Slow day thread: How different would the last 10 years be with John Kent Cooke?

[SkinsHokieFan]

The stadium would not be called FedEx Field and would still have around 78000 seats (which would not be a bad thing).

I think the 1999 season would still have happened if Snyder had not taken over.

Casserly would have survived much longer, which could have led to mediocre results.

I think another question should be: What if Milstein took over this franchise instead of Snyder?

Milstein owns the New York Islanders right? In that case, no thanks

I think the team was actually on the verge of really turning it around and becoming something special during that 1999-2000 time period. All the elements were there

I agree on the stadium being 78-80k. That would be a good thing IMO. I don't know how long JKC jr would have gone on with JCK stadium. Probably would have had some sponsorship deal like "FedEx Field AT JKC Stadium"

[jimster]

You think we'd have less then 3 winning seasons the last decade?

I do ...and yearly picking top five.

[jflow78]

We'd probably still have Norv Turner as coach. Casserly would still be our GM. No offense, but the period after 92 wasn't exactly promising. I was mad that the team was sold at the time, but I'm not big on "what might have been".

I don't think we'd be running after all these free agents, but we did a little of that before Snyder got here, and the results were usually about average, with exception of our one playoff run.

Who knows man, maybe we would have added to that trophy case already, but I doubt it.

[jflow78]

I do ...and yearly picking top five.

Me too.

[bikie]

is an interesting question and I think the philosophy of Cooke would have served the skins MUCH MUCH better than synder's.... synder, to me, is the WORST type of owner and that is the active, intrusive owner... take a look at the raiders, the cowboys, the bengals and the skins, they all have owners who make the majority of the FO decisions and the state of their franchises speaks for itself...

[The Full Monty]

We'd probably still have Norv Turner as coach. Casserly would still be our GM. No offense, but the period after 92 wasn't exactly promising. I was mad that the team was sold at the time, but I'm not big on "what might have been".

Norv Turner, paired with a great GM in AJ Smith in San Diego, has gotten to an AFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game.

A quality GM makes all the difference. If John Cooke had hired a good or bad GM after hopefully firing Casserly, it's a whole different history.

[jimster]

Norv Turner, paired with a great GM in AJ Smith in San Diego, has gotten to an AFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game.

A quality GM makes all the difference. If John Cooke had hired a good or bad GM after hopefully firing Casserly, it's a whole different history.

you need a coach AND GM that can work with each other. Norv took over an already built team and has struggled considerably, seeing as how weak that division is.

in '89 San Diego hired Bobby Beathard, gave him full control. He hired his own coaches, drafted and traded for his own players. It was his team.

- Bobby Beathard in San Diego in 11 seasons had 5 different head coaches, 3 winning seasons and a winning percentage of .426

Since Snyder has owned the team in 10 seasons, we have had 5 different head coaches, 3 winning seasons and a winning percentage of .475 :whoknows:

[RedskinFeathers]

What he would have been like as an owner completely up in the air, but chances are good he would have been better then Danny. Cooke at least had the sense to let football people make the football decisions.

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Another interesting what if question to think about...

What if Marty was still the coach 8 years later. My guess would be that he would have racked up 4 or 5 playoff seasons over that time frame.

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But, lets be serious, people would still find plenty of things to ***** at JKC Jr for.

This thread makes me wonder: how would the last 13 seasons be different if we were still at RFK?

[paintrain]

Another interesting what if question to think about...

What if Marty was still the coach 8 years later. My guess would be that he would have racked up 4 or 5 playoff seasons over that time frame.

As an organization I'm SURE we'd be much better off than we were after 4 years of Gibbs running things.

[The Full Monty]

you need a coach AND GM that can work with each other. Norv took over an already built team and has struggled considerably, seeing as how weak that division is.

in '89 San Diego hired Bobby Beathard, gave him full control. He hired his own coaches, drafted and traded for his own players. It was his team.

- Bobby Beathard in San Diego in 11 seasons had 5 different head coaches, 3 winning seasons and a winning percentage of .426

Since Snyder has owned the team in 10 seasons, we have had 5 different head coaches, 3 winning seasons and a winning percentage of .475 :whoknows:

Great points as always, Jimster. I brought up Norv only to demonstrate that even a mediocre coach can get pretty far if he has a solid GM supporting him.

Now, if you have a great coach like Gibbs 1.0 and Beathard, well, you have dynasties.

Snyder has Zorn and Cerrato in place - I hope they're the answer but I won't hold my breath. :logo:

[paintrain]

Norv Turner, paired with a great GM in AJ Smith in San Diego, has gotten to an AFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game.

A quality GM makes all the difference. If John Cooke had hired a good or bad GM after hopefully firing Casserly, it's a whole different history.

He also took over a team with (at the time) had the best RB in the game, the best TE in the game, one of-if not the best pass rushing OLB in the game and a top 15 QB and proceeded to lose 3 more regular season games than the previous year. Norv is just holding on to that job, don't be fooled, he's not made them any better than when he took over.

[Oldskool]

Norv Turner, paired with a great GM in AJ Smith in San Diego, has gotten to an AFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game.

A quality GM makes all the difference. If John Cooke had hired a good or bad GM after hopefully firing Casserly, it's a whole different history.

He inherited Marty's team and has subsequently had a WORSE record each year than his predecessor. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of either the man that ran Schotty out of SD or the milksop that replaced him.

[thedevilhimself]

He inherited Marty's team and has subsequently had a WORSE record each year than his predecessor. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of either the man that ran Schotty out of SD or the milksop that replaced him.

I am thinking you are mistaken . Norv inherited A J Smiths team . Martys team was that 8-8 then 4-12 . Smith took over the day to day running of the admin part of the team .

I think if Junior was in charge I can see we would be just the same as if not worse but we might not have had ES and the team would have had no money .

[pjfootballer]

The thing that got to me was, when the Saints traded their entire draft and the following year's 1 and 3, and then we started to trade all those picks away. I think Chicago ended up with half of them for us to move up to get Bailey. We could've had a great team with all those picks for the present and the future at that time.

[The Full Monty]

He inherited Marty's team and has subsequently had a WORSE record each year than his predecessor. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of either the man that ran Schotty out of SD or the milksop that replaced him.

I replied to Jimster (you can check it out if you want) when he quoted me but I'll just rephrase: the point about Norv was to show that a great GM (like an AJ Smith) makes a world of difference, even with a mediocre coach.

Therefore, if John Kent Cooke had owned the team AND picked a great GM (instead of Casserly), I'd agree with those who say we would've done better than what we've done under Snyder. But maybe John would've picked a dud, in which case it'd be a wash. Who knows. The only thing I'm confident in is the likelihood that the Redskins would not, since 2000, have the fewest draft picks of any team.

[hail2skins]

Norv should have been fired during the early part of the 1998 season, but wasn't. Some will claim that Snyder breathing down Turner's neck in 1999 was the reason we got to the playoffs that year......I don't think so. Nonetheless, I couldn't see Norv lasting the whole time if JKC had remained the owner, but certainly we wouldn't have had the coaching turnover that we've had under Snyder.

Something else to consider.....if JKC had stayed, Trent Green probably would've stayed and have been the Skins starting QB in 1999, and who knows how long beyond.

Bottom line is that we would've had more continuity. Even though the Skins were no great shakes in the 90s, its hard to imagine that the team would've done any worse that it has under Snyder.

[BAFGA]

I am thinking you are mistaken . Norv inherited A J Smiths team . Martys team was that 8-8 then 4-12 . Smith took over the day to day running of the admin part of the team .

I think if Junior was in charge I can see we would be just the same as if not worse but we might not have had ES and the team would have had no money .

ES would have been started regardless. Remember, it was an independent message board when it was started in 2000. Would it have been purchased by the team? Who knows.

[Riggo-toni]

Another interesting what if question to think about...

What if Marty was still the coach 8 years later. My guess would be that he would have racked up 4 or 5 playoff seasons over that time frame.

Doubtful, and there'd be zero playoff wins. Marty would've retained GM duties, which he sucked at (You think Snyderatto's drafts are bad - look at '01. Only positive would be that Rosenfels would never have been cut, and would be our starting QB. Plus, Schotferbrains never would've gotten another cakewalk schedule like the one that fell in his lap in 01, and Jimmy Raye would still be our OC. :yikes: :doh::doh: I'm no Snyder apologist, but thank heaven we fired Schothead asap.

Also, if John Kent Cooke/Casserly were still running personnel in '99, we wouldn't have made the playoffs, because it was Cerrato who fixed the OL by bringing in Andy Heck at LT.

[bih]

I don't know how things would turn out but If i could snap my fingers and Snyder would have never been owner of the Skins, I would do it.

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[SkinsHokieFan]

Also, if John Kent Cooke/Casserly were still running personnel in '99, we wouldn't have made the playoffs, because it was Cerrato who fixed the OL by bringing in Andy Heck at LT.

That 1999 offseason seemed to be a mix of very good moves by the 2 camps

Casserly/Cooke moved down, picked up the entire New Orleans draft and was able to draft Champ Bailey and Jon Jansen, both of whom were key players as rookies. Along with that Casserly was able to acquire Johnson after it was impossible to keep Green because of the ownership flux

Snyderatto added Heck, Centers and Marco Coleman, and Snyder brought in Arnspargar to at least give the D a shot

[Gart Monk]

Not much different. There was only one Bobby Bethard

[Pimpey42000]

I was thinking of starting a thread like this but I felt it was too broad and hypothetical to compile some cold hard facts for. I agree with some of the points you bring up but believe that it is something that we will never know. Even if he was owner who knows we may have had consecutive 3 and 4 win seasons or we might have the polar opposite with many 12-13 win seasons. Anyways, Hail to the Redskins.

[jimster]

Plus, Schotferbrains never would've gotten another cakewalk schedule like the one that fell in his lap in 01, and Jimmy Raye would still be our OC. :yikes: :doh::doh: I'm no Snyder apologist, but thank heaven we fired Schothead asap.

WOW! ...I haven't seen anyone on this board ever agree with me on this.

[NoVaSkins21]

I think if John Kent Cooke owned the team, one of the thinngs he would have done was either kept Charlie Casserly or hire a competent GM. I however disagree with others about Norv. I think he would've gotten rid of him and had the GM hire a better qualified head coach.