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The Obama administration's approach to immigration enforcement is still something of a mystery. The Department of Homeland Security is issuing new guidelines for field agents on how to deal with illegal immigrants in the workforce, and so far, those guidelines are being kept secret. But a recent incident in Washington state may provide some clues.

On Feb. 24, when armed immigration agents raided Yamato Engine Specialists, a small company that rebuilds car engines in Bellingham, Wash., 28 workers were led away in handcuffs. They were illegal immigrants, most of them from Mexico, and they faced quick deportation. It was the first big immigration raid under President Obama, and it came as a shock to many in the Hispanic community.

On Spanish radio, shock quickly turned to anger. "Let's give the Obama administration one month to stop all this," warns one caller, "otherwise, the Democratic Party and Obama will suffer the consequences!"

But the White House seemed almost as surprised by the raid as the workers. Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano told Congress she hadn't known about the raid ahead of time, and she ordered a review of it.

Now, one month later, 27 of the 28 workers have been released. One of them — Luis Ramos — says he can't get over how nice the immigration agents have become.

"They treat us wonderfully," Ramos says. "They even say, 'do you want a soda from the machine?'"

The government is offering them temporary work permits, and immigration agents are even giving the Mexicans free rides to Seattle to file the paperwork. Now the anger at Obama is coming from the other side of the immigration debate.

"Not only is this immigration non-enforcement that's going on, he is providing a policy amnesty for illegal aliens that is not supported by the American public and that has not been passed by Congress," says William Gheen, who represents a group called Americans for Legal Immigration.

The Obama administration isn't saying what the policy is yet — officially, it's still under review. But during the campaign, Obama said he'd like to shift the enforcement emphasis to the employers, and that philosophy now seems to be on display at Yamato Engine Specialists...............

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102723012

I support going after employers......However

Giving Criminals (Illegal Aliens) work permits and Sodas.....speaks to a disregard to;

Soveriegnity (Do we have a border?......does it protect us?)

Consistancy (Wide Policy SWINGs do not help the situation)

Legality (its the LAW)

Citizen Rights (unemployed AMERICANS)

Budget (Illegals cost BILLIONS)

Due Process and Voter Rights (enforce ALL the laws....not just the ones you want)

We should do BOTH.....not Flip Flop

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Unfortunately, illegal immigration is an issue that has been avoided for multiple administrations. That said, I dearly dislike the implied threat or blackmail being made by that caller. I don't know that we have the courage, imagination, or discipline to come up with a solution right now, especially with some of the other things demanding our attention, but someone needs to be thinking about this and resolving the issues. As I said under Bush, if the borders are that porous it makes it incredibly easy for terrorists to come through to plot or execute their misery. We've been lucky and/or good enough that we haven't gotten hit yet, but it's far too easy to imagine them sneaking across or even smuggling a dirty bomb across.

We haven't been serious about our borders in a long, long, time if ever.

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Sounds like "open the borders". I am not a fan.

How can you hold employers more responsible ? They are not professional ID checkers.

The key word for me has always been, "illegal".

:secret:When an employer hires an illegal, they're both breaking the law.

Edit: I do believe, however, that if you're going to punish the employers, (and I think you should), then you have to give the employer some simple, cheap way to tell if he's hiring an illegal.

If you want to punish bartenders for serving under age, then you have to give them an ID to check that shows the customer's age.

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[quote name='brianforster;628952

0]Who really cares about illegal immigration' date=' if you are competing with immigrants for your job, you need to get a more useful skill set.

edit: Were all immigrants![/quote']

There are so many things that are crazy about your statement.

When I was in college and came home for my breaks, I would work in various trades to make my money. I never had to compete for my summer jobs, it was very rare that I ever worked with Mexicans, and that was only 9 years ago.

Lets look it from one perspective, doing construction, landscaping and mowing grass over the summer time isn't a good job for college kids any more?

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Problem is, you can't please everyone all the time.. In Politics that's exactly what they try to do, because it equal's votes. To me, it's very cut and dry. If you are here illegally, you should be taken back to country. Now exceptions can be made if you are here illegally if you are caring for a legal child, or other legal loved one that is sick or something, but even then, it should be a requirement that you become a legalized citizen.

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It's really interesting how when it comes to this issue, people form strong opinions without having a basic understanding of the issue. Here are some examples:

This undeclared AMNESTY will help to reverse that trend

False. The law of supply and demand has the biggest impact on illegal immigration by far. If we have work for them, they'll be here, no matter what kind of wall we build or whatever. If we don't have work for them, a lot of them will leave, now matter how soft we are on them. They are here to make money, period.

:secret:When an employer hires an illegal, they're both breaking the law.

Edit: I do believe, however, that if you're going to punish the employers, (and I think you should), then you have to give the employer some simple, cheap way to tell if he's hiring an illegal.

If you want to punish bartenders for serving under age, then you have to give them an ID to check that shows the customer's age.

There already is a very simple way to confim if a worker is legal or not. It takes 1 phone call to confirm a match on a social security number.

There are so many things that are crazy about your statement.

When I was in college and came home for my breaks, I would work in various trades to make my money. I never had to compete for my summer jobs, it was very rare that I ever worked with Mexicans, and that was only 9 years ago.

Lets look it from one perspective, doing construction, landscaping and mowing grass over the summer time isn't a good job for college kids any more?

Again, law of supply and demand. There are way more jobs that illegals are doing than you realize. Jobs that a lot of college students don't want to do. Besides, assuming by your logic that there are enough college students to do those jobs, who will do those jobs when the students all go back to school in September?

Problem is, you can't please everyone all the time.. In Politics that's exactly what they try to do, because it equal's votes. To me, it's very cut and dry. If you are here illegally, you should be taken back to country. Now exceptions can be made if you are here illegally if you are caring for a legal child, or other legal loved one that is sick or something, but even then, it should be a requirement that you become a legalized citizen.

A requirement to become a citizen? You miss the basic point here that many illegals would love to become citizens, or legal alien workers if they had that opportunity. They do not. There is no legal avenue for most of these people to become citizens. It's not like they could come here legally, but choose not to.

I think you guys, along with millions of other Americans are proud, patriotic americans that want what they think is best for their country. I'm not trying to insult you in any way. I'm just saying that the issue is much more complicated than you realize.

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It's really interesting how when it comes to this issue, people form strong opinions without having a basic understanding of the issue. Here are some examples:
Whats Interesting is the level of READING COMPREHENSION in these threads....or should I say LACK of....heres the context

You Said

The recession has been a bigger deterent to illegal immigration than any wall or policy.
My reply was...
This undeclared AMNESTY will help to reverse that trend

Notice the word HELP...

.....The law of supply and demand has the biggest impact on illegal immigration by far.
Didn't disagree here
If we have work for them, they'll be here, no matter what kind of wall we build or whatever. If we don't have work for them, a lot of them will leave, now matter how soft we are on them. They are here to make money, period.
I didn't disgaree with your assertion that the economy is a Bigger issue in this context

I did not say it would fully reverse the overall impact of the bad economy on Illegals

Its funny how you use Supply and Demand and apply it to YOUR part of the argument

Demand will go UP with an undeclared Amnesty

See how Supply and Demand can be applied fully?

They are Here because Mexico is Corrupt

They are here because the USA provides a better standard of living

They are Here not only because of "Jobs".....they are here because a lot of other things are better....and we let them in

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I read and comprehended perfectly well what you wrote Ihop. I am telling your "undeclared amnesty" or whatever you want to call it will have very little impact either way. Mexicans caome here if they think they can get jobs. They stay if they can hold down good jobs. If they think there is no work, they don't come. I know this from a large amount of direct experience. It's really that simple.

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Given the new economic situation I don't think it's right to say there are jobs Americans won't do therefore let as many immigrants in as the market wants. The market will always have a spot for dirt cheap labor it can use and abuse, and now that Americans are finding a hard time finding work I think it's more prudent to have a harsher immigration policy.

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Again, law of supply and demand. There are way more jobs that illegals are doing than you realize.

I was using college students as an example, I could have used one of 500 examples.

Jobs that a lot of college students don't want to do. Besides, assuming by your logic that there are enough college students to do those jobs, who will do those jobs when the students all go back to school in September?

The problems with day laborers is they drive down wages. Of course college kids don't want to do the jobs, aside from Americans being a bunch of wusses and not wanting to get their hands dirty, they don't want to work for dirt cheap, I don't blame them.

There is no way in hell you would catch me framing houses for $7.00 an hour, I think some illegals will work for way less. At least in the north east, I know a lot of the work college kids do is seasonal to begin with, so for a lot of companies the work is starting to dry up in August/September any way.

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I was using college students as an example, I could have used one of 500 examples.

The problems with day laborers is they drive down wages. Of course college kids don't want to do the jobs, aside from Americans being a bunch of wusses and not wanting to get their hands dirty, they don't want to work for dirt cheap, I don't blame them.

There is no way in hell you would catch me framing houses for $7.00 an hour, I think some illegals will work for way less. At least in the north east, I know a lot of the work college kids do is seasonal to begin with, so for a lot of companies the work is starting to dry up in August/September any way.

OK, but I never commented on illegals effect on wages, although I will point out that a lot of illegals earn a lot more than you think.

My original point was that the policy discussed in this thread will have little impact on the issue one way or the other. My second point was that a lot of people have very strong opinions on this subject, but don't really understand the issue. You anchor babies comment is a good example. Having an anchor baby does not equal a free pass for an illegal immigrant. The parents are still illegal. The mother can qualify for medicaid for childbirth, and the child can qualify for medicaid and assistance, but pretty much everything else stays the same.

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