addicted Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 He's said it. He's also said he can be a perennial pro-bowler. If he thinks Sanchez can be that or not, it does not mean he thinks Jason can not do the same as well. A QB that has not even been drafted yet is just potential. Jason Campbell has already shown he can play in the NFL and he continues to get better season after season, even with changing offenses. There is a reason Jason Campbell is going to be the starter in 2009 and it has nothing to do with experiments. If Jason was playing poorly, Todd would be the starter. I'm going to respectfully disagree with a couple of things you bring up here and let it be. If you said that the coach said that then I will believe you. What I will also bring up is the team also said this offseason we would not be bringing in Albert Hanyesworth and that we would keep Jason Taylor both were untrue. It would not be the first time the team changed its mind about a player. About Sanchez not being able to do what Jason's done here, these two players do not mimic one another. What happens with one, doesn't mean squat with the other. No one knows what Zorn thinks about Sanchez but that's the one voice that matters the most. If I were JLC or another reporter I would be calling him to find out. As for Todd Collins being the starter, it was reported a few different coaching candidates came in here for the interview and specifically wanted Collins to be the QB over Cambell and were over ruled last off season. Because Jason is the starter doesn't mean he is playing the best, politics come into play in decisions like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 How would you even judge a quarterback with the receivers and line we had in 2008? That question mark is there because you can't. Look at what Collins did to get us to the playoffs that Jason could not. Look at other teams that switch QB's and how one QB struggles and the other doesn't with the same group of men (Look at Dallas last season with Romo sits to pee vs. Brad Johnson). Your argument that it is on the receivers and not the QB holds no water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The 3 big reasons I think this highly unlikely:1. Even with an iron-clad guarantee that he would be kept around for 2010, Zorn still would have to know that a bad enough season means he is going to be gone. Zorn is hardly a star coach and with so many of them likely to be availble next season, the thought that the impatient Snyder is just gonna say "you've got two years, regardless" to a guy like Zorn seems to be stretching the bounds of credibility. And, even with such an assurance, the odds are still good that a bad enough season would cause Snyder to change his mind next December. Sure you are right. However if Zorn were to go public and say he wanted the QB change but Snyder made him stick with Jason it will only damage Snyder. If Zorn were to do what I said, it would allow him to have an excuse for getting fired next year if that happens. People set things up like that all the time. This move buys him more time and also gives him an out if the front office says no. 2. The moves of this off-season don't look at all like a franchise thinking "build for 2010". Not only the contracts we've given out, but also the restructures to players like Randle El and Griffin. The team has basically used 2010 cap money on marginal type players to create cap room to acquire players for the here and now. I believe you are right but remember it was only this past year that we saw not one but two rookie QB's take teams to the playoffs. We do have a win now team personality but what changes there if we take the rookie QB? We still go with Jason. We are only looking seriously at the possibility Jason's not here next year and we need a QB to replace him. If Jason does well here this season he gets a contract offer. If he doesn't then we have his replacement already. 3. If your sceanrio were true, it's hard to believe the team didn't get into the Cassel derby, or do more to push for a Cutler trade. Or, try to trade Campbell while he still has a year left on his contract. Well it's public knowledge that we talked to Denver about Cutler, as far as what was offered that is unknown. As far as trading Jason we still have time to do that as well. The gentleman who posted in this thread that we could trade Jason for a 2nd rounder makes a lot of sense on that. If we drafted Sanchez Jason is now expendable. We could probably (maybe) get a 2nd for JC. If we could get that for him we then have another pick to use to bolster the LB or another position of need. As far as the Cassel sweepstakes we didn't have the cap room to absorb 14 million bucks this season unless we only signed him and the only way we were going to ensure we got Cassel was if we agreed to give the Pats 2 number one picks for him. We know that the Pats were offered a number one pick for Matt Cassel they turned down. So we would have had no number one this or next year which doesn't make sense for a one year wonder QB. We passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokoMike Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 This whole conversation started last spring. 2008 was going to be a breakout year for Campbell. People like me surely hoped that would be the case. Then, Brennan is picked in the 6th round and people like me who believe he has a future applauded and appreciated the option. Brennan played well in limited time and made the team, surprising lot of you. He must have played well in practice, although we did hear reports to the contrary. Then, Campbell showed us a lot of what we had already seen, and that was disappointing. We also heard every excuse in the book. Most surprising was the talk that we should have never had lofty expectations for 2008. How weak is that? Off Season comes and some people want there to be competition at the QB position. Campbell is not extended, further raising questions. Cutler talk begins. Most people believe Cutler is better. Now, Sanchez talk begins. This is all about Campbell. If he had earned it, there would be none of this talk. Frankly, I think Brennan is a better fit for the offense than either one of them. But, if we draft Sanchez in round 1, I will be happy if Brennan is traded to a team that is committed to score points and win. But, he probably won't be and just might beat out both Campbell and Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Sanchez and Colt are perfect candidates for the WCO. Getting Sanchez is merely being prudent ... you need a franchise QB to be competitive ... No one in the Skins org has any confidence in JC. He will be thrown overboard just like Pat Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizkiteer Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 IF the 'Skins actually drafted Sanchez, would JC be traded for a 2nd round pick? Hmm... DET could be willing if they didn't take a QB with the first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The only QB we should take is Pat White to be our mystery man, and school fools on how to run the WCO. WHile I'd not be opposed to drafting him if he's there in the 3rd (and we have not already drafted a QB), What does the WCO have to do with it? He ran a Spread offense at WVU. Hey, this is good for us. We need to get a lot of people thinking we're going to draft Sanchez so that people will pay a higher price to trade up with us. After seeing McShay's analysis of Sanchez tonight, I feel more and more that this may not be blowing Smoke. Sanchez looks like he could be the kind of guy to push JC right now for starting time. His only flaw is sometimes throwing INTs, but that is easily fixable I think. This guy is beginning to grow on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokoMike Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 If the Redskins draft Sanchez and give him the opportunity to compete with Campbell, Zorn's standing as a religious zealot will be sealed. Impression: Zorn says Campbell will be the starting QB this season. Interpretation: All that means is he will start one game: the first game of the season. Truth: What Zorn said was true when he said it. One minute later, it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 He's a USC QB. Nuff said. It just sucks knowing all the time we've put in JC. Starting over delays our SB chances.........3yrs better than never tho. But i don't see FO drafting Sanchez when we could have had Cutler . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shore-skin Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 What does Sanchez bring to the table that Colt doesn't? Right now I don't see what teams may be so hyped about the guy? Colt has a huge body of work in college' date=' Sanchez very little. Talk about skewed numbers when it comes to USC players especially on offense, Sanchez has that written all over him. His whole body of work is against inferior teams across the board, the one team he faced with a winning record beat him Oregon st. a team that finished with 4 loses. Sanchez didn't see anything in the way of hard fought competition. USC's offense can make average players look great, no way I take that risk at 13.[/quote']What people see in him is that he is used to playing under center, moves very well from that spot, is mobile, and has great pocket presence and very good mechanics. He also didn't hurt himself in the Rose Bowl. That said, this is perfect, we are actually making people believe that we actually want a 1st round QB so that we can trade back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I think that drafting sanchez is a possibility. I'm not sold on Brenann, ..... :doh::doh::doh: Sanchez better then Colt??? Have you seen Sanchez play in the pre-season yet? And at the moment Colt has more experience in the NFL then Sanchez. Why the hell would you select a QB at #13 for a QB less proven the Colt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimpey42000 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Since this is the product of the minds of ESPN, I am not surprised that this was even published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Ok. Come on people. Admit it. Which ExtremeSkins poster wrote this unmitigated piece of garbage? :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Look at what Collins did to get us to the playoffs that Jason could not. Look at other teams that switch QB's and how one QB struggles and the other doesn't with the same group of men (Look at Dallas last season with Romo sits to pee vs. Brad Johnson). Your argument that it is on the receivers and not the QB holds no water. And what happened in the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 R-E-L-A-X. The Redskins will not draft a QB...however, this should not stop them from expressing great interest in him for this reason:IF Sanchez is available at #13, a team like Detroit might be willing to move up to trade for him from the #20 spot. Just a thought. If Detroit is interested in Sanchez and thinks the Skins are gonna draft him, wouldn't it make more sense for them to try and trade with the team drafting AHEAD of the Skins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderDOOM Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 who else is looking to trade back besides us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 He's said it. He's also said he can be a perennial pro-bowler. If he thinks Sanchez can be that or not, it does not mean he thinks Jason can not do the same as well. A QB that has not even been drafted yet is just potential. Jason Campbell has already shown he can play in the NFL and he continues to get better season after season, even with changing offenses. There is a reason Jason Campbell is going to be the starter in 2009 and it has nothing to do with experiments. If Jason was playing poorly, Todd would be the starter. You trust what CEOs say when looking into what stocks to buy as well? Zorn has a job to do, what he says is whatever he feels he needs to say for his team. Truth has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Totally stopped reading when they mentioned Jansen at left tackle. No way we take a QB at 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 You trust what CEOs say when looking into what stocks to buy as well? exactly what does one have to do with the other? unless proven otherwise you have no reason to doubt other than you just don't want to believe .... Zorn has a job to do, what he says is whatever he feels he needs to say for his team. Truth has nothing to do with it. this wasn't coach speak Zorn's words are a matter of public record, you don't commit to anything publicly unless you mean it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Zorn's words are a matter of public record, you don't commit to anything publicly unless you mean it.:rotflmao:I wish I lived in bubba's fantasy land. :hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 :doh::doh::doh: Sanchez better then Colt??? Have you seen Sanchez play in the pre-season yet? And at the moment Colt has more experience in the NFL then Sanchez. Why the hell would you select a QB at #13 for a QB less proven the Colt. He looked a lot more crisp and accurate with his throws. I'm not convinced that Colt is cut out for the WCO. Maybe in an offense like Belicheck runs. Colt also failed to beat out Jason Campbell the guy so many on this board are in a hurry to dump it seems. I'm not saying we should or should not get Sanchez, but seeing some more highlights tonight has made me consider the idea as being more than perhaps a passing fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Colt also failed to beat out Jason Campbell...There was a competition? Did anyone else know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Night Roach Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Brennan wasn't even 100% healthy last preseason and he was still fun to watch. He'll look/play better than what he did a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcarey032 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Slide Jansen to Left Tackle...we see how credible this source is...doesn't even realize that Samuels is way better than Jansen....Ridiculous You are 1000% right on. There is no way that they would Jansen over and move Samuels out. That is straight up rediculous and perposterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcarey032 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 It is insane for people to say that Colt is better than some player who hasn't played yet. As someone posted earlier, Colt failed to beat out Jason Campbell so what does that say and I don't want to hear well they had to pay him because that is absurd. Colt did not exactly set the world on fire when he had opportunities during the Jacksonville game. I am not against getting a QB, but who says that they need one from this year's draft when they can get a guy in Colt McCoy next year who is probably the best QB in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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