Peregrine Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 That was a pretty stupid article, the guy obviously has little idea of what he is talking about. Outside of the obvious problems with this guys ideas, how does a second QB taking a series or two help save a QB from injury? QBs dont get injured because they get tired. The starting QB is in there because he is BETTER than the other QBs. So then that same injury either happens to him, or the 2nd string guy, and pretty soon you are giving the 3rd string guy snaps in every game? I dont think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The logic of your statement isn't obvious. Can you explain? Its self-explanatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Call John Madden before discussing this thread. As Big John always says:"If you have TWO quarterbacks, then you have NO quarterback" I agree! Oldfan, THIS is the quote I was referring to in my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Oldfan, THIS is the quote I was referring to in my post. Okay, I'm guessing that this cryptic comment refers to the undefined and ambigous leadership factor. Is that your understanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 You mean - :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilskinzfan47 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 We need the first QB before considering a second... Exactly!!!!!!! And when you have 2 qb's,that just means you dont have 1 qb.As in the qb for the future.And personally ive never liked the idea.But thats just me.Seems like its to complicated for the o-line to adjust to 2 qb's cadenses.Ones weak spots and the others strong spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Okay, I'm guessing that this cryptic comment refers to the undefined and ambigous leadership factor. Is that your understanding? it refers to consistency and repeition. Also in this day and age with salaries for quality QB's if you got two people who equally deserve to be on the field then you're either spending way to much or neither one's good enough to earn a top QB salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 In 30 years of watching, coaching and playing football at all levels, I've rarely observed any two-QB system work and then only at lower levels of competition where you either you are still teaching the real fundamentals or need to have another guy ready for starting QB when your other guy graduates. I don't really consider it a two-QB system when one of the QBs is really just a specialist. The offensive success of the Rams in the early 50s was not due to a two-headed QB system but the innovative forms of Shaugnessy just a few years earlier like splitting one of the ends out (now known as one of the WRs, thanks mostly to Lombardi), taking one of the two HBs in the T-form and flanking them (the other WR) and the attack down field philosophy used to build the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky52Mc Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 It wouldn't work..once one guy outshines the other, one of them throws a few game ending picks, who gets the final drive? who starts? who performs better. You need one quality leader. This idea is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 So we should go back to the system Spurrier had? No thanks. College Programs get away with it because they usually have a good plan, and the drop off to backups is not always as far as it is in the pros. I think its a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brlawson Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Another player I am really big on is Pat White. It's obviously not a pressing need (QB, WR, RB), but I think he can be a game changer. If we had him in there, split JC out wide and ran some trick plays from the spread offense, my god, we could make people crazy. I mean did anyone watch the Fiesta bowl where Pryor split out wide, caught a TD from Boeckman? Pat White in there could run it, throw it, catch it. He is a wild card. At the same time, who knows what kind of beating the kid could take at WR or RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Another player I am really big on is Pat White. It's obviously not a pressing need (QB, WR, RB), but I think he can be a game changer. If we had him in there, split JC out wide and ran some trick plays from the spread offense, my god, we could make people crazy. I mean did anyone watch the Fiesta bowl where Pryor split out wide, caught a TD from Boeckman? Pat White in there could run it, throw it, catch it. He is a wild card. At the same time, who knows what kind of beating the kid could take at WR or RB. We already have a Pat White type player in Randal El. I get that White is probably a better pure passer than El but then El is a more polished receiver. Our success will be based on improved O'line play, the devlopment of one or more of Thomas or Kelly and sound execution of our existing offense. Not trick plays or the shotgun spread IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 There are lots of advantages of the two QB idea. I happen to think that, intelligently done, they outweigh the disadvantages.Phil Simms griped about his son's lack of progress as third-string at Tampa Bay. Typical of NFL teams his son ran the scout team which did nothing to help him improve his game. Give him a series to run. When he masters that, give him another. The two-QB idea will probably happen soon -- probably in New England where they are ahead of the pack in creativity. Buddy Ryan tried a two QB system back with the Eagles in '86. He had Jaworski as his 1st and 2nd down QB and brough Randle Cunningham off the bench on 3rd downs so he could take advantage of his athleticsm. Lets just say it did not go well. I know that no one (I hope) is suggesting a similar scenario here but even so I personally think that the disadvantages are much greater than any advantage outside of the odd trick play or wildcat type deal with say a Randle El behind centre in the shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brlawson Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I agree that we probably don't need to confuse our recievers and our QB, but I think that it would just add another dimension to our offense that we could use. Randle El is a better route runner because he has been in the NFL for 7 years. I think that White could end up being like a Hines Ward (who played QB at Georgia as well as receiver), more than a Randle El, who in my opinion is not that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 If we were to use JC and CB as a 2 quarterback system......im pretty sure we would go 0-16. Our offense already hardly knew what they were doing at times last year with 1 qb.....implement Colt Brennan who has never played before? And you have pure chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brlawson Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I just think White is such an athlete (drafted by the Anaheim Angels in 2005). One of our stand out players (H.B. Blades) called him the best college QB he'd played against. He is dynamic, and like I said a game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brlawson Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 If we were to use JC and CB as a 2 quarterback system......im pretty sure we would go 0-16.Our offense already hardly knew what they were doing at times last year with 1 qb.....implement Colt Brennan who has never played before? And you have pure chaos. Haha, yeah we would suck. We'd never be able to fool people because both are pocket passers, they are not a running threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playsmart30 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 We need the first QB before considering a second... I love this line from the article. The writer has obviously never been to this message board. :doh: "Most fans probably don't even know who's their team's backup." I'm guessing you would want the two quarterbacks to be Campbell and Brennan? If we had an elite quarterback and an average quarterback I would say go for it. But we have an average quarterback and another one who has never taken a snap of regular season NFL play. I think it would be a disaster. Why everytimes someone make a thread about QB's or Offense someone always take a shot at JC. Like it or not JC is our starting QB for 09. Think we as fan most important redskins fan need to support our qb and stop taking take at him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodus333 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The vaunted offensive genius Buddy Ryan tried something like this back in 1986 when he had Ron Jaworski as his starter but inserted Randal Cunningham in a QB on 3rd down.Suffice to say even Buddy finally figured out that this was a stupid idea and went full time with Randal by the end of that season. Quarterbacks are not pitchers. With the position comes inherent leadership status on the team and you can't have two guys back there. Why not take it a step further and have two head coaches? It just screws everything up. Isn't that kinda what Ryan did in 85 with Ditka and the Bears? Two coaches? Just playing devil's advocate...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Why everytimes someone make a thread about QB's or Offense someone always take a shot at JC. Like it or not JC is our starting QB for 09. Think we as fan most important redskins fan need to support our qb and stop taking take at him.... Its usually the same 6 or 7 guys too.....it does get pretty old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketCitySkins Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Originally Posted by RocketCitySkins:I'm guessing you would want the two quarterbacks to be Campbell and Brennan? If we had an elite quarterback and an average quarterback I would say go for it. But we have an average quarterback and another one who has never taken a snap of regular season NFL play. I think it would be a disaster.[/Quote]Why everytimes someone make a thread about QB's or Offense someone always take a shot at JC. Like it or not JC is our starting QB for 09. Think we as fan most important redskins fan need to support our qb and stop taking take at him.... Calling JC an average quarterback is taking a shot at him? I'm probably the biggest JC fan here since I went to Auburn and have watched him play for 8 years. But I try to be realistic, too. I hope JC is an elite qb someday, but he's not there right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flycoach Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 John Madden said "if you have two quarterbacks, you have none". Meaning one guy has to be "it" and be the leader of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playsmart30 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Calling JC an average quarterback is taking a shot at him? I'm probably the biggest JC fan here since I went to Auburn and have watched him play for 8 years. But I try to be realistic, too. I hope JC is an elite qb someday, but he's not there right now. Was he average when the redskins was 6-2? Peoples on here wanted Dan to sign him to long term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artdrivers Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 ("Interesting thought but I can't really agree. Players get used to each others' tendancies, moves, timing, etc. If you throw a wrench in that all the time it would probably lead to bad things. Think of an intricate dance like Tango where, instead of having one dance partner, you had two and they just substituted once in a while. You'd probably end up off step and fail miserably.") We tried a dance star last year and it was a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brlawson Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Was he average when the redskins was 6-2? Peoples on here wanted Dan to sign him to long term deal. His year was average. He was above par when he was playing with a healthy and beast Portis, but when Portis needed help, he was sub par. Hence the 2-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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