JMS Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 No argument there. But I was explicitly talking about today, not about the 1860s. Sorry. There are far more relevant indicators of a state's "southernness" or present-day southern/Confederate sympathies than the longevity of its quaint state song. Most Maryland residents don't seem to know anything about their state song -- a fact for which fans of "Maryland My Maryland" must thank their lucky stars every day. Were the song better known and understood, its status would be in greater jeopardy. I totally agree wiith that. I remember the first time this issue came to my awareness in the late 70's it was because an elementary school girl wrote an essay on the state song, which shocked her teachers and lead to a repeal movement for the song. It was big news the lyrics were there, nobody was aware. But somehow the pro force beat back the reform. It's a latent nod to history and the sympathies of past generations that keep "Maryland My Maryland" in place . Yes, but even that is pretty much unfathonable for many folks today. I agree with you on why folks display their confederate tokens, I just think it's interesting how so many folks who grow up outside the south are threatenned or shocked by the sentiments.... I would even go further than your statements. I would say folks who displkay southern sympathies oddly enough tend to be uber patriotic, uper conservative, and lambast the folks shocked by their expressions of confederate sympathies as somehow unAmerican, or less than Americans.. Which is really odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 We oughta come up with a rap contest to determine the new lyrics to Maryland's state song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 thems fighting words!Seriously though, whether you want to admit it or not, the confederate flag stands for alot. for me, I have a tri-flag display on my desk; A US flag in the middle, a stars and bars on the left and a blood-stained banner on the right. If you don't see the symbolism in that, here it is. the US flag is the highest and middle-most flag (the most sovereign in the display), the stars and bars represents southern independence (right symbolizing least sovereign), and the blood-stained banner was the last national flag of the CSA (to the left, the middle-most sovereign). If you want to say out of ignorance that i display that because I'm a racist or something and that it's not because I'm proud to be a southerner, then that's you prerogative. :2cents: I used to be 19 and southern too. http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6439007&postcount=105 http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6439037&postcount=107 http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6439037&postcount=111 http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6447615&postcount=179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I used to be 19 and southern too. http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6439007&postcount=105 http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6439037&postcount=107 http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6439037&postcount=111 http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6447615&postcount=179 I respect where you're coming from (I read each of those posts). I disagree though. I had a rather lengthy conversation with my History teacher my junior year of high school on the subject. He is not only black, he is also gay, so you can imagine how backed into a corner by society he must feel anyway, he said that he has no problem with the confederate flag, as long as it isn't the naval jack. that's the one that looks like the battle flag, but has the dimensions of a regular flag. The other flags weren't used as much (and in the case of the bloodstained banner, not at all) in a racist context. That's why I display the stars and bars and the bloodstained banner instead of the naval jack, which is the stereotypical symbol of the south (and white supremacy). I hope you can see the difference. I personally have no problem with the naval jack, but I recognize that other people do. Unfortunately people don't understand the difference between the battle flag and the naval jack either, so they assume the battle flag is racist because it looks so similar to the union jack, which is synonymous with the KKK in the minds of some people. I'm proud to be a southerner, I'm proud to carry on the southern tradition, and I'm proud of southerners in general. I don't care what your skin color is; if you're born and raised in Dixie, you're my brother and an inheritor of southern tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 bump, paging Predicto. (just want to close out the flag bit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I'm proud to be a southerner, I'm proud to carry on the southern tradition, and I'm proud of southerners in general. I don't care what your skin color is; if you're born and raised in Dixie, you're my brother and an inheritor of southern tradition. How would you define the "southern tradition"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 How would you define the "southern tradition"? good manners, hospitality, and slow-paced lifestyle. southern culture I suppose.Plus southern musical contributions such as Jazz, country, blue-grass, and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Unfortunately people don't understand the difference between the battle flag and the union jack either, so they assume the battle flag is racist because it looks so similar to the union jack, which is synonymous with the KKK in the minds of some people. I think most people who display the battle flag do so because it looks cool. Swastikas look cool, too, but the symbolism behind them is disagreeable to most people, including myself. I could be wrong, but I believe the "union jack" you're referring to is actually called the Naval Jack. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Battle_Flag#Naval_jacks_and_ensigns As far as I know, the Union Jack is a British flag. I have to get in line with Predicto on this one, I support your right to display any flag you want to, but I don't approve of Confederate flags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I think most people who display the battle flag do so because it looks cool. Swastikas look cool, too, but the symbolism behind them is disagreeable to most people, including myself. I could be wrong, but I believe the "union jack" you're referring to is actually called the Naval Jack. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Battle_Flag#Naval_jacks_and_ensigns As far as I know, the Union Jack is a British flag. I have to get in line with Predicto on this one, I support your right to display any flag you want to, but I don't approve of Confederate flags. I believe you're right about the name, I'll go back and change it.first, comparing the swastika and the battle flag is ridiculous. The swastika was first used in the context that it means today. it is universally recognized as a symbol of genocide. The battle flag originally was used to identify troops on the battlefield. some people today identify it as a racist symbol, but not everyone does. and just to clarify, you think the bloodstained banner is a symbol of racial intolerance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 and just to clarify, you think the bloodstained banner is a symbol of racial intolerance?I know this question wasn't directed at me but I'm going to answer it anyway.Yes...the bloodstained banner is a symbol of racial intolerance to me. Do I think everyone who flies it is a racist? Nope. Do I get upset when I see someone displaying it? Nope. Do I think it represents intolerance? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Do I think it represents intolerance? Yep. how so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 how so? The Bloodstained banner (which was the 3rd national flag if I'm not mistaken) represented a government which was built off the premise that owning slaves was thier sovreign right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The Bloodstained banner (which was the 3rd national flag if I'm not mistaken) represented a government which was built off the premise that owning slaves was thier sovreign right. That's how you see it. I see it as a symbol of southern culture and pride. It traditionally isn't associated with racism, so I'm not quite sure why you're making it out to be such a symbol.either way, I don't see the naval jack or the battle flag as racist either, so take it for what its worth. You're from Maryland also I see, so we're naturally going to have two irreconcilable views on the matter, so we should just leave it at that and agree that: The Redskins are the greatest team in the nation :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 That's how you see it. I see it as a symbol of southern culture and pride. It traditionally isn't associated with racism, so I'm not quite sure why you're making it out to be such a symbol. Perhaps it's not traditionally associated with racism among the company you keep but they're many folks who view that flag in a different light. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 [/b]Perhaps it's not traditionally associated with racism among the company you keep but they're many folks who view that flag in a different light. :2cents: see my first post on the subject. I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate there, "with the company I keep", but it's time to back off. I pulled the goodwill card and you're obviously not interested in doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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