Art Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 There are only three people in the Redskins organization who speak at this point. Snyder (who never speaks to anyone)' date=' Vinny (who uses his radio show for propaganda/tampering), and Karl (who says what Snyder tells him to say).The Redskins are the Nixon White House. And Zorn is Henry Kissinger over in the corner saying, "I'm not involved in those discussions."[/quote'] Every team is tightly held, when it wishes to be. We're no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Every team is tightly held, when it wishes to be. We're no different. The one thing the Redskins do not have is a pet reporter who leaks everything they want in the mainstream media. Belichik, Parcells, and Bretty Favre always had Peter King. The Steelers have Ed Bouchette and used to use Pasquerelli. The Giants seem to leak everything through Jay Glazer. I think Telander is the Bears' guy. So, these other teams control the process by getting some made media man to put the "official" spin on the story they want. The Redskins don't do this so everyone just speculates wildly all the time about everything. They are really remarkably bad at controlling the message at the Park. If they actually had a relationship with the Post, the simple article would be "The Redskins are preparing for the draft, and have not been involved with Denver." Then, if it happens...gotcha....and if it doesn't...it never existed. People still believe the Lance Briggs story for this reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 FWIW The Redskins spokesman repeatedly denied the rumors of a trade Zorn called JC to tell him not to worry and Campbell said he ran into Vinny in the hallway after his morning workout and Vinny told him not to worry, he wasn't being traded as far as Cutler since he wasn't in contact with the Broncos, He could have easily assumed he was going to the Redskins because of the media hype, the Bears were never mentioned as a team involved. We were lead to believe it was a bidding war between us and the Bucs, and Danny wouldn't be outbid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 The Post doesn't want a relationship with the team. The team had a relationship with the Post and the Post pulled it away. But, the team does have people it has used for stories it wants. Though, you're right, they haven't been great about getting in front of it. In this case, I'd have had a friendly reporter write the Redskins contacted Denver about Cutler but found the asking price too high and backed out. That doesn't have to be true, either. If nothing comes of it, the story can stand. If the Skins get Cutler, they leak to the same guy the deal was too good to pass up and he still gets the story. I would do that too. They don't. What can you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 I respect you guys alot Bubba and Art but i have to disagree. Skins pressed hard for Cutler and did alot more than knock on the door and not walk through. Skins pretty much went all in with what they could and that was 2 1st round picks and Jason going to either clevland or denver. im not saying what your saying is wrong. I think its just one of those deals where we got different info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 The Skins didn't come in second. They knocked on the door and didn't come in at all. But, the media has too much on the line now to figure that out. The people in the media were using themselves as sources much of the day. Once two people write it, it's public, and you can write it. There is NO question the Redskins called the Broncos. Everything else is open for question. Anytime I watched ESPN, all I was hearing about was the Redskins. Other teams were mentioned, but they kept referring to "what Snyder wants, Snyder gets", so they dismissed the other teams. Snyder's reputation is always going to trump any other story. Course, they have a lot of past history on their side with such things. Most of the reporters should have just stuck to their initial impressions that the Skins weren't going to do it, and why should they? When have I mentioned JLC in this thread?I will now. One thing JLC did do incorrectly is not talk to anyone with the team he covers. Apparently people in Denver like talking. Is Washington so tight knit that no member of the press could get a single member in the know within the organization to tell them anything, off the record or not? Every single thing reported in the whole Cutler thing came from OUTSIDE the team.Isn't that strange? There's been no damage at all since the trade with Chicago for Cutler took place. I'd be surprised if the team called in for Cutler. The team doesn't need to deny they checked in for Cutler to make a statement of reasonable intelligence on the matter."When Denver announced they were trading their 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback who is under contract for three more seasons, we weighed our situation with Jason, entering his final season, and checked in to see what the price might be. When we heard, we were not that active in the experience, though we understand many came to that belief due to what people outside this organization were saying." Art, Skins went after Cutler and hard. Cutler was even telling people he was coming to Washington. Skins percieved Campbell to be worth more and today he wasnt a good enough barganing chip to get it done. Leap,Skins went after Cutler, but not that hard. And, you're right, we presumed more value in Campbell, which is why we never even offered Campbell and two firsts, I assure you. But, Denver convinced many that we were. Including Cutler. There's a reason the Bears added a third rounder at the end. Hey Art, that quote I have bolded "When Denver announced they were..." where is it from? As for everything else... why is it that noone is listening to reason here? Pretty much everything you guys are saying seems more likely than anything the media has speculated (and that's all it has been, no direct quotes or anything). Furthermore, this actually shows that we value Campbell and not the other way around, yet every other post on ES seems to be about how much we distrust Campbell. I don't get it. It's maddening! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Leap. I love the information you provide here and you have legitimate information here, but, on this, the sources you have would not have any actual data, because, as has been stated, such sources are not actually involved. For the record, BEFORE the Chicago deal happened, PFT spoke to a team source who told them to be careful think he was coming to us. Before the deal with Chicago happened, apparently Jason and Vinny spoke according to one article where Vinny told Jason nothing was happening. Before the deal with Chicago took place, reports were we were going to get him for Campbell and two firsts, with the sourcing being Denver on that. Then, suddenly Chicago has him and a third thrown in. Then, we find out the most likely deal involving us was a three way deal with Cleveland. It was never two firsts and Campbell on our part is my view. And given how things went down, it's difficult to think it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Hey Art, that quote I have bolded "When Denver announced they were..." where is it from? As for everything else... why is it that noone is listening to reason here? Pretty much everything you guys are saying seems more likely than anything the media has speculated (and that's all it has been, no direct quotes or anything). Furthermore, this actually shows that we value Campbell and not the other way around, yet every other post on ES seems to be about how much we distrust Campbell. I don't get it. It's maddening! :mad: The Broncos released a statement they would try to trade Cutler. That's how the Cutler stuff heated up the last couple days. If you mean where the whole quote came from, my head. I wrote that as an example of an intelligent response the team could write today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/02/redskins-qb-campbell-gets-lesson-on-nfl-business/ I just got off the phone with Redskins QB Jason Campbell, who found himself in the middle of the Jay Cutler saga as his name was mentioned in trade talks. Campbell saw Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato in the hallway of the team complex today, and he tried to calm the quarterback’s nerves, but the Cutler-to-Washington rumors still lingered for most of the day. One report even had the deal as imminent. http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-9-14/Campbell--Coach-Zorn-is-behind-me.html Campbell spent some time in head coach Jim Zorn's office this afternoon. It sounds like Zorn offered some reassuring words."That meant a lot to me," Campbell said, "to know that he's behind me and he's been behind me all along. You need to have that trust with your head coach because he's the one I'm going to be dealing with most of the time. I know that the coaches and my teammates are behind me. I trust them. That means a lot to me." http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors The Washington Redskins have popped up frequently as a likely trade partner even before the official announcement on Tuesday. This idea was buttressed last night by the Pro Football Talk rumor that the team's owner Daniel Snyder spent Wednesday huddled with vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and head coach Jim Zorn in order to hash out what the team's thinking was on a potential trade.This leaves Jason Campbell, who the team selected in the first round of the 2005 draft, in a tricky spot. Speaking at a Washington Capitals hockey game last night to Brett Haber of WUSA-TV, Campbell was as quick to cite his enjoyment of the hockey experience as he was to remind everyone that rumors are just that until they become fact, saying, "right now I'm still the starting quarterback of the Redskins." Asked subsequently if he would like to remain with the team in some capacity other than the starting quarterback, Campbell quickly retorted, "No, I'm a starter... I'm a starter in this league." ESPN's Chris Mortensen has reported that the Broncos want two first-round picks in trade, and wouldn't necessarily need a starting-caliber quarterback in return. However, with the Redskins short on draft picks this year - they have just five total, including one compensatory pick that is No. 243 overall - a swap with Denver would almost certainly include Campbell. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/04/02/ST2009040201930.html One NFL source said the Redskins were trying to complete the deal as quickly as possible, although at least two other teams, the New York Jets and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, were also reportedly interested in acquiring Cutler. An official with an NFL team that has been in touch with Denver said the Broncos told his club they would want at least two first-round draft picks for the two-year starter, confirming a report by ESPN's Chris Mortensen.The Redskins have declined to comment on the reports. The NFL source said Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder has been pushing for the trade in an attempt to solve the team's decades-long pursuit of a franchise quarterback. Another NFL source said a high-ranking Redskins official contacted one NFL team Wednesday about the possibility of trading quarterback Jason Campbell for a second-round pick in the upcoming draft. That source said he interpreted the Redskins' overture as an attempt by Washington to put together a package to acquire Cutler. Redskins spokesman Zack Bolno denied the team had inquired about dealing Campbell. Redskins officials have repeatedly publicly denied interest in Cutler. Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, said March 17 that the team was not pursuing Cutler, and Coach Jim Zorn dismissed the notion while meeting with reporters last week at the NFL owners' meetings in Dana Point, Calif. If the Redskins fail to acquire Cutler, they risk alienating Campbell, who has been the starter the past two seasons. Campbell said Wednesday that he wants to stay in Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzyskins Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 People hate on JLC because he tells you things you don't want to hear. The team has no idea what its doing 95% of the time. Why should he cover their ass? He doesn't work for the Skins. He just reports on their ineptitude..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruemans Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 yeah, I know I would be missed around here. If you notice, I wasn't online when all this went down. I had to make sure this deal didn't happen. Mission accomplished. If only we had a crystal ball to see how the next couple seasons play out. hail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 People hate on JLC because he tells you things you don't want to hear. The team has no idea what its doing 95% of the time. Why should he cover their ass? He doesn't work for the Skins. He just reports on their ineptitude..... Doubtful. People would love real, tangible, true insider information from Jason, regardless of what it was. We don't often get that, sadly. We expect more of Jason than to be watching NBC break the Zorn hire and have him blog Zorn is a possibility as if he came up with it. Jason should be well placed to make relationships that get him some seriously good stuff from INSIDE the team. He's merely chosen to ignore cultivation of any of those relationships and blogs from inside the Redskins in a uniquely outsider fashion. If I lived in D.C. I'd OWN the Redskins beat, because I actually would know how to cultivate sources. This includes suspecting or thinking or even knowing something to be so and holding it back to improve the flow of information. When you demostrate little discretion, you are not informed discretely of much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 People hate on JLC because he tells you things you don't want to hear. The team has no idea what its doing 95% of the time. Why should he cover their ass? He doesn't work for the Skins. He just reports on their ineptitude..... JLC says matter-of-factly what is going to happen like he has inside knwledge. Remember our coaching search fiasco? He said point-blank the next coach is: Steve Spagnolo... then Jim Schwartz.... then Bill Cowher.... then Most definitely... Redskins will announce HC to be Jim Fassell... turns out to be Jim Zorn... He makes claimes like he's got some inside knowledge we don't have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideshow24 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 I thought this was some of JLC best journalism he's done since being with the post. He was the first i heard to break the news of Cutler possibly coming to Washington. He then later updated saying that the redskins were making a very strong push to get cutler. Based on past business moves within the organization, I think that he was pretty justified in predicting that he would sign with us in the next day or two. Honestly, to me, it sounds to me that your just bitter we didnt sign Cutler. I didn't want Cutler and still think JLC is a whiny, annoying, know nothing know it all. As soon as Denver wanted two number 1's we were out of it I bet and no one bothered to tell Mr. "Insider." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 JLC says matter-of-factly what is going to happen like he has inside knwledge.Remember our coaching search fiasco? He said point-blank the next coach is: Steve Spagnolo... then Jim Schwartz.... then Bill Cowher.... then Most definitely... Redskins will announce HC to be Jim Fassell... turns out to be Jim Zorn... He makes claimes like he's got some inside knowledge we don't have... And don't forget, he has such impeccable sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 JLC guesses.... and claims he has insider info... His credibility is... no longer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 And don't forget, he has such impeccable sources. His sources are probably Madden '09. It happened on there and he reports it like real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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