SI.com: Why Broncos nixed Redskins, Browns deals

[Bang]

classic line :hysterical:

I see a new Bang Cartoon coming soon

There is, I plan on starting it this weekend. For those who remember the REALLY old days,, remember poking a Bear fan with a stick?

Well, a little bit of role reversal is in order.

:cool2:

~Bang

[TheLongshot]

Re: JLC: Redskins Trying to Land Cutler (Updated)

MaCdanials does not want JC he wants somebody he can mold. He has had his eyes on somebody for a long time, and its not JC!!!

Has you can see we where talking about this 3 days ago. JC was the reason Cutler is not in DC right now!!! we all knew no one wanted him. I know it sucks for us.

I didn't know that Denver was considered all the teams in the NFL.

[Xero21]

Wait, am I reading this wrong?

"In the end, Denver did not want Jason Campbell. And that's why Jay Cutler is headed to Chicago. According to a source involved in the discussions, the Redskins were closing in on a three-way deal Thursday afternoon that involved Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn going to Denver."

It says that Denver did not want Campbell, and that's why the deal fell through, but Denver was going to get Quinn and not Campbell?

So then why did the deal fall through?

[CrypticVillain]

Bang, that post is so full of win.

"screwed the pooch" llam

[HeHateMe]

Sheesh. Poor JC.

Look on the bright side, what doesn't kill him should only make him stronger.

But seriously, that was a steep price and I think the Redskins are in a better position with Campbell AND those picks than Cutler without those picks.

[PCS]

The saying "The truth lies somewhere in the middle" seems to be meant for times like this.

[AirMayo21]

Just goes to show that JC isn't valued in the NFL. I mean, Orton over Campbell. At the beginning of last year, I'm not going to lie, I didn't even know who Kyle Orton was.

[TheLongshot]

Just goes to show that JC isn't valued in the NFL. I mean, Orton over Campbell. At the beginning of last year, I'm not going to lie, I didn't even know who Kyle Orton was.

Again, where does Denver = the whole NFL?

At the very least, Cleveland thought Campbell was valuable to include him in this deal.

[No Excuses]

Denver dug itself this hole by offering Cutler for Cassell. They wanted to trade a bonafide young Pro Bowl QB for a one year wonder. I'm not a Campbell fan but he is much better than Orton at everything.

[skinsarethebest]

C'mon, Jason. I hope you light it up when the Broncos come to town. Prove those d-bags wrong with a 5TD, 400 yd passing performance.

HTTR!

[DRSmith]

I heard they also wanted Pez and his chicken wings

[Cruemans]

Man I misread that. I thought you said prove those d-bags wrong with an std!

[Art]

Wow, what a tremendous surprise. The exact same report from a different media source. Huh. It's almost like these guys are writing stuff for each other.

[Art]

Wait, am I reading this wrong?

"In the end, Denver did not want Jason Campbell. And that's why Jay Cutler is headed to Chicago. According to a source involved in the discussions, the Redskins were closing in on a three-way deal Thursday afternoon that involved Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn going to Denver."

It says that Denver did not want Campbell, and that's why the deal fell through, but Denver was going to get Quinn and not Campbell?

So then why did the deal fall through?

Ding.

Ding.

Ding.

People baffle me.

This ain't hard fellas.

CAMPBELL WAS NEVER INVOLVED in the ONE deal we actually were involved with. ONCE that fell through, Denver told everyone who'd listen we were giving them Campbell and two firsts and to be ready for a news announcement in 20 minutes.

And, then, hey, the Bears improved their offer.

Well played Broncos. Suckered Bears.

[zCommander]

Yet you have a segment of the Redskins fanbase who call others "haters" because we see what the rest of the league sees.

You are a hater. I tell you. Right.

[Skin Deep]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but doesn't this show Cutlers' clout vs. Campbells? Essentially the same thing has now been done to Campbell as was done to Cutler to cause Jay to force a trade. But it's highly unlikely Campbell could act in the same manner. Does that point give some perspective of the perceived talent level of these two players?

If we're honest with each other, the jury's pretty much still out on Campbell, and this will be his year to make or break himself. I think the league is pretty much convinced that Cutler can be very productive against NFL defenses week in and week out.

[modazfuk]

Wait, am I reading this wrong?

"In the end, Denver did not want Jason Campbell. And that's why Jay Cutler is headed to Chicago. According to a source involved in the discussions, the Redskins were closing in on a three-way deal Thursday afternoon that involved Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn going to Denver."

It says that Denver did not want Campbell, and that's why the deal fell through, but Denver was going to get Quinn and not Campbell?

So then why did the deal fall through?

We could have figured out on our own Denver did not want Campbell hence the bringing in of the Browns who have a QB Denver wanted more than Orton.

What is unknown is what caused the Browns to develop "cold feet" at the last minute? The 3-way deal fell apart because of the Browns - not because of the Bears.

[PCS]

Wait, am I reading this wrong?

"In the end, Denver did not want Jason Campbell. And that's why Jay Cutler is headed to Chicago. According to a source involved in the discussions, the Redskins were closing in on a three-way deal Thursday afternoon that involved Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn going to Denver."

It says that Denver did not want Campbell, and that's why the deal fell through, but Denver was going to get Quinn and not Campbell?

So then why did the deal fall through?

:rubeyes: I had to read that 4 times just to make sure I was reading that right. Good catch. Unsure if that was just an oops in the editing or somebody really got them self all kinds of confused,(more so than I even. ).

[Skin Deep]

What is unknown is what caused the Browns to develop "cold feet" at the last minute? The 3-way deal fell apart because of the Browns - not because of the Bears.

Good point. This has yet to be discussed, except perhaps in Cleveland.

[Jimbo]

Ding.

Ding.

Ding.

People baffle me.

This ain't hard fellas.

CAMPBELL WAS NEVER INVOLVED in the ONE deal we actually were involved with. ONCE that fell through, Denver told everyone who'd listen we were giving them Campbell and two firsts and to be ready for a news announcement in 20 minutes.

And, then, hey, the Bears improved their offer.

Well played Broncos. Suckered Bears.

Perhaps this explains why a friend in Cleveland told me the Browns wanted Cooley and our 2nd round pick in 2010 but Denver also wanted that 2nd round pick in 2010 in addition to our first round picks this year and next year. I had "assumed" Campbell was supposed to be part of that trade and so did he. I'm guessing the Broncos would have thrown that 5th round pick that went to the Bears at the Browns.

My friend swears he had "inside" info from the Browns that the trade was to go like this. (I didn't believe a word of it so I never bothered to mention it yesterday).

Cleveland was going to get Campbell and Cooley (and possibly that 5th round pick from Broncos)

Denver was going to get Quinn, 2009 first round pick, 2010 first round pick and 2010 second round pick.

Skins just get Cutler.

He swears the unraveling was that the Browns wanted that 2010 2nd round pick and so did the Broncos. Now I'm wondering if that was in lieu of Campbell.

If any of this probable garbage is true then that trade for Taylor last year could have been what prevented this from happening. Then again, that's an awful lot to give up and I don't see how we could have traded Cooley without incurring a huge cap hit.

[PeterMP]

Why do we respect the opinion of the Broncos? Unless I miss my guess, they just pissed off the Elway Heir they've been desperate for going on ten years now, and are now looking at Kyle Orton as their QB.

The picks they got will have to be used in large part to shore up an appalling defense, (29th overall. :pooh:) with the hope they'll improve enough to compensate for the significant downgrade at QB. Last year they're second in the NFL on offense, 3rd overall in passing. And remember, seven RBs went to IR. Does anyone honestly think Orton's getting that kind of production?

Consider their defense is SO bad that they HAD to be that kind of offense to just break even at 8-8.

They screwed the pooch with Cutler, and have weakened their team considerably. IF they get immediate production out of the defense one would think they'll use these picks on, how good will that D have to get to make the team a contender?

There's no reason at all that we should feel embarrassed because the Denver Broncos didn't want our quarterback. Hell, they didn't want THEIR quarterback, and he's one of the most promising players in the league. If anything we should be relieved they don't think much of JC. It's a better omen.

~Bang

Just because they don't know how to manage personalities at all doesn't mean that they can't evaluate QBs.

I'm not saying they were right or wrong (or even that this truth or rumor is the truth), but I know a number of people that are really good at doing something individually, but if you give them a group of people and expect them to scale up what they are doing based on the group that they fail miserably because they can't manage people.

Just because they can't manage a QB doesn't mean that they can't look at one and tell you if he's going to be good or not.

[Art]

The deal was not that hefty.

Cooley, Campbell, two firsts and a second for Cutler? Uh. Noppers. Not even close. I do believe it's totally accurate Cleveland felt it wasn't getting enough.

[Xero21]

We could have figured out on our own Denver did not want Campbell hence the bringing in of the Browns who have a QB Denver wanted more than Orton.

What is unknown is what caused the Browns to develop "cold feet" at the last minute? The 3-way deal fell apart because of the Browns - not because of the Bears.

I get that, but as Art and Park City Skins have noticed too, the article does not make sense.

It says that, because Denver did not want Campbell, the 3-way deal was not completed, thus allowing Chicago to get back into trade talks with the Broncos.

However, according to the details of the deal, it says that Denver was never even offered Campbell; Brady Quinn was the guy that was supposed to go to Denver.

So what really happened to make the deal fall through? Was there even a 3 way deal? Was Cleveland the team that really did not want Campbell? It doesn't add up.

[Skin Deep]

Cooley, Campbell, two firsts and a second for Cutler? Uh. Noppers.

I think Redskin Nation would have absolutely self-destructed if that was given away in exchange. Wow.

[modazfuk]

I get that, but as Art and Park City Skins have noticed too, the article does not make sense.

It says that, because Denver did not want Campbell, the 3-way deal was not completed, thus allowing Chicago to get back into trade talks with the Broncos.

However, according to the details of the deal, it says that Denver was never even offered Campbell; Brady Quinn was the guy that was supposed to go to Denver.

So what really happened to make the deal fall through? Was there even a 3 way deal? Was Cleveland the team that really did not want Campbell? It doesn't add up.

Yeah, the author of the article seems mixed up. Denver appeared to be sitting pretty with the draft picks + Quinn, so they weren't the road block.

But as Art just said up above, "I do believe it's totally accurate Cleveland felt it wasn't getting enough."

It makes perfect sense that there was a 3-way deal with the Browns being key.

What everyone wants to know is what did Snyder offer (in addition to the Broncos offer) to the Browns and why didn't he up the ante or perhaps he was powerless to do so? (shrug)