs again, and in 2010 we're going to go 11-5 with our new QB......Kurt Warner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Are you serious or joking? Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd were brought in when Gibbs was here and they just made the top 10 worst FA signings in league history list. Do you remember giving up picks for Mark Brunell because Gibbs liked his religious views? Remember the disaster that Gibbs brought here when we traded picks for TJ Duckett? Remember giving away picks for Campbell and Rocky McIntosh? You've reached a new height on getting things wrong. Yeah Lloyd and Archuletta were some of the low lights but Gibbs brought in Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, London Fletcher, Carlos Rogers, LaRon Landry, Clinton Portis, and Santana Moss to name a few. So lets think before we say things from now on you ignorant jack***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Addicted, really? You pick Lloyd and Arch out of the dozen of players that he brought in instead? Jesus. Your parents must've spanked you for your 98 on your math test! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Yeah Lloyd and Archuletta were some of the low lights but Gibbs brought in Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, London Fletcher, Carlos Rogers, LaRon Landry, Clinton Portis, and Santana Moss to name a few. So lets think before we say things from now on you ignorant jackass. Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Carlos were top 10 picks....you ought to do well in that area. We gave up too much for Portis. Bringing in Santana without true number 1 receiver didn't do us much. Don't forget pairing him with Randel El. Chris Cooley was probably Gibbs one and only fine moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I guess my question is: if Gibbs was so underrated, why did we have two spectacularly losing season in 2004 and 2006 and needed December runs to make the playoffs in the other seasons (one of which was in good part due to a QB change due to injury). Bringing Gbiis back certainly lifted the spirits of the fans, but the net result was not one that gained any long-tem benefit for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Carlos were top 10 picks....you ought to do well in that area.We gave up too much for Portis. Bringing in Santana without true number 1 receiver didn't do us much. Don't forget pairing him with Randel El. Chris Cooley was probably Gibbs one and only fine moment. 1. How many top 10 busts do you see each year. Over half of the top 10 picks don't pan out and we have 2 great picks (I'm still up in the air about Los) 2. Do you really think that we would have won more games with Champ instead of Clinton? 3. Moss is a #1 reciever and I will give you that El hasn't really panned out. 4. Cooley was one of many fine moments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatito Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Yeah Lloyd and Archuletta were some of the low lights but Gibbs brought in Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, London Fletcher, Carlos Rogers, LaRon Landry, Clinton Portis, and Santana Moss to name a few. So lets think before we say things from now on you ignorant jackass. Right and we pissed off Champ Bailey.... I would rather have Bailey and those picks then Portis and I love Portis. Chris Cooley is a winner. Rodgers has had one good year and it took 4 to get there.... Landry is yet to play his best ball. Moss has had one good year. He can either get the screen or he disappears........ Fletcher was not Gibbbs it was all Williams...... Rams and Bills. But lets look at other picks.... I always like to go back to the pick that drove Beathard West....... Does the name Desmond Howard... mean anything to you.... the clash over this pick drove Beathard west to the Chargers where he went to a SuperBowl...... Now lets look at Lyold, Archdelux and I put Randle El (Too much money for a gimmick guy). JC is his guy and he is not taking anyone anywhere..... Gibbs is the one who gave up tons of picks for JC. He brought in Brunell...and played him toooooooo long. Remember TJ Duckett? Please Gibbs was a great coach but Bill Parcells in the GM department he is not..... he was never a shop for the groceries kind of guy.... Casserly, Beathard and their staff made those teams of old........ Gibbs should have gotten a GM... he was always at his best when he was a you go get them and I'll coach them up kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Before we give too much credit to Gibbs for the 2007 run.......does it happen if Campbell doesn't go down in the Bears game? Not a chance, we were about to let that Bears game slip by. I can only imagine that if Gibbs stays, so does Saunders, as things had started to appear much brighter on offense (what genius called it a "mess?" Yeah, I hate elite offenses!) and Collins either would start or somehow Campbell would be a little more comfortable and could run some shotgun and go downfield(intermediate) a bit more and maybe we have real success. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I doubt the season would have been much different. Gibbs 2.0 was a below .500 coach and likely would have hovered in that area again. The only reason that perhaps it might have been another 9-7 season instead of 8-8 would have been because Gregg Williams would have stayed as defensive coordinator and he is a much better coordinator than Greg Blache, who I really don't think much of. Offensively I just don't see where things would have gotten better. The Oline was still old and had questionable talent at center and right tackle, thus it would likely have let the team down again anyway. Anyone who suggests that Todd Collins, for an entire year, would have led this team to a better record is just delusional. Collins fell apart when the oline crumbled in Seattle, I wonder what he would have done during the second half of last season as the oline crumbled. It would not have been pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I think overall the record would have been very similar but more consistent throughout the year. I don't see us starting 6-2 or ending 2-6. Maybe 3-5 and 5-3 or vice versa.Zorn was able to put some games away early with a few risky calls like throwing on third down rather than just running and keeping the clock going. Gibbs most likely would have chosen the latter which we didn't have a lot of success with. Gibbs also historically had a much better December record and did a better job of beating the teams we should. I don't think the St. Louis and Cincinnati games would have played out like they did. What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 7-9. Gibbs would've kept to form in his second stint. No playoffs in even years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidSnake84 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 The biggest thing, as others have pointed out, is that there would be a different QB behind Center. It would most likely be Todd Collins. Todd's presence and skill set alone would be enough to win at least 1 or 2 more games, so We'd finish 9-7 or 10-6.. Gibbs had the players respect. I dont know if i can say the same thing about Zorn. Clinton Portis told Jim Zorn last season to "Get the F out of my face", and nothing was done about it. If that had been Joe Gibbs, Portis would be out of the game and probably off the team for the rest of the season. Yes, having Gibbs, even Gibbs 2.0 around December would have really helped us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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