SI: MMQB: Jason Campbell tidbits

[mcarey032]

or Chicago gave up a King's ransom for possibly the next Jeff George

That is the part that could wind up being a blessing in disguise, it was the Bears over paying, not the Skins

I will second that motion.

[Oldfan]

When you draft smart for several years and are missing one piece to being a perennial playoff contender, a deal like they made is acceptable.

A deal like this would have set the Skins back to a level not seen since the height of the Norval era a decade and a half ago.

You think the Bears were only missing one piece? The defense has aged; they need WRs, they just signed Orlando Pace hoping he can stay healthy...

[jflow78]

My feelings are that if Chicago felt badly enough about Orton to send him along with two 1st rounders and a 3rd to Denver for a better QB, they either felt like Orton was the worst QB in the league and overpaid, or they felt like Cutler was the next Dan Marion.

I don't really care, I'm glad we've got our picks, JC isn't so awful I want to pay someone to take him off our hands. I bet Cutler's stats this season in Chicago aren't much better than Ortons, since there's no one to pass to.

[@DCGoldPants]

and the real implication behind that activity: the Skins do not view JC as a franchise QB. not now anyway.

I think its more...the Redskins are so bad at evaluating talent that they have no concept of how their own players might develop. So, they look around the league and just go nuts over stats or probowls.

I don't think it matters who we have. Its who we DON'T that they want.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

the bears went 9-7 with kyle orton, the "aged" defense, and a bunch of scrub WR.

QB is all their missing, and now theyve got one.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

It's all relative. They certainly view Cutler as a better chance to be a franchise QB. That much you can say with certainty.

Anything else is still speculation. Maybe they don't see JC as a good option long-term, maybe they do. It's unclear.

It's clear as can be.

They did not extend his contract.

And they tried to trade him.

Aside from ordering a Code Red on him during training camp, what other messages can they send him?

[Oldfan]

the bears went 9-7 with kyle orton, the "aged" defense, and a bunch of scrub WR.

QB is all their missing, and now theyve got one.

My mistake. I never realized that winning one game more than the league average in a season indicates a team one player short of being a perennial contender.:cool2:

[Oldfan]

It's clear as can be.

They did not extend his contract.

And they tried to trade him.

Aside from ordering a Code Red on him during training camp' date=' what other messages can they send him?[/quote']

Replace the name on his playbook with "To Whom It May Concern?"

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

My mistake. I never realized that winning one game more than the league average in a season indicates a team one player short of being a perennial contender.:cool2:

well they went 9-7 with a quarterback that most would agree isnt very good. chicago is known for their great defense/special teams. id assume from that that offense was their major set back, and a QB is the key point of an offense. so they decided to upgrade that position.

in your opinion, do you think chicago will do the same/worse/better with cutler?

[elkabong82]

You can spin this any way you want to. But mcdaniels coached the best QB in the league; a guy that set the touchdown record like it was childs play. He coached Cassel, and made a guy who didnt even start in college and had never played a down as a starter, have an almost pro bowl caliber year. I think I'd take the word of a coach who can do that, over the word of a sports writer. And coming from the guy that worked with the best QB in the league, I think it's telling and credible that he'd much rather take Orton over Campbell. If your quarterback is seemingly the anti-brady, that's pretty damn telling.

New England already has a well-established system. Once Cassel picked it up he was doing well. Doesn't hurt having Randy Moss and Wes Welker for targets either.

McDaniels was a coach for New Engalnd, so of course given their success his opinion does hold some validity. But he didn't pick Brady, and Cassell eventually did well, but was in a pretty darn good system. Remember though, just cuz he coached in New England doesn't automtaically mean he's correct on the Orton issue. He could very well be wrong and Denver could wind up doing worse over his tenure, and the screw up with Cutler would be pointed to immediately. If everyone coming out of New England was correct on their opinions all the time, Romeo Crennel would still be coaching the Browns and Mangini would still be coaching the Jets.

[Dark Acre]

If Haynesworth plays up to rep and if Rogers can hold onto the ball, Campbell won't sniff 3,000 yards, let alone 4,000.

[Oldfan]

well they went 9-7 with a quarterback that most would agree isnt very good. chicago is known for their great defense/special teams. id assume from that that offense was their major set back, and a QB is the key point of an offense. so they decided to upgrade that position.

in your opinion, do you think chicago will do the same/worse/better with cutler?

If they adapt the scheme well to take advantage of his ability, Cutler is worth two games over Orton. I don't know the Bears well enough to know whether they otherwise will improve or backslide this season.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

If they adapt the scheme well to take advantage of his ability, Cutler is worth two games over Orton. I don't know the Bears well enough to know whether they otherwise will improve or backslide this season.

i watched enough of them last year to know how important cutler will be. orton was awful with the bomb to hester, and he was wide open more times than i can remember just due to his sheer speed. if cutler is accurate with that bomb to hester, that offense is gonna be silly.

[CPortJGibbs89]

i watched enough of them last year to know how important cutler will be. orton was awful with the bomb to hester, and he was wide open more times than i can remember just due to his sheer speed. if cutler is accurate with that bomb to hester, that offense is gonna be silly.

I watched a couple of Bears games last year, like the eagles game. If anything the one thing holding them back was Orton. I just dont think he has the arm strength to be a great Qb in the league. He is also extremely safe with the ball and doesnt take a ton of chances. It will be interesting to see how Cutler works out with the Bears. It has to be scary of thinking about Cutlers cannon and throwing bombs to Hester which is a guy that is hard to overthrow, Orton underthrew him alot.

[Schoolmaster]

If we'd open up the offense and let Campbell throw it 100 more times like Cutler did in Denver, with 20 fewer sacks....I think Campbell could have 4000+ yards.

There's no doubt. He will have more int's... but he will have a ton of more yards.

[Schoolmaster]

i watched enough of them last year to know how important cutler will be. orton was awful with the bomb to hester, and he was wide open more times than i can remember just due to his sheer speed. if cutler is accurate with that bomb to hester, that offense is gonna be silly.

Yeah, but how about Hester's hands ??

[Ernie5]

In the end, Chicago got a potentially great long-term quarterback (when's the last time, if ever, a 4,000-yard passer got traded at age 25?)

That is the part that hurts.

What a rare opportunity. Oh well, just have to hope for the best.

Throwing to whom? Now Cutler, whom I like, is a Chicago Bear QB, which automatically lowers his value.

[Snagletooth]

How can he possibly prove he's a "playoff caliber QB" on his own? Please explain that to me.

Well, the Redskins front office, the Bears front office and I disagree. I think we were witnesses to NFL history -- the best young QB ever traded.

Count me in on this one. From day one, I suspected, and had no problem giving up two firsts and Campbell. While it seemed many here were not in favor of even a straight up deal.

In terms of market value, many here have already been proven wrong. We will see how it all plays out. I for one think Cutler is an absolute stud.

[DieHardSkins88]

**** yards. We don't need yards. We need points. The offense needs to average 25-30 points a game.

haha.. no way do we need to score that many points per game to win. that would mean our defense isn't doing its job

[SkinsNumberOne]

It's clear as can be.

They did not extend his contract.

And they tried to trade him.

Aside from ordering a Code Red on him during training camp' date=' what other messages can they send him?[/quote']

True, they didn't extend his contract. For a normal FO, I think that has a lot more meaning.

I guess I assume the Redskins FO thinks they will just rather pay more at the end of this offseason if he ends up playing well. If they thought he wasn't the option, they would surely dump him. Are you suggesting they will dump him this offseason, that he won't see the field in 2009? Because the reactionary Redskins FO wouldn't waste time if they were certain he couldn't perform. That is what I think.

I'm suggesting, that as in many years past, they are uncertain. This is like the debacle coaching search, we now have the debacle QB search. Yes if they think they find a better option, he's gone - I am not saying they are sold on him. You're right though, I shouldn't have said they "may" view him as a long-term option; if they did, they would have extended him. I think they're in the gray-area that kills us with their indecision... Jim Fassel.

[addicted]

I can understand McDaniels having doubts about Campbell being his starting QB.

I have my doubts about Campbell as well as the starting QB for the Redskins.

But to be so sold on Orton? I don't get that.

The only thing that makes sense to me about this is Ortons home record which is better then Campbells. If he can play that well in Mile High its possible that Ortons the next AFC Pro Bowler and Cutler is the newest number two entry on the "Biggest trade blunders in history" list

[addicted]

haha.. no way do we need to score that many points per game to win. that would mean our defense isn't doing its job

Or it means we are blowing teams out which truely would be a bad ass thing, when was the last time we beat another team by 20 points?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Or it means we are blowing teams out which truely would be a bad ass thing, when was the last time we beat another team by 20 points?

lions in 07

SF in 05

these were rarities, i wish they were more common.

[Taylor 36]

Couldn't this apply to you, Oh Mr. NFL Job guy?

You have an opinion he has one too. Neither of you probably work in the NFL, therefor neither opinion holds any more water than the other.

Before jumping in to a conversation, especially on a message board where there is a record of the conversation, try reading what was written before hand.

I never said anything about knowing more than him or any other poster on this board, nor did I even give mention of my position on the issue. I simply responded to his earlier post in the same manner that he responded to another poster to prove a point.

I in no way said that I know more than him or implied that I was an NFL genius. Trying reading before judging!

[Taylor 36]

Don't own a madden game, didn't change the post title or content, just responded to a post, I had my shower for the day, and I'm not losing my temper as you obviously have. Ever considered going for anger management counseling?

Also, sorry about the "no", I had a grown up call me and ask me to pick her up, so I was rushing. We grown ups get busy sometime. You'll learn that someday.

I guess you didn't see (or weren't capable of comprehending) the simple smiley at the end of my post. I didn't lose my temper, but if you want to continue to live in your world of ego thinking that you know so much and that everything revolves around you, go right ahead. Just be prepared for disappointment when you enter the real world of grown-ups one of these decades.

My point was made. You fail to see that; not surprising.