skinsnut18231977 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I apologize if this is long winded.... Here we go... Campbell threw 110 less passes than Cutler. Of that Cutler threw for 4,526 yards in '08 compared to 3,245 for Campbell. If you project that out at Campbells' average yards per pass of 6.41 it would of been 3,681 for the extra 110 pass attempts at his 62.3 completion rate(roughly). Now less we forget that our offensive systems relies upon short 5 to 10 yard completions with an average recieving corp. Now if you extend everything else out it would mean that Campbell would have an additional 3 td's and NO interceptions out of 616 pass attempts....not amazing but not bad either in a first year led offense. Now add together the weaker AFC versus the stronger NFC(not to mentions the EAST..) sounds solid to me?? Also add the fact that Cutler has been in the same system for a couple of seasons longer too. In my opinion does this sound like someone whom we should be throwing the towel in on??? Remember it took several seasons for Eli to come into his own. Why are we as Skins' fans so hell-bent on turnover??? Colt B.? Cutler? When does it end...come on guys and gals!! I've been a Skins' fan since I was 10 years old(32 now) and I live in New York and even I can see this. Snyder and Cerreto have an obligation as mis-guided as it may be to keep the team profitable and winning. Coming from there prospective I can see why they would try the smoke and mirrors to acquire Cutler. It doesn't make it right or even the ethically correct way to say to Campbell..."We like you but we think we have a better chance with him"...but it is the business. Snyder will not change ...he will continue to make a big splash as with Jerry Jones its who they are. I'm glad I'm not a fan of a small market team though...lol. All I'm saying is as many mediorce and fustrating seasons we've had I can see why the front-office would pull the trigger on this. But as a Skins' fan from 360 miles away I can see giving Campbell a chance to succeed is in our best interest. Oh and one other thing for you Nay-Sayers out there... Cutler was sacked 11 times last season....any takers on how many times Campbell was sacked?????? 38 FREAKIN times!!!...come on does anyone see what platform Campbell would have been on is you throw 27 less sacks into the afe-forementioned stats??? My opinion it would have blown them out of the water!!! Any thoughs?? Hail!!!:logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMBAM30 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 yes...and that's why we need to put a good o-line and give him another year in this offense before we run him outta town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the12thSkin Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 what he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I said it before and I'll say it again. Numbers aside when it comes to one test, Cutler scores a much higher grade then Campbell and that's the "eyeball" test. Case in point? Through all this trade talk and all of the highlights been shown on NFL Network and ESPN you see Cutler throwing darts in the redzone for TD's. Then there's Campbell between the 20's, stalling, again. All of us want Campbell to succeed, but many of us don't see it happening. That being said. I think it's time to stop all of this Cutler talk because he's not coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Any this couldn't of been said in the other million Campbell threads why??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Any this couldn't of been said in the other million Campbell threads why??????? Truth be told....anything said is beside the point: the FO does not know how to build for long-term success. that is the real lesson learned after lo these many years. see Gints or Pats for better run teams. Skins' roster management has been and continues to be amateurish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsnut18231977 Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 I said it before and I'll say it again. Numbers aside when it comes to one test, Cutler scores a much higher grade then Campbell and that's the "eyeball" test.Case in point? Through all this trade talk and all of the highlights been shown on NFL Network and ESPN you see Cutler throwing darts in the redzone for TD's. Then there's Campbell between the 20's, stalling, again. All of us want Campbell to succeed, but many of us don't see it happening. That being said. I think it's time to stop all of this Cutler talk because he's not coming here. Yeah but your comparing apple to oranges...don't your see that not apples to apples...lol...look at culters numbers in his first full season under that offense compared to Campbells' .....you can't compare...inside the 20 or not just let it fly til the end of next season and THAN you might have an agruement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBnotBlades Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Cutler player 8 games (yes, half the schedule) against teams in the bottom 8 defensively last year and the highest ranked defensive team he played was Tampa Bay at #9. Campbell on the other hand played 8 games against the top 8 defenses in the league and 6 games against the top 4 (not including the skins D). If you take those games Campbell played against the steelers, ravens, giants, etc. and substitute in multiple games against the Raiders, Chiefs and Chargers (surprisingly ranked #25 defensively last year) I'm sure his stats would look much more comparable to Cutlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedpower Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 your also leaving out that JC has a better record as a starting QB then cutler by one game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 the eyeball test? :rotflmao: sorry but most don't know what they are seeing, or (more likely) see only what they want to see and as far as the darts in the redzone Cutler threw, you may want to get some glasses because Campbell was far more efficient inside the opponent's 20 yard line Cutler Campbell and remember as pointed out above, Cutler faced far inferior defenses all season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972FAN Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Any this couldn't of been said in the other million Campbell threads why??????? Yes enough already, Your not going to change anybodys mind either way. He's here move on~ geesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoleSkin21 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Good post, but I disagree on a few things. Sacks aren't always on the Oline. Jason holds onto the ball way too long. Guys with quick releases like cutler, hasselbeck and favre can cut down on sacks just getting rid of the ball. The Broncos run an offense very similar to ours, Shanahan, Holmgren and Zorn are cut from the same clothe of the WCO. The jury is out on Jason, and he needs to step it up for our aging team to be successful. It all hinges on him, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokieskins1 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Good post. I hope he lights it up this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Food for thought....... http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f4df92&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true Other interesting facts about Cutler:» He guided the second-ranked offense in the NFL. » He was No. 1 in fewest percentage of sacks, with 11 in 627 pass plays. That equates to one sack every 57 pass attempts. » He was No. 3 in the NFL in third-down efficiency, the "money" down. The average NFL team converted 39.5 percent of its third downs; Cutler converted 47.5 percent. » He was No. 3 in the AFC in yards per pass play (7.3). » He threw for more yards than Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Philip Rivers, Tony Romo sits to pee and Ben Roethlisberger, to name a few. » He had just two 100-yard rushing days from a running back all season: Peyton Hillis (129 against the Jets) and Michael Pittman (109 against the Jacksonville Jaguars). » He had eight games of 300-plus passing yards (five of those at 350 or more), connecting for 15 touchdowns in those contests. » Sure, he threw 18 interceptions, which is unacceptable, but his ratio of picks to attempts was 1:34, which tells a slightly different story. Last season, Brees had an interception every 37 pass attempts. Favre's ratio was 1:23, and Roethlisberger's was 1:31. Cutler's career ratio is 1:33. » Only Jacksonville's David Garrard threw more passes in the fourth quarter of games than Cutler, who completed 100 of 167 passes for 1,212 yards and 11 touchdowns with just four interceptions. Cutler is not a finished product, but when you consider his age, production (54 touchdown passes in 37 games) and contract, he has serious trade value. If Cutler is traded, the prorated signing bonus stays behind with Denver. Only his salary, workout bonus and likely-to-be-earned bonuses go to the new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Patty Wack Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Those are good points. I like the thread. There's just one problem. Eli hasn't come into his own. He's still an average QB on a great team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBnotBlades Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Case in point? Through all this trade talk and all of the highlights been shown on NFL Network and ESPN you see Cutler throwing darts in the redzone for TD's. Then there's Campbell between the 20's, stalling, again. We have remember that Cutlers running game was pretty weak this year too. The bronco's red zone offense had a much greater passing game component that ours did. When we were inside the 10 we'd bring in the Jumbo package and bust it up the middle while denver spread the field and put cutler in a shotgun. That's going to skew his TD's upwards as opposed to what he'd have playing in our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Any this couldn't of been said in the other million Campbell threads why??????? I know what you're saying, but reading that out loud is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedpower Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 i dont know if JC is going to be an elite QB or not but i do know im glad we didnt get Cutler, they have been running alot of highlights on him in the last week and on everyone of them you see him going to his first option, that guy was always open and while he was throwing it Cutler didnt have anyone near him trying to sack him. how many times did JC get that last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 the eyeball test?:rotflmao: sorry but most don't know what they are seeing, or more see only what they want to see and as far as the darts in the redzone Cutler threw, you may want to get some glasses because Campbell was far more efficient inside the opponent's 20 yard line Cutler Campbell Bubba, bubba, bubba. You are such a gullible little fellow. You believe everything that comes out of Snyderatto's mouth and you you can't seem to take those B&G colored glasses off and accept the fact that some Redskins players just can't cut it. Perhaps you should get some prescription lenses to help you with your cloudy vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedpower Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Good post, but I disagree on a few things. Sacks aren't always on the Oline. Jason holds onto the ball way too long. Guys with quick releases like cutler, hasselbeck and favre can cut down on sacks just getting rid of the ball. The Broncos run an offense very similar to ours, Shanahan, Holmgren and Zorn are cut from the same clothe of the WCO. The jury is out on Jason, and he needs to step it up for our aging team to be successful. It all hinges on him, imo. Favre is also the alltime leader in INTs and Cutler is on his way there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBnotBlades Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Bubba, bubba, bubba. You are such a gullible little fellow. You believe everything that comes out of Snyderatto's mouth and you you can't seem to take those B&G colored glasses off and accept the fact that some Redskins players just can't cut it. Perhaps you should get some prescription lenses to help you with your cloudy vision. He just listed cold hard facts. Specific numbers in the red zone that showed Campbell out performed cutler in that area of the field. He may have rose colored glasses, but that post wasn't an example of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972FAN Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 You know this is a pointless thread, his point is to convince some people who were for the trade that Campbell is a better QB?, Sorry other people may think differently and they dont need to be convince their wrong and your right, its their point of view if you don't like cutler boards move on, don't read them. I for one was in favor of the trade. But Campbell is here So he's the QB thats it end of story. move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SittingBull Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 KingGibbs...snyderatto actually agreed with you and wanted to ship Campbell out of here, not the other way around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Bubba, bubba, bubba. You are such a gullible little fellow. You believe everything that comes out of Snyderatto's mouth and you you can't seem to take those B&G colored glasses off and accept the fact that some Redskins players just can't cut it. Perhaps you should get some prescription lenses to help you with your cloudy vision. boy you are batting a thousand today, once again you completely ignore what was posted just to childishly attack me and my creditability as if that changes the facts posted. The "you're a homer routine is kind of old and pointless" especially when the post dealt with actual FACTS! the usual "debate" tactic of someone who feels his position is threatened, and can't logically dispute the facts presented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 He just listed cold hard facts. Specific numbers in the red zone that showed Campbell out performed cutler in that area of the field. He may have rose colored glasses, but that post wasn't an example of it. some people can't deal with the truth, especially when it doesn't agree with what they want to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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