Om Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Is Jay Cutler Worth the Risk? April 2, 2009 According to multiple sources, the Redskins are actively pursuing a trade for Denver QB Jay Culter. Yesterday at this time I thought that rumor was off the table and had moved on to other things–the draft, preseason schedule, being just days away from sleeping with the windows open for the two weeks Spring lasts in the D.C. area. As of last night however, the rumor was not only back on the table, but a flashing neon centerpiece. So at the risk of publishing while the news cycle is still spinning and having this all rendered moot before the pixels dry ... Thoughts and observations, shotgun-style: Effect on Jason Campbell Count on Campbell and/or his agent being on the phone to Cerrato since last night trying to find out whether the buzz has merit. If the Redskins are seriously pursuing Cutler, they have two choices in how to respond: they can lie to his face, or tell him the truth. The former becomes a problem only if the Cutler deal doesn’t materialize and word filters back to Campbell that the Redskins were in fact trying to make the deal. The latter—telling him the truth—would put Campbell in the unenviable and difficult position of knowing his team has lost faith in him. Sound familiar? Effect in the Locker Room To hear tell, Jason Campbell is popular with and has the confidence of his teammates. So in trying to decide if they should bring in Jay Cutler, the team may or may not want to poll the team leaders in the locker room ... CLICK HERE to read more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommd Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Good take Om. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 the kid is not worth multiple high draft picks AND jason Campbell ...its that simple. we are not talking Brees, or Rivers, or Palmer... Cutler played a super weak scedule last year...the best D he faced was ranked 9. I think with those opponents JC would have had a similiar season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HA1LV1CT0RY Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 That was actually the best article I've read about this entire situation. It definitely showed all aspects of the move, and I think we need an offensive spark, and as much potential as I see in Campbell, and how he's been bounced around in systems, and has the confidence of his teammates, and I will still support him with or without cutler, he doesn't strike me as explosive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Bleeder Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 JC is def not an explosive QB but niether was Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson, build a TEAM around this kid and let him shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Awesome article Om. I agree with you on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Way to go out on a limb OM and say "maybe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HA1LV1CT0RY Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 JC is def not an explosive QB but niether was Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson, build a TEAM around this kid and let him shine. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNatsFan Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I didn't see you address the potential additional compensation. If it were a one for one deal AND the front office has actually done their due diligence, maybe I'm on board. But to also lose a first rounder, and maybe more? I don't see that it's worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 It is one thing to take a chance on a guy with a lot of questions hanging over him, it is quite another to mortgage the franchise on one. When the comments are swirling around about trading multiple high draft picks AND our QB for guy that ever even has the expression "hypersensitive knucklehead" mentioned in connection with him, whether true or not, you have to figure it just isn't a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Good write-up, Om. You caught all the angles. I also admit to cooling a little on JC; his performance in the 2nd half of 2008 was not encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Bleeder Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were awful. And both have rings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Great, impartial take as always Mark. Nice read. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Johnson actually was an explosive QB for us early in 1999 before his arm went dead. There's no question you can win effectively with an efficient manager of a game like Brad Johnson in Tampa, Dilfer in Baltimore or, hell, even Collins now in Tennessee. The question is, can you win routinely? Is it enough to have Campbell be Dilfer who can win a few games if every other element of the team is perfect and maybe even be enough to win a Super Bowl if things fall correctly, or to find a QB who is, himself, capable of making up for a lack of complete team around him? There are very few such QBs. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are likely the only two. Neither is coming to D.C. But, both are, themselves, capable of allowing other areas to go a little less complete and field competitive, top teams year after year. While true you may be fortunate enough to find a game manager capable of fitting in well enough to win for a year or two and maybe even win it all, it's always true that an elite QB gives you a chance to win every season. I don't know that Cutler is that guy. In fact, evidence suggests while talented, he's NOT that guy, as his team wasn't able to overcome the limitations around him to win effectively. What I do know is NO team can survive with Jason Campbell over the final 8 games. And if Jason Campbell was the Jason Campbell of the first eight games, no one would be talking about the Redskins and any other QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HA1LV1CT0RY Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 And both have rings... What is your point? Did you not see them play for us? I saw Brunell tear up Jacksonville and bring happy feet to us and get nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Good read as always. Having a former QB coach as our head coach would probably help us evaluate him better. So if this deal gets done with the liking of Zorn....then I'm good with it. But the biggest problem the would be the fact that Zorn has been saying Jason is our quarterback.....the man will definitely take some heat for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD5 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Great Piece OM. Two thoughts: 1. I absolutely hope it shakes up the locker room. We have to do something to change the losing mentality in there--the belief that somehow 8-8 is acceptable. 8-8 isn't. It is failure. I couldn't care less if people in there get upset. 2. The "greatest Redskin qb since Sammy Baugh" as some have called him, isn't the answer in any way, shape or form. Can we get to a SB every ten years with a game manager? Sure. Dilfer, Grossman and Brad Johnson did. Can we win consistently with one? No way. Time to move this team ahead by leaps and bounds. Pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 What is your point? Did you not see them play for us? I saw Brunell tear up Jacksonville and bring happy feet to us and get nowhere. Brad Johnson was a pretty darn good QB for quite a while. Dilfer was never very good, but Johnson went to a couple of pro bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Bleeder Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 What is your point? Did you not see them play for us? I saw Brunell tear up Jacksonville and bring happy feet to us and get nowhere. My point is that these "terrible" QB's were good enough to win it all because they had a TEAM around them, which is why we will never have long-term success because we ignore the core of a team (the lines) for the latest greatest thing...where has that mentality gotten us? And yes I did see Brad Johnson play for us, win a play-off game and nearly get us to the NFC Championship game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommd Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Great Piece OM. Two thoughts:1. I absolutely hope it shakes up the locker room. We have to do something to change the losing mentality in there--the belief that somehow 8-8 is acceptable. 8-8 isn't. It is failure. I couldn't care less if people in there get upset. 2. The "greatest Redskin qb since Sammy Baugh" as some have called him, isn't the answer in any way, shape or form. Can we get to a SB every ten years with a game manager? Sure. Dilfer, Grossman and Brad Johnson did. Can we win consistently with one? No way. Time to move this team ahead by leaps and bounds. Pull the trigger. And yet, the Broncos record last year was 8-8. They have never made the playoffs under Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Regardless this is a huge **** storm. I think the effect on the locker room and Jason Campbell are going to take their toll if this trade doesn't happen. Heck, even if it DOES happen I think there is going to be some resentment. You nailed all the points OM. I'm eagerly awaiting the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 JC is def not an explosive QB but niether was Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson, build a TEAM around this kid and let him shine. But Dilfer and Johnson won because of their teams' defense. It had little to do with them playing QB. Yes we have a top 5 defense and seem to always have a top 10 defense, and yet Campbell hasn't been able to produce. Plus, Campbell has better offensive weapons than the Bucs did when they won the Super Bowl and the Ravens in 2000. So why can't he get it done? Our o-line was great down the stretch in 2007 and at the beginning of 2008. I doubt they just decided at the midway point last season to stop playing, so that isn't the sole reason we finished 2-6. The point I'm trying to make is that we can't build the perfect team around Jason. He hasn't shown he can work with what he have given him so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Bleeder Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 But Dilfer and Johnson won because of their teams' defense. It had little to do with them playing QB. Yes we have a top 5 defense and seem to always have a top 10 defense, and yet Campbell hasn't been able to produce. Plus, Campbell has better offensive weapons than the Bucs did when they won the Super Bowl and the Ravens in 2000. So why can't he get it done? Our o-line was great down the stretch in 2007 and at the beginning of 2008. I doubt they just decided at the midway point last season to stop playing, so that isn't the sole reason we finished 2-6. The point I'm trying to make is that we can't build the perfect team around Jason. He hasn't shown he can work with what he have given him so far. Good points but what Im ultimately getting at is we will NEVER be able to build a TEAM around anyone if we keep trading away picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Good points but what Im ultimately getting at is we will NEVER be able to build a TEAM around anyone if we keep trading away picks... That's true too. However, its not like the team we have around Campbell right now is horrible. We have a top 10 defense just about every year and Portis is consistenly in the top 10 in rushing as well. So its not like we are asking JC to do it all for us. I could understand if he had WRs and a RB who were horrible, but they're not. Moss, Portis, and Cooley have all gone to the Pro Bowl. He has talent around him, so why can't he get it to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HA1LV1CT0RY Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 My point is that these "terrible" QB's were good enough to win it all because they had a TEAM around them, which is why we will never have long-term success because we ignore the core of a team (the lines) for the latest greatest thing...where has that mentality gotten us? And yes I did see Brad Johnson play for us, win a play-off game and nearly get us to the NFC Championship game... they both won rings with their defenses. Brad Johnson was mediocre at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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