The campbell smoke screen?

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

This whole Cutler scenario got me thinking, why trade for a QB when you have a QB that you believe is so good that you give him the same pass as you would a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and so on? And that same pass is he is uncontested for the starting job at QB. If you have the remote belief that he is, or could be as good, or even close to Cutler, there would be no need to give up a lot for what would be a slight upgrade.

Which brings me to my point.

The Skins have been putting out a false positive on JC in order to keep his value as high as possible for trade purposes, the fact the Cutler became available pretty much opened the door on their true evaluation of JC. It should also mean that if JC does not get traded the verdict will probably be out and the Skins will have to swallow the fact that they will not get much in return and open up the QB competition, which will pave the way for Colt. I just can't see it going any other way at this point, you can't guarantee the QB spot to a QB you tried to trade for as little as a 2nd rd pick. [although speculative right now]

The cat is officially out of the bag on JC in DC, but judging from the response, or lack there of from other teams on his availability, it has been for a while around the rest of the NFL.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Time will tell HH, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the organisation brush this off and put up the "business as usual" signs.

Zorn has already decreed Jason's the undisputed starter, in the face of everything to the contrary, and that was before the final curtain had even fallen on the '08 season.

I couldn't agree more that it's a complete joke of a situation all round, but it is what it is.

Your last sentence is the most telling there. When there's strong reports that Denver rate both Kyle Orten and Brady Quinn over our own starting QB, what does' that say about the guy outside of DC?

Only on these boards could so little be defended by so many; and a missed opportunity to tie up the position for the next 10 years with something we've not had in eons, a franchise QB, be celebrated so hard.

Hail.

[TSO]

Time will tell HH, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the organisation brush this off and put up the "business as usual" signs.

Zorn has already decreed Jason's the undisputed starter, in the face of everything to the contrary, and that was before the final curtain had even fallen on the '08 season.

I couldn't agree more that it's a complete joke of a situation all round, but it is what it is.

Your last sentence is the most telling there. When there's strong reports that Denver rate both Kyle Orten and Brady Quinn over our own starting QB, what does' that say about the guy outside of DC?

Only on these boards could so little be defended by so many; and a missed opportunity to tie up the position for the next 10 years with something we've not had in eons, a franchise QB, be celebrated so hard.

Hail.

If you don't mind me asking, what strong reports? What quotes do you have, and why are they considered strong to you?

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Time will tell HH, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the organisation brush this off and put up the "business as usual" signs.

Zorn has already decreed Jason's the undisputed starter, in the face of everything to the contrary, and that was before the final curtain had even fallen on the '08 season.

I couldn't agree more that it's a complete joke of a situation all round, but it is what it is.

Your last sentence is the most telling there. When there's strong reports that Denver rate both Kyle Orten and Brady Quinn over our own starting QB, what does' that say about the guy outside of DC?

Only on these boards could so little be defended by so many; and a missed opportunity to tie up the position for the next 10 years with something we've not had in eons, a franchise QB, be celebrated so hard.

Hail.

That is what you do to keep the value of your QB intact, have your head coach voice his approval to all that will listen heading into the off season. It may have been genuine, but it sounds more contrived every day these rumors persist. Talk to any good coach, or personnel man in the NFL and they will all tell you, competition is what makes guy's better, why then would we remove that motivation from a player who clearly needs to get better? IMO something more to it than meets the eye.

[FrFan]

Problems are, other teams would only offer a secound round for a first round draft pick QB, and the FO is reluctant to sign him to a long term deal. So far there is no way he is the QB of the future.

[Veretax]

Time will tell HH, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the organisation brush this off and put up the "business as usual" signs.

Zorn has already decreed Jason's the undisputed starter, in the face of everything to the contrary, and that was before the final curtain had even fallen on the '08 season.

I couldn't agree more that it's a complete joke of a situation all round, but it is what it is.

Your last sentence is the most telling there. When there's strong reports that Denver rate both Kyle Orten and Brady Quinn over our own starting QB, what does' that say about the guy outside of DC?

Only on these boards could so little be defended by so many; and a missed opportunity to tie up the position for the next 10 years with something we've not had in eons, a franchise QB, be celebrated so hard.

Hail.

I shake my head at this statement. Why would Denver be more interested in Quinn? Two words, Weiss, and Crennel. If Quinn came from any other College system, he'd not have been considered. Furthermore, Orton? Nah, they, Denver, just like taking it to someone in the trade. Its the only way they can save face.

If you honestly think they think Orton and QUinn are better than JC, then you are mistaken, just remember not EVERY QB is good for every system.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

I shake my head at this statement. Why would Denver be more interested in Quinn? Two words, Weiss, and Crennel. If Quinn came from any other College system, he'd not have been considered. Furthermore, Orton? Nah, they, Denver, just like taking it to someone in the trade. Its the only way they can save face.

If you honestly think they think Orton and QUinn are better than JC, then you are mistaken, just remember not EVERY QB is good for every system.

Quinn who has had nothing but Belichik proteges coaching him for the last 4 years isn't good for McDaniel's system? You got me scratching my head?:whoknows:

Which system is JC qualified for? By the way.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Quinn who has had nothing but Belichik proteges coaching him for the last 4 years isn't good for McDaniel's system? You got me scratching my head?:whoknows:

Which system is JC qualified for? By the way.

That has always bothered me. What system is good for JC? Other QBs seem to be able to adapt.

[Veretax]

Quinn who has had nothing but Belichik proteges coaching him for the last 4 years isn't good for McDaniel's system? You got me scratching my head?:whoknows:

Which system is JC qualified for? By the way.

I think you somehow missed my point. If not for those 4 years in the Belichek System, QUin isn't even in the discussion. Period, its not even close. That's the only reason McDaniels is interested, because all he wanted was a 'system' QB, and that is what Orton is too.

I honestly never thought JC was a fit for Denver's system, and I don't think that because of that, that JC's value is diminished, now the rumor that we've been shopping him for over a year, if that is true, that diminishes his value more than what has just happened if you ask me.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

I think you somehow missed my point. If not for those 4 years in the Belichek System, QUin isn't even in the discussion. Period, its not even close. That's the only reason McDaniels is interested, because all he wanted was a 'system' QB, and that is what Orton is too.

I honestly never thought JC was a fit for Denver's system, and I don't think that because of that, that JC's value is diminished, now the rumor that we've been shopping him for over a year, if that is true, that diminishes his value more than what has just happened if you ask me.

Haven't heard that rumor? Shopping him for over a year? Boy did I pick the right title for this thread!

If in fact that is the case which I find hard to believe, [just because rumors at some point would have had to leak out to some extent before Cutler became avail.] then the JC experiment has been 1 giant charade, and it probably started the moment every one saw Collins step in and do what JC couldn't, and no one thought that highly of Collins, at least as a perspective starter.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Good post, exactly what I was thinking as well.

Campbell is what he is. All bets are off for the guaranteed starting role, I hope.

My expectations are totally different now. Unless Brennan pulls a Tom Brady, we are in the same place we were, in 2005. No franchise QB.

[benskins26]

Good post, exactly what I was thinking as well.

Campbell is what he is. All bets are off for the guaranteed starting role, I hope.

My expectations are totally different now. Unless Brennan pulls a Tom Brady, we are in the same place we were, in 2005. No franchise QB.

Ditto. I've been so depressed the last 12 hours or so. It's like all of a sudden I've just realized how bad a situation we are in.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

If you don't mind me asking, what strong reports? What quotes do you have, and why are they considered strong to you?

ESPN, both on sportscenter and the radio were saying the same, as the Examiner reported, and a Celveland paper. There's a thread running with the two paper quotes.

I shake my head at this statement. Why would Denver be more interested in Quinn? Two words, Weiss, and Crennel. If Quinn came from any other College system, he'd not have been considered. Furthermore, Orton? Nah, they, Denver, just like taking it to someone in the trade. Its the only way they can save face.

If you honestly think they think Orton and QUinn are better than JC, then you are mistaken, just remember not EVERY QB is good for every system.

Not my views, Denver's. See above. I'd give you the system argument if Denver hadn't been reported from various sources as not wanting Campbell, yet they take Orton. Go figure. :doh:. (Although who can say what Quinn will be in the pro's, as we've seen very little of him to date with his injury last year.).

Hail.

[Veretax]

Haven't heard that rumor? Shopping him for over a year? Boy did I pick the right title for this thread!

If in fact that is the case which I find hard to believe' date=' [just because rumors at some point would have had to leak out to some extent before Cutler became avail.'] then the JC experiment has been 1 giant charade, and it probably started the moment every one saw Collins step in and do what JC couldn't, and no one thought that highly of Collins, at least as a perspective starter.

Yeah I believe the source of that story came via the same guy that worked for the Examiner and thought we had a done deal with Cutler. So take it with a grain of salt.

ESPN, both on sportscenter and the radio were saying the same, as the Examiner reported, and a Celveland paper. There's a thread running with the two paper quotes.

Not my views, Denver's. See above. I'd give you the system argument if Denver hadn't been reported from various sources as not wanting Campbell, yet they take Orton. Go figure. :doh:. (Although who can say what Quinn will be in the pro's, as we've seen very little of him to date with his injury last year.).

Hail.

Mangini is saying no way they were going to trade Quinn now, so I don't know who to believe. However, yes I remember some reports about JC, but I also believe that knowing why McDaniels wanted Cassel is important. Was cassel such a great QB? He couldn't beat out Matt Leinart was it? Cassel had a lot of time in the system in NE, he had MOss, Gaffney, Welker, and an Experienced OL, and no joke, he was not as good as Brady because brady had that offense down to a rythmic science. Yet McDaniels favored him over cutler? why? Because Cassel was familiar with his system. Why would he favor Orton over JC? Because Orton looks like he might fit in their system better.

Please understand that when teams evaluate QBs, they have to consider the system. Garcia is a good QB, but outside of a WCO, he'd be awful. Some QBs are just better fits for different systems, and I think that's the case here. JC was not a good fit for the style McDaniels wanted.

Of couse I've never bought the McDaniels hype to begin with. of all the Belichek Knock off coaches, Weiss, Crennel, magnini, none of them have ever really shown me anything to make me believe that NE was anything but the personnel, and based on Bill's mindshare.

Look now. Crennel Is Gone. Weiss has become a near laughing stock since Willingham's recruits left. McDaniels has a LOT more to prove I think, than these other guys who worked under bellicheck for longer.

Now I do think Quinn could be a good QB in the right place, he is still very young, and needs time to grow, but Cleveland sat him most of last year, and he got hurt (that's not his fault). If you gave me as a GM the choice of Orton, JC, and Quinn, I'd probably still pick Quinn, because Quinn, has more potential to mold. JC unfortunately has that stigma of needing time to learn the offense due to (what is it 5/7 systems since college?)

I'd not have him below Orton though, orton is more of a Brunnel game manager type than JC is right now. Might that Change in McD system, I don't know, but I do think Denver gave Jay Cutler his wish by sending him to Chicago, and I hope he likes the home cooking, cause he's not going anywhere for at least two years, they jsut don't have the tools offensively to compete with the vikings and packers right now. (that could change of couse, but as a Packer fan as well as a Skins fan I laughed at the bears for giving up so much for the guy.)

[wvtbred]

Call KC and offer Jason for Tyler Thigpen