Santana_Fan Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 This is just a random question about the NFL Combine. How many of you change your prior opinions on a player, solely on his combine performance? Whether it be good or bad? I don't agree with Vinny Cerrato on a lot of things, but I do agree with some of his statements on combine performances. For those of you who didn't see that interview awhile ago, he said that he didn't put too much stock into combine performances, it's what the player does on the field that matters most. I definitely agree with that. The player I hope we draft is Rey Maualuga. I've known a couple of people to change their minds on him, solely because of his fall at the combine. I don't put too much stock into that, because he was a beast on the field. I just wanted to know how many of you buy into this combine thing? Performing "great" at the combine doesn't make you a "great" NFL player, and neither does playing great in college make you a great NFL player, but I would much rather take what I've seen in college films to weigh in as my final decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins10 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 This is just a random question about the NFL Combine. How many of you change your prior opinions on a player, solely on his combine performance? Whether it be good or bad? I don't agree with Vinny Cerrato on a lot of things, but I do agree with some of his statements on combine performances. For those of you who didn't see that interview awhile ago, he said that he didn't put too much stock into combine performances, it's what the player does on the field that matters most. I definitely agree with that. The player I hope we draft is Rey Maualuga. I've known a couple of people to change their minds on him, solely because of his fall at the combine. I don't put too much stock into that, because he was a beast on the field. I just wanted to know how many of you buy into this combine thing? Performing "great" at the combine doesn't make you a "great" NFL player, and neither does playing great in college make you a great NFL player, but I would much rather take what I've seen in college films to weigh in as my final decision. The biggest thing that the combine does is allow the teams to get more information on the players themselves through interviews and press conferences The workouts let guys that are less known show their stuff, but I don't think guys that worked out badly but played well in college (Boldin) should be downgraded fot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I said yes. But I don't think it tells the whole story about a player. Game film, and the player's performance on game day means much more to me. Some of the best players to ever play this game were'nt that great of athletes. I mean. Get Dick Butkis' in the combine, he may not get drafted. But we see what he can do on game day, and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 but I don't think guys that worked out badly but played well in college (Boldin) should be downgraded fot it. The Boldin example is good. I've seen plenty of players light it up at the combine, and then they'd get lit up on the field (DB's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I go more with what they did during their college games. The combine just shows how much they have been working out after the season to get ready for the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan318 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Sure it matters, but it's not the end-all-be-all indicator of a player. It is nice when a player does well at the combine, and they should be expected to seeing as they've known forever that they needed to prepare for that one day. But at the same time, it is how well a player does on the field that truly determines their value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 I said yes. But I don't think it tells the whole story about a player. Game film, and the player's performance on game day means much more to me. Some of the best players to ever play this game were'nt that great of athletes. I mean. Get Dick Butkis' in the combine, he may not get drafted.But we see what he can do on game day, and the rest is history. Good post. All of that is very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boofMcboof Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The combine is what it is. It puts all the nfl prospects together on a level field so you're able to see players side by side. You can't evaluate a player soley on game tape because not all the prospects play against the same exact competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 You can't evaluate a player soley on game tape because not all the prospects play against the same exact competition. Didn't think of it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'Em84 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 It matters to see who worked hard. When someone shows up to the combine fat and out of shape it means a lot to their work ethic. Sure some players change and become decent football players regardless (Lendale White), but the important part, IMO, is not so much how well the do but how well they prepared to get there. And there's a difference. Player A may be in great shape, just had a poor showing at the 40, but is obviously in great shape and trained hard. and what boof said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Patty Wack Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 When it comes to the combine, I place almost no stock in it. It translates to strength and speed, but not football strength and speed. It doesn't show if you can play ball or not. If I rated a player's ability on a scale from 1 to 10 as a five, a good combine would take it to a six and a bad one would knock it to four. Nothing drastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 What about A.Smith? Dominates on tape but hasn't had to work hard to do it. Will he start working hard so he can continue to dominate at the NFL level or will his work ethic continue as is and he never amounts to anything special? Rey Maualuga can do Marcus Washington. He also has enough speed and tenacity to become a blitzing terror. Not sure if he can cover tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 P. Harvin's value has gone up to me b/c of his pro day. 25ish reps says he'll be hard to get to the ground. We know he has wheels and can catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 It has it's place but is probably the least important aspect of scouting material. As most agree the game tape is the most important with the senior bowl/all star games coming in behind that. I'd much rather see guys in pads hitting each other than running around in their tights if I'm trying to figure out who can play and who can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Reparations Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I consider the combine to be quality fluff for a players resume trying to get drafted at the highest position possible. Is a good 40 time at the combine equivalent to WPM in the corporate world? What would you compare the 40 to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardSkins88 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 What about A.Smith? Dominates on tape but hasn't had to work hard to do it. Will he start working hard so he can continue to dominate at the NFL level or will his work ethic continue as is and he never amounts to anything special?Rey Maualuga can do Marcus Washington. He also has enough speed and tenacity to become a blitzing terror. Not sure if he can cover tho. If we draft Rey Maualuga AND re-sign Marcus Washington, that would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 combine isn't the most important factor, but its definitely important to look at (although i feel on field performance should matter more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 workouts are good to look at for some of these guys that dominate against lesser comp. Obviously how they play the game would be the best measuring stick. Looking at the system they were in also plays its part. Colt for instance comes from a program that let him sling the ball around like crazy. We know he can toss it. But is he right for our clock management style offense?? Jt was a hell of a DE in Miami but couldn't hold the fort for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flock53 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 You get actual height/weight. Get a good look at agility/hands. Also get to talk to them and see what they're about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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