Shouldn't it come down to what the COACHES want?

[NoCalMike]

Campbell or Cutler, Cutler or Campbell, trade this for that......Danny wants this guy, Danny wants to move this other guy, Danny Danny Danny....:mad:

Personally, I would be happy to keep Campbell, but no less or more happy with Cutler. Both are young QBs and have shown glimpses of taking the next step, while still making mistakes that are holding them back. The problem is, all I keep hearing is what Daniel Snyder wants and not what Jim Zorn and his coaching staff wants.

Whether or not we end up trading for Cutler or keeping Campbell, I really hope the result is because of what Zorn and his coaching staff feel is the best way to make this team a winner, and not who Snyder thinks is the latest "flavor of the month"

[Vicious]

This is the Daniel Snyder show. If you want sanity, go down to Miami.

[Skins_TL]

this is the daniel snyder show. If you want sanity, go down to miami.

bingo!!

[SkinsHokieFan]

This is the Daniel Snyder show. If you want sanity, go down to Miami.

Exactly. For better, or worse (mostly worse) it is clear Daniel Snyder runs the football operation of the team, not the just the negotiating.

So if Snyder wants a guy, we get that guy. There are many examples of it over his tenure with exception to the Gibbs era

[ECU-ALUM]

This is the Daniel Snyder show. If you want sanity, go down to Miami.

Bingo!

[McD5]

Snyder is the coach.

Why would anyone even question that for a second?

[lou4gehrig]

Would you rather we have a penny pinching owner? Who didn't sign anybody and hoarded cap space? Snyder is a fan. He sees a good player available that's better than our current player and he goes and gets them. It's not like we don't have decent teams. We do. The only way you become a great team is to land great players, of which there are very few. You have to take some risks to accomplish that.

True we could be more cautious and save our draft picks. But how many teams have tons of high picks every season and amount to nothing? So that's not a guaranteed formula neither.

If we land Cutler, aren't we a top 10 team in the league? Top 5? Isn't that all you can ask out of your owner, to give you a shot at winning a Superbowl?

[SMOSS89]

Another reason to run a successful business: get filthy rich so i can buy the team from Snyder.

[BuryYourDuke]

Campbell or Cutler, Cutler or Campbell, trade this for that......Danny wants this guy, Danny wants to move this other guy, Danny Danny Danny....:mad:

Personally, I would be happy to keep Campbell, but no less or more happy with Cutler. Both are young QBs and have shown glimpses of taking the next step, while still making mistakes that are holding them back. The problem is, all I keep hearing is what Daniel Snyder wants and not what Jim Zorn and his coaching staff wants.

Whether or not we end up trading for Cutler or keeping Campbell, I really hope the result is because of what Zorn and his coaching staff feel is the best way to make this team a winner, and not who Snyder thinks is the latest "flavor of the month"

Regardless of Snyderatto's sanity...the answer to your question is no. The coach shouldn't be the one to decide what personnel is there. The GM should. Good coaches are rarely the best talent evaluators, and the best talent evaluators are rarely the best coaches. There is a reason Head Coach and GM is rarely a title that leads to Super Bowl's.

[lou4gehrig]

This is the Daniel Snyder show. If you want sanity, go down to Miami.

What's so great about Parcells and Miami? Sure he's good at turning teams around (Jets, New England, Dalls, Dolphins), but those teams are all fatally flawed. Look at Dallas. They aren't getting better. They have a few nice pieces.

There's little evidence to prove that the Parcells method of team building is any more successful than the Snyder method. Parcells has never come close to building a Superbowl winner as a GM or executive (George Young built the Giants of the 80's).

[Oldskool]

There's a reason why we don't have a GM, only a glorified scout and toady.

[Ghost of]

Uhh, how do you KNOW THAT IT ISN'T WHAT THE COACHES WANT?!

Hello, McFly---Snyder didn't want Archuleta, Williams did. The price may have been Snyder's fault or Vinny's but not the pick. Same with letting go Pierce and Smoot the first time. If the coaches said, "NO WAY---We'll work something out no matter what!" then that's what would have happened.

[bnewbs]

Landing Cutler doesn't make us a top 5 or a top 10 team in the league....hes not that good...17-20 doesn't make you a franchise QB when you've had one good season ESPECIALLY when the good season doesn't even net your team a playoff spot...

[GaryGreenMonk]

there's some politics here....

of course Zorn would want to keep Campbell.... with Cutler in.. his head coaching job could very well be threatened by Shanahan.

which must be annoying for Zorn.. cause he probably has better chance at success with Cutler... but also more danger to his job..

kind of a rock and a hard place.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Uhh, how do you KNOW THAT IT ISN'T WHAT THE COACHES WANT?!

Hello, McFly---Snyder didn't want Archuleta, Williams did. The price may have been Snyder's fault or Vinny's but not the pick. Same with letting go Pierce and Smoot the first time. If the coaches said, "NO WAY---We'll work something out no matter what!" then that's what would have happened.

I think that was a different era. That was under Gibbs. What Gibbs said, Snyder did

However it seems outside of the Gibbs era, it was Snyder that was driving force behind acquisitions. Possible outside of the Marty year as well (Marty clearly ran the show which Snyder objected to after a year)

Under Norv, Steve and Jim, it is clear Snyder is the football man

[Laxpunk2006]

I agree with Snyder having a say in the matter, afterall it is his team. That being said if Zorn doesn't want him and Cerrato doesn't want him (not that we know this to be fact) then why would Snyder think it's a good idea to force him upon them? IF Cutler is even a franchise QB he surely won't be the last one to be available in FA, trade, or draft. Let the coach play with his guy and if they fail then address it later.

I have a sick feeling I'm going to wake up tomorrow to see Cutler holding a Redskins jersey.

[lou4gehrig]

Landing Cutler doesn't make us a top 5 or a top 10 team in the league....hes not that good...17-20 doesn't make you a franchise QB when you've had one good season ESPECIALLY when the good season doesn't even net your team a playoff spot...

We have a playoff team already with quarterback who is decent, but doesn't win us any games. We upgrade that position, we're automatically better.

Peyton Manning had a .500 record after 4 seasons. 3-13, 13-3, 10-6, 6-10. Takes time to develop into an elite level QB.

[BuryYourDuke]

I agree with Snyder having a say in the matter, afterall it is his team. That being said if Zorn doesn't want him and Cerrato doesn't want him (not that we know this to be fact) then why would Snyder think it's a good idea to force him upon them? IF Cutler is even a franchise QB he surely won't be the last one to be available in FA, trade, or draft. Let the coach play with his guy and if they fail then address it later.

I have a sick feeling I'm going to wake up tomorrow to see Cutler holding a Redskins jersey.

Actually much has been said and written about this being the first time a franchise QB is available at his age.

[wildbill1952]

Coaches coach. Managers/Personnel Directors/ General Managers select the players they get to coach. Sometimes coaches get input. SOmetimes they run the show. On the Skins, it's Vinny who makes the peronnel decisions now. The question is if he did it in the past.

Somebody is responsible for this:

1. Lack of draft picks because of stupid knee-jerk reaction trades (Taylor, Duckett)

2. Bad draft picks (Ramsey or White or Wilson)

3. Lack of drafting positions of need for a decade (OL/DL) because OL and DL are NEVER BPA

4. Signing of used up FA's (Smith, Deion, Jeff George)

5. No evaluation of FA talent (Archuleta, Lloyd)

5. Releasing of good players (Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce)

6. Questionable picks (Pro Bowl TE and draft another TE)

I wasn't there, but I know last year was all Vinny according to ...Vinny. The Jason Taylor trade smelled a lot like the Duckett trade. The selection of TE Davis and another WR in Kelly with OL and DL still available in the second round is definitely Vinny-ish. Book's still out on these two, but I haven't seen a dividing line between the garbage of the previous years and the latest Vinny selections. Nice pickup in Horton, but no one else in the entire draft class has reallly shown anything.

The Vinny supporters say all of the bad stuff in the past was caused by the coaches (Spurrier, Gibbs, Williams) and not Vinny. The Vinny detractors say it was all Vinny, all the time. Unless somebody writes a tell-all book, I guess we'll never know which idiot gets the blame for all the bad. Because whoever it is, gets the credit for the few bright spots like Cooley, Taylor and Landry, Moss and Fletcher.

[Rocky52Mc]

Exactly. For better, or worse (mostly worse) it is clear Daniel Snyder runs the football operation of the team, not the just the negotiating.

So if Snyder wants a guy, we get that guy. There are many examples of it over his tenure with exception to the Gibbs era

What's so sad is the FACT that ALL media reports involving trades = we are the #1 contender to get them. It's ****ing pathetic. I love it, but it's pathetic.

[Hooper]

What's funny is last year it was Snyder who insisted on JC being the starter. Williams and other coaches wanted an open QB competition. Zorn guaranteeing Snyder that JC would start no questions asked is pretty much the only reason Zorn got the job -- well, that and the fact that other no other coaches worth a damn wanted it.

And now Snyder wants a new toy. Cutler is a sick talent -- he's not Brandon Lloyd -- but it's just what this move represents that bothers me so much.

Some things never change. Heck, he didn't even care what Gibbs thought. Remember when he offered a first for Briggs without even telling Joe?

When will he get sick of Cutler?

[Ghost of]

Landing Cutler doesn't make us a top 5 or a top 10 team in the league....hes not that good...17-20 doesn't make you a franchise QB when you've had one good season ESPECIALLY when the good season doesn't even net your team a playoff spot...

But staying with a mediocre wallflower-type at QB is the way to win games in this league?

Why do you people insist on having it both ways in an argument?

If Campbell isn't as good, then he isn't as good. Period.

And since Campbell has joined the team, in years he HAS NOT finished as starter

we've made the playoffs.

[Rocky52Mc]

But staying with a mediocre wallflower-type at QB is the way to win games in this league?

Why do you people insist on having it both ways in an argument?

If Campbell isn't as good, then he isn't as good. Period.

And since Campbell has joined the team, in years he HAS NOT finished as starter

we've made the playoffs.

All one year, good point. NOT.

I think that's a team issue, he's been the starter for 2 years. Unless of course you count the years he was on the bench as a rookie? lmao.

[GIBBS LIVES]

Snyder is the coach.

Why would anyone even question that for a second?

I'm going to let you in on a little seacret:

It really doesn't matter what we do in this Cutler deal because we are destined to fail because of the way Snyder runs this team.

So..just sit back and find what little joy you can with the redskins because overall, there will be only misery. Because this organazation is only here for Snyder's personal amusement.

[lou4gehrig]

Coaches coach. Managers/Personnel Directors/ General Managers select the players they get to coach. Sometimes coaches get input. SOmetimes they run the show. On the Skins, it's Vinny who makes the peronnel decisions now. The question is if he did it in the past.

Somebody is responsible for this:

1. Lack of draft picks because of stupid knee-jerk reaction trades (Taylor, Duckett)

2. Bad draft picks (Ramsey or White or Wilson)

3. Lack of drafting positions of need for a decade (OL/DL) because OL and DL are NEVER BPA

4. Signing of used up FA's (Smith, Deion, Jeff George)

5. No evaluation of FA talent (Archuleta, Lloyd)

5. Releasing of good players (Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce)

6. Questionable picks (Pro Bowl TE and draft another TE)

I wasn't there, but I know last year was all Vinny according to ...Vinny. The Jason Taylor trade smelled a lot like the Duckett trade. The selection of TE Davis and another WR in Kelly with OL and DL still available in the second round is definitely Vinny-ish. Book's still out on these two, but I haven't seen a dividing line between the garbage of the previous years and the latest Vinny selections. Nice pickup in Horton, but no one else in the entire draft class has reallly shown anything.

The Vinny supporters say all of the bad stuff in the past was caused by the coaches (Spurrier, Gibbs, Williams) and not Vinny. The Vinny detractors say it was all Vinny, all the time. Unless somebody writes a tell-all book, I guess we'll never know which idiot gets the blame for all the bad. Because whoever it is, gets the credit for the few bright spots like Cooley, Taylor and Landry, Moss and Fletcher.

Okay. Some teams in the NFL do the exact opposite. Don't sign big free agents. Don't trade draft picks for players, yet are much, much worse than us year in and year out.

There is probably 5 guys in the entire league who can build Superbowl winning teams. The rest just get lucky and draft a Peyton Manning or have a dominant coach.

People can knock Snyder's approach all they want. It guarantees a level of success that alot of teams never reach. Will it build a Superbowl champion? It could if everything falls just right. But isn't that the case for most teams? I thought New England was guaranteed to win the Superbowl this year? Did anybody predict Arizona? We could have gotten hot, just like Arizona. There's more than one way to skin a cat.