KDawg Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 The holder argument holds some merit, but not enough to give Suisham a free pass for his awful kicking this past season. That said, the guy should at least get a shot with an offseason of the same holder. He may be better. Competition can only help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stp240 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Califan posted stats that completely disarm arguments against SS. (great post) Now people still have it set in their minds that hese terrible, what happened in 07? he got lucky? i dont think so...he was damn solid for us...now the holders were crap and it effected him....What other explianation do you need? thats the only variable that changed! if you think the holder doesn't make all the difference then your just ignorant. I swear some ppl on here would argue with a stop sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasTomasz Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 The holder argument holds some merit, but not enough to give Suisham a free pass for his awful kicking this past season.That said, the guy should at least get a shot with an offseason of the same holder. He may be better. Competition can only help. Exactly. The thing is, for those proposing we get rid of Suisham, where is the better option? Yes, we should look at getting an UDFA in here, but that's it. It's going to be Suisham for another year unless someone beats him out in a competition. I guess I'm trying to say, it's one thing to realize that we need an upgrade, but it's another to get one, especially when none are available. We just need to be patient- get someone else to compete and plan to go with Suisham for another season. If someone beats him out, then they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Exactly. The thing is, for those proposing we get rid of Suisham, where is the better option? Yes, we should look at getting an UDFA in here, but that's it. It's going to be Suisham for another year unless someone beats him out in a competition. I guess I'm trying to say, it's one thing to realize that we need an upgrade, but it's another to get one, especially when none are available. We just need to be patient- get someone else to compete and plan to go with Suisham for another season. If someone beats him out, then they do. Except Suisham has been like John Hall (IIRC). Great in preseason especially against competition and below average for the actual season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 The fact that he only had 3 different holders, one who was a rookie, was not helping his cause. I think he has potential; however, I would really like to bring in someone other than Rayner for competition, maybe an UDFA rookie possibly like Pat McAfee or Sam Swank. I would love to get Pat McAfee he was great at WV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 if you think the holder doesn't make all the difference then your just ignorant.I swear some ppl on here would argue with a stop sign. So because some peoples opinions differ from yours...they are "ignorant"?Also, I haven't seen any signs of arguing in this thread yet. I've read members here voicing their opinions and making points as to what formed those opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 Except Suisham has been like John Hall (IIRC). Great in preseason especially against competition and below average for the actual season. Exactly. He only plays when there is danger of losing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_89 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 He needs one more year to learn the system' date=' tough for a kicker to over come a new coaching staff every year, especially if they change his snapper, or holder, these little subtulties are very difficult to over come, but I would say this season is a make or break season for SS, no more excuses![/quote'] :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 He's a decent kicker with a good holder...although he will miss occasionally with a great holder. I.E. he's not the best kicker in the league, but can be a solid kicker given the right supporting cast. I think he's alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4skins23 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Noone better is available. Thats why hes still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasTomasz Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Except Suisham has been like John Hall (IIRC). Great in preseason especially against competition and below average for the actual season. The big difference is that Hall had a very good first season with us, and many thought we finally found the kicker we were searching for. Turns out, he then battled injuries from his second year on, until being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgibbsfootball Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 It would be nice to have a kicker thats automatic inside 40 and can kickoff past the 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Because he was actually a pretty solid kicker when Frost was the holder. If you noticed, Suisham was having a pretty solid campaign last year even with the holder change (Brooks) until Plackemeier came along, then he flat out couldn't hit anything. Holding can really make a difference (unfortunately) and in today's league they don't have quarterbacks holding because practicing with the ST would take away valuable quarterback practice reps/time. I'm not saying we couldn't do better, but I thought he was a pretty solid kicker until last year when he had to work with new holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel22 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 His retention is completely unjustified. I like the guy on a personal level. Was @ BGSU the same time he was -- even sat @ the same table a few times goofing off @ the student union. Having said that, he has absolutely killed us. We are a team that relies heavily on our defense. Teams like us need a great kicking game -- both for offense and field position. He gives us neither and I still believe the 2nd playoff trip to Seattle was a win if he doesn't shank the gimmie in the 2nd half. From that point on we totally lost momentum and - soon after - the lead. He has had chances since then to redeem himself and has consistently failed to do so. Time to part ways.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 He can justify it because he wants to play football. What you MEANT to ask was how can the Redskins justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I just wanted to give props to Califan for doing the research. Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 Because he was actually a pretty solid kicker when Frost was the holder. If you noticed, Suisham was having a pretty solid campaign last year even with the holder change (Brooks) until Plackemeier came along, then he flat out couldn't hit anything. Holding can really make a difference (unfortunately) and in today's league they don't have quarterbacks holding because practicing with the ST would take away valuable quarterback practice reps/time. I'm not saying we couldn't do better, but I thought he was a pretty solid kicker until last year when he had to work with new holders. He is a professional kicker in the National Football League. If he can't adjust in the time he had, then he needs to find a new profession. Kickers win football games and our kicker isn't good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duenni Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The fact that he only had 3 different holders, one who was a rookie, was not helping his cause. I think he has potential; however, I would really like to bring in someone other than Rayner for competition, maybe an UDFA rookie possibly like Pat McAfee or Sam Swank. ya right, as if the holder has to kick the field goal!!! Shuisham is just not good period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAARedskin Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Although Shawn had the WORST FG percentage in the NFL last season, the guy is still on the team because NOBODY has beaten him out of the job yet. I cannot remember Shawn losing a game for the Skins. I remember plenty of games lost thanks to a passing attack that was on LIFE-SUPPORT, and because the offense was AVERAGING 10 POINTS PER GAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXX99 Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 Although Shawn had the WORST FG percentage in the NFL last season, the guy is still on the team because NOBODY has beaten him out of the job yet. I cannot remember Shawn losing a game for the Skins. I remember plenty of games lost thanks to a passing attack that was on LIFE-SUPPORT, and because the offense was AVERAGING 10 POINTS PER GAME. The playoff game in Seattle a year back. If Shuisham makes that FG he missed, we when the game... guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkskin Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 As some others have said, his problems began when he got the new holder. The importance of that can not be overstated. His leg strength was better this past season as his kickoffs were going for touchbacks early in the year. The guy has made pressure kicks for us, and I don't think he is our biggest concern. Give him a holder he can work with and he should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The playoff game in Seattle a year back. If Shuisham makes that FG he missed, we when the game... guaranteed. Suisham did not lose the Seattle playoff game. Yes, the missed FG hurt momentum; however, the short pass that was incomplete to Cooley on the 2-yard line also hurt the momentum the Skins had at that time. If the Skins would have scored a TD, they would have been up 8 points, and the Seahawks would have been in big trouble. You state that if Suisham would have made that field goal the Skins would have gone, that is nonsense. Ok, Suisham makes the FG, the Skins are up by 4 points. On the next series Landry makes his 2nd INT, and then the offense puts up a staggering 0 yards on 3 plays, and are forced to punt. Then Hasselbeck marches Seattle down the field for a TD, and the Seahawks would be up by 4. Then Collins throws a pick 6, and the Seahawks are up by 11. Then the Skins drive 41 yards in 9 plays, and turn the ball over on a loss of downs. Once they get the ball back Collins throws another pick 6, and the Seahawks are up and win by 18 points. I would go around placing all the blame on Suisham's missed field goal as the reason why the Skins lost by 21 to the Seahawks last year in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 ya right, as if the holder has to kick the field goal!!! Shuisham is just not good period! Thanks for you insightful and intelligent post, way to add to the conversation. The holder actually does have some effect on the kicker; however, that is not the sole reason of why Suisham struggled, but it is a significant one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel-Ra Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 "I cannot remember Shawn losing a game for the Skins." I think his leg deserves the Lions share of the blame for the Rams loss. I believe he missed two in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 "I cannot remember Shawn losing a game for the Skins."I think his leg deserves the Lions share of the blame for the Rams loss. I believe he missed two in that game. Rams Game: Kicking FG LG XP PTS S. Suisham 1/1 38 2/2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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