SI: MMQB: Jason Campbell tidbits

[TheLongshot]

And I'd argue the contrary, that if your solidifying the most important position on the team for the next decade or so, with a young player who has all the intangibles to be a top echelon QB in this league, and whom many think is well on the way to being, Chicago paid a reasonable price for Cutler.

Eh, I don't think Cutler has proven he has the intangibles as of yet. He certainly hasn't lead his team to the playoffs so far, and his play down the stretch when all they needed was one win was nothing special. As I said, it is a lot to give up for that and I don't think he's worth it.

[NoleSkin21]

or Chicago gave up a King's ransom for possibly the next Jeff George

That is the part that could wind up being a blessing in disguise, it was the Bears over paying, not the Skins

You people who believe that Cutler is the next Jeff George are sadly mistaken. The 2 have one thing in common. Arm strength. I know Jay pushed for this trade and acted like a baby. But....you never EVER saw him get into a shouting match with his HC on the sidelines like George. You will never see Cutler bounce around from team to team like George, b/c he is a borderline franchise QB. He was unhappy in Denver, so what? IN the real world if you are unhappy at your job, you find a new one right? So why can't NFL players? Portis did the same thing when he came from Denver, but his was over a contract, not over being lied to by management.

At this point, If all things were equal (age etc) I would CONSIDER taking Jeff George over Jason Campbell.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Eh, I don't think Cutler has proven he has the intangibles as of yet. He certainly hasn't lead his team to the playoffs so far, and his play down the stretch when all they needed was one win was nothing special. As I said, it is a lot to give up for that and I don't think he's worth it.

That's fair enough Jason, it's all down to personal opinion.

Time will tell if Chicago made a prudent purchase or not as this plays out on the field.

Hail.

[Oldfan]

And yet Josh McDaniel did his damnest to trade for Cassell and drop Cutler. Which is perhaps the biggest mystery in all this. I can see McDaniel wanting a guy he was familiar with, but that's a flimsy reason to kick a guy with Cutler's tools to the curb. If you're handed a new team with a quarterback of Cutler's potential, why shake things up like that?

Denver's mistake was in hiring McDaniels when they had a QB with the ability to win without a strong supporting cast. He has the ability to make his teammates look better than they really are. Denver's low sacks given up (12) can be credited as much to Shanahan's use of Cutler as to the O line. And, don't bet on Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal running the disciplined routes the Patriot's system requires.

The misfit was the hiring of McDaniels. I feel for the Denver fans. Jay Cutler is a player you pay to see play the game.

Cutler's talent would be wasted in the Patriot's scheme.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

or Chicago gave up a King's ransom for possibly the next Jeff George

That is the part that could wind up being a blessing in disguise, it was the Bears over paying, not the Skins

Remind me again about the times that Jeff George made the all pro team in his early 20s.

Cutler is not a problem; Cutler was happy and a good teammate in Denver until a) Shanahan got fired and McDaniels inexplicably tried to replace him with a lesser QB. Things spiraled out of control from there. But all Cutler has ever done is play his balls off while fighting through an onset of Diabetes.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Eh, I don't think Cutler has proven he has the intangibles as of yet. He certainly hasn't lead his team to the playoffs so far, and his play down the stretch when all they needed was one win was nothing special. As I said, it is a lot to give up for that and I don't think he's worth it.

Yea. He really played badly at middle linebacker in December and January.

[Voice_of_Reason]

I think that best thing that came out of the non-trade is that all the pressure is on other teams: The Bears HAVE to win with Cutler, if he's bad, then they gave up a ton to get him, and it goes down as a HUGE bust.

The Broncos HAVE to win with Orton/Simms/somebody else. If they don't, they are firmly in the cross hairs.

If JC plays great, then whoopy! Because it's always good if the starting QB for your team plays great. If not, he's gone at the end of the year with no cap implications. Whoopy! And that chapter ends, and then the 'Skins can start looking for the next QB. And if JC plays badly, then the record will probably reflect that, so they'll have a reasonably high pick to play with.

So the Redskins as an organization are in the most comfortable position in terms of risk.

EDIT: This sounds like a real homer post. It's not. I firmly believe the only reason we're in this situation of low risk it due to complete dumb luck. Nothing else.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

That's the thing in all of this. They didn't HAVE to trade Cutler, yet they decided at some point that it would be a good idea to do so. Either you have to question the decisionmaking of the people involved (which is wide open with thinking that Orton is a better option than Cutler) or there is something about Cutler that McDaniels doesn't like.

McDaniels is probably going to be fired within two years and may never get another head coaching job again. That's how badly he has screwed up this Cutler situation.

The Denver Front Office did a nice job in salvaging something from this cluster****. But if I am the GM, I have to be wondering what I've gotten myself into.

You can only act like Bill Belichick when you are Bill Belichick.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

By the way, are we really comparing Cutler to Jeff George now? I've seen that in a few posts.

And that may be the most idiotic thing that has ever been posted here. Which is saying a hell of a lot.

[jnhay]

By the way' date=' are we really comparing Cutler to Jeff George now? I've seen that in a few posts.

And that may be the most idiotic thing that has ever been posted here. Which is saying a hell of a lot.[/quote']

Anyone comparing him to Jeff George is just making a prediction.

[bcl05]

That's a pretty high price for an unproven QB. Especially one who was just diagnosed with diabetes and about whom there are a bunch of rumors about too much booze. Booze and diabetes can be a bad combo, I hope for his sake its all rumor, but if there is any truth to it - not worth mortgaging the future...

[Oldfan]

As you say, he's proved nothing other than he has some great ability. Whether that translates into a playoff caliber QB the jury is still out on.

How can he possibly prove he's a "playoff caliber QB" on his own? Please explain that to me.

In any case, I don't think what he's shown so far is worth 2 1st round picks and a starting caliber QB.

Well, the Redskins front office, the Bears front office and I disagree. I think we were witnesses to NFL history -- the best young QB ever traded.

[Oldfan]

By the way' date=' are we really comparing Cutler to Jeff George now? I've seen that in a few posts.

And that may be the most idiotic thing that has ever been posted here. Which is saying a hell of a lot.[/quote']

It's a knee-slapper, isn't it?

[brlawson]

Our JC can make all the throws that the other JC can make, given the best pass protection. Just look at his highlights. He has a monster arm, great vision, and he's big enough to throw defenders off his body. He may not have the quickest release, but he has what it takes to be a starter in this league, and I think he will definately take us to the next level. That said, if he proves me wrong I hope we don't rush CB5 in too fast because I think he can also be superb in thee WCO.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Anyone comparing him to Jeff George is just making a prediction.

Of what?

His career is already better than Jeff George's career. If he fails to improve one more inch, he is a better NFL QB than Jeff George ever was.

George was lazy and tempermental and over-relied on his arm. Cutler is none of those things. He is tough and well-schooled by Shanahan.

[Thinking Skins]

McDaniels is probably going to be fired within two years and may never get another head coaching job again. That's how badly he has screwed up this Cutler situation.

The Denver Front Office did a nice job in salvaging something from this cluster****. But if I am the GM' date=' I have to be wondering what I've gotten myself into.

You can only act like Bill Belichick when you are Bill Belichick.[/quote']

Right now, I'm coupling McDaniels into the group of dittoheads who left NE thinking they could take go around acting like Belichick and screwing teams up. Who's on this list now Crenell, dude in NY who is now in Cleveland, dude at Notre Dame.

I think Belichick doesn't have Parcells's routine of training his lower staff. We saw that almost everybody who came from the Parcells coaching tree was successful. Thats kinda why I wouldn't have minded getting somebody from that coaching tree. But I'm glad we've got something from the Holmgren/Walsh tree. Its proven to be good as well. We're seeing almost the opposite from the Belichick coaching tree (which seems like the bad branch of the Parcells tree).

[SnyderMustGo]

seems like people are missing this quote

Heh.

The one quote that isn't a total embarassment to us is the one we should focus on?

Here is my impression of bubba:

WASHINGTON REDSKINS REACH NEW LEVELS OF MEDIOCRITY

by JLC

Washington Post, p.3

The Redskins recently began stealing bikes from little kids. They also would kick the kid's puppies. The team met and decided that after being universally the laughing stock of the league thanks to their owner, that they might as well go all out and just be evil villains. The rest of the NFL decided that the NFL gains nothing by having Snyder's team in the league because all their players suck and everything about the team is horrible. The exception is that they have best tasting hot dogs in the league. But other than that, the NFL is seriously considering banishing the franchise until Snyder sells the team.

(Rest of article at link)

[PROSCOUT]

I am not impressed with McDaniels. Sometimes great QB's make offensive cordinators and head coaches look like geniuses. Then the QB leaves and suddenly the coach becomes a lot dumber.

If I were looking at Orton and Cutler and Campbell, I would not be looking at who had the better season last year, I would be looking at the stats compared to who has been in the same system for any length of time. Jason is the only QB in all these trade talks who is never given a chance to get comfortable in one system before somebody pulls the rug out from under him.

But the tables are now turned. Kyle Orton has to go into a different system with a different coach and different receivers. Same for Jay Cutler....but NOW its Campbell who has the same coach, same system, and same receivers.

How many of you will be searchiing frantically for an explanation midway through the season when Jason Campbell is burning up the stat chart and either Cutler or Orton or both are still struggling while adjusting to their new surroundings, trying to figure out the new system, and still trying to get on the same page with their new receivers.

Its going to happen, so I will wait here to listen to your exclamations: HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?

[TheLongshot]

Yea. He really played badly at middle linebacker in December and January.

Beside the point. They didn't lose despite his performance down the stretch. His numbers against those three teams are rather pedestrian and I'm not sure if they would have won those games with better defensive performances. (Maybe the Buffalo game.)

[SnyderMustGo]

Every one of those teams was in the ballpark with an offer of at least two first round draft picks and a quarterback.

Does this settle the issue for all the people who been claiming that we weren't that interested, were not engaged in serious talks, and were just doing due diligence?

Wasn't it Art or someone who claimed inside info who said they can confirm we never made an offer?

[TheLongshot]

How can he possibly prove he's a "playoff caliber QB" on his own? Please explain that to me.

Well, he did little during the stretch run to win those games, as I've already pointed out.

Well, the Redskins front office, the Bears front office and I disagree. I think we were witnesses to NFL history -- the best young QB ever traded.

He's got a long way to go before he becomes better than Young and Elway. Hell, he's not better than Phillip Rivers right now.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I am not impressed with McDaniels. Sometimes great QB's make offensive cordinators and head coaches look like geniuses. Then the QB leaves and suddenly the coach becomes a lot dumber.

If I were looking at Orton and Cutler and Campbell, I would not be looking at who had the better season last year, I would be looking at the stats compared to who has been in the same system for any length of time. Jason is the only QB in all these trade talks who is never given a chance to get comfortable in one system before somebody pulls the rug out from under him.

But the tables are now turned. Kyle Orton has to go into a different system with a different coach and different receivers. Same for Jay Cutler....but NOW its Campbell who has the same coach, same system, and same receivers.

How many of you will be searchiing frantically for an explanation midway through the season when Jason Campbell is burning up the stat chart and either Cutler or Orton or both are still struggling while adjusting to their new surroundings, trying to figure out the new system, and still trying to get on the same page with their new receivers.

Its going to happen, so I will wait here to listen to your exclamations: HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?

None of this: He has to get comfortable with the system nonsense seemed to matter when Drew Brees went to New Orleans.

[Shilsu]

Can we stop talking about how the Bears gave up too much due to the third round pick... The Bears draft picks are worth less than the Redskins' first rounders... And factor in the fifth round pick they receive and the disparity is even greater.

[McD5]

Does this settle the issue for all the people who been claiming that we weren't that interested, were not engaged in serious talks, and were just doing due diligence?

Wasn't it Art or someone who claimed inside info who said they can confirm we never made an offer?

We have crazy people on this site.

People in total denial.

[TheLongshot]

We have crazy people on this site.

People in total denial.

Says exhibit #1. :hysterical: