IbleedBnG83 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 My guess is that you own a gun for protection, many of us own guns for sport, what is the problem with teaching responsibility so your kids can participate in a sport with their father? Thats why I said that there is nothing wrong. Just not a necessity. I have firearms for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeysc23 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Thats why I said that there is nothing wrong. Just not a necessity.I have firearms for both. I think its more of a necessity because like it or hate it guns are available in our society. Its best to prepare children in life for whatever they make come across. You may hate drugs and the area around you might be drug-free but you never know what your child may come across so its best to be prepared for everything. So teaching gun safety is a necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I think its more of a necessity because like it or hate it guns are available in our society. Its best to prepare children in life for whatever they make come across.You may hate drugs and the area around you might be drug-free but you never know what your child may come across so its best to be prepared for everything. So teaching gun safety is a necessity. Its a logical argument, but I would say its still not necessary. Going off of my own experience, I was taught that guns are dangerous and should only be handled by those that are trained. Subsequently, I don't think traning kids to handle them is necessary. But again, I'm not saying that teaching them is bad if you feel that it is. When I encountered a student when I was young that had one, I stayed away and contact the proper authorities. That was the right way to handle the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaxBuddy21 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 When I was little, I used to be terrified of guns. I would run away crying whenever I saw one. My grandfather took me and my brother and taught us how to handle a gun and how to respect a gun. We went through the proper training courses and everything. By the time we were done, I was not afraid of the gun any more but I respected it and was extremely careful when handling it. The guns were never anywhere I could get to them without my grandfather. The only time I could even see his guns were when he was with me and we were either hunting or target shooting. That is how teaching kids about guns should be handled. As I stated before, the age at which this can be done is up to the parent. And NO ONE should leave guns anywhere kids can get to then regardless of the level of training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armstrong001 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Were those kids that drowned closely supervised such as the kids that were closely supervised by firearms?Stats can be skewed. I just have a hard time believing that under that same conditions, firearms would be higher. I'm sure some were unsupervised just as some kids find unlocked, and loaded guns and play with them unsupervised. According to this site: The National Youth Sports Safety Foundation released a study of youth sports deaths for the years 1984-1988. The study identified 276 deaths in 14 different youth sports. Numbers ranged from a high of 69 deaths in baseball and 63 in football down to a low of 1 in volleyball. No deaths were attributed to youth target shooting activities. All statistics support the conclusion that the shooting sports, under the direction of responsible and capable adult leaders, is one of the safest activities available to young people. Is it for everyone? No, of course not. There is some variability to when children are mature enough to handle firearms. There are about 8 million residential and 270 thousand commercial pools in this country. There were approximately 192 million firearms in the U.S. in 1994 (according to the National Institute of Justice), and according to the NRA, the number increases by about 4.5 million per year. So that puts us at around 315 million guns currently. There are FAR more guns than pools in this country and far less accidental child deaths due to shooting compared to swimming. It's just not that dangerous. The bullet ALWAYS goes where you point it. If you supervise children while doing it, the chances of someone getting hurt are small enough that I don't worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 When I was little, I used to be terrified of guns. I would run away crying whenever I saw one. My grandfather took me and my brother and taught us how to handle a gun and how to respect a gun. We went through the proper training courses and everything. By the time we were done, I was not afraid of the gun any more but I respected it and was extremely careful when handling it. The guns were never anywhere I could get to them without my grandfather. The only time I could even see his guns were when he was with me and we were either hunting or target shooting. That is how teaching kids about guns should be handled. As I stated before, the age at which this can be done is up to the parent. And NO ONE should leave guns anywhere kids can get to then regardless of the level of training. I will say this; when I was no more than 8-10 years old, I had a MoCo Police neighbor. She was really friendly and would play catch with me and some of the kids (and was really hot too!). One day, she let me hold her unloaded gun to see what it was like. It made me feel more at ease and not so curious about them. I never thought of it having much of an influence on my approach, but I still remember that to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec138 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Wow. Completely relevant story about last night. We were all at my neighbors house last night. One of our friends (who is in the Army, shipping off the Afghanistan after this semester) was doing something with his 9mm in the kitchen. Anyways, we're all shootin' the **** and all of a sudden *BANG*. He shot a hole through the floor. Luckily he had the gun pointed down and the only thing that got hurt was the carpet. Scared the **** out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 He has carpet in his kitchen ? That seems pretty odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec138 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 He has carpet in his kitchen ? That seems pretty odd to me. Actually I guess it was in the dining room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Wow. Completely relevant story about last night. We were all at my neighbors house last night. One of our friends (who is in the Army, shipping off the Afghanistan after this semester) was doing something with his 9mm in the kitchen. Anyways, we're all shootin' the **** and all of a sudden *BANG*. He shot a hole through the floor. Luckily he had the gun pointed down and the only thing that got hurt was the carpet. Scared the **** out of me. It doesn't sound like the person handling the 9 was very smart. 1. why was the gun loaded in the first place, does he have a firing range in his kitchen? 2. Why would he have the gun out in the first place while company was over?, other than to show off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Actually I guess it was in the dining room. Why...especially with company over would he be doing anything with his firearm ? He clearly didn't learn about guns at an early age. I say, around 5-7 or so. Start learning early enough to earn that respect for the firearm and it's potential impact. The thing that scares me is the irresponsible parents that may through a child that is not educated enough at that point to even rationalize a thought, but the parent wants to teach them how to use a potentially deadly device. Bad parenting is more of a problem than exposure to learning about firearms at any age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Does your buddies house have a basement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I'm sure some were unsupervised just as some kids find unlocked, and loaded guns and play with them unsupervised. According to this site: Is it for everyone? No, of course not. There is some variability to when children are mature enough to handle firearms. There are about 8 million residential and 270 thousand commercial pools in this country. There were approximately 192 million firearms in the U.S. in 1994 (according to the National Institute of Justice), and according to the NRA, the number increases by about 4.5 million per year. So that puts us at around 315 million guns currently. There are FAR more guns than pools in this country and far less accidental child deaths due to shooting compared to swimming. It's just not that dangerous. The bullet ALWAYS goes where you point it. If you supervise children while doing it, the chances of someone getting hurt are small enough that I don't worry about it. Great research and very interesting:cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec138 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 No basement. I'm not sure what he was doing with it, btw, it wasn't his house. He's in the Army so I would assume he had some experience lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armstrong001 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Great research and very interesting:cheers: No problem. I'm very interested in shooting sports. If my daughter is interested when she is older (almost 4 now) I will definitely be doing this with her. If she isn't interested, we'll do enough so that she knows about firearms and what they can and can't do. That's enough for me. It is hard to pull myself away from the small bolt action rifles they sell now. I actually tried putting one on her shoulder "just to see how much bigger she needs to be" :doh: I won't be starting any time soon. We'll stick with trains for right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 They actually cut off the index finger and the pointer finger. Which is why the British version of the finger is holding up those two ("still got 'em!") like a reverse peace sign. The British don't flip the bird they way we do, with only one finger. I think that's the 'V' symbol from WWII which you are speaking of... and...I don't really think kids ever need to learn how to fire weapons. Maybe I'm a sissy suburban boy, but I'm sick and effing tired of the pervasive effect of guns in our culture. I don't think everybody needs to own a gun. But I do think everybody should know how to handle one. It's not that involved to know how to clear a gun, how to store one safely, and how not to get yourself shot. They should teach that much in the public schools in my book. Stupidity is killing a lot of folks in this country, and the absense of knowledge just doesn't make any sense. I agree with you on kids. I don't think kids need to shoot guns until well into their teens. All kids should ever know about guns is they aren't toys and they aren't to be messed with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 No basement. I'm not sure what he was doing with it, btw, it wasn't his house. He's in the Army so I would assume he had some experience lol. He probably does have experience, just not enough to be showing his skills to guests. I am still wondering why he had a LOADED gun around guests in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Great research and very interesting:cheers: I thought the same thing, it is the fuel I need to help get my wifes approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec138 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 He probably does have experience, just not enough to be showing his skills to guests. I am still wondering why he had a LOADED gun around guests in the first place. He didn't think it was loaded, and I know that's no excuse. Also, he wasn't showing off or anything. We didn't even know he was back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieSkinsFan Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 "At what age should kids learn to shoot/handle a gun?" Never. Let's end the gun culture in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 "At what age should kids learn to shoot/handle a gun?"Never. Let's end the gun culture in this country. Edit: And they're off. This thread isn't about gun laws, it's about law abiding citzens teaching their law abiding kids how to safely use a firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Commie much? hippie, at the minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 hippie, at the minimum. Hey at least a gun thread made it 6 pages with decent debate before going off the deep end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hey at least a gun thread made it 6 pages with decent debate before going off the deep end. much better than the math thread :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 much better than the math thread :rotflmao: I avoided that thread because I hate math, I guess I should go look, is it a train wreck and what page does it start on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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