How has Shuisham justified staying on the team?

[Thinking Skins]

Come on guys.

The holder holds the ball. He spins the laces and holds the ball. There is no system to get use to or great mystery to the position.

Shuisham is simply not good. Getting him his own personal holder is not going to make him better IMO.

Have you seen Ace Ventura: Pet Detective?

LACES OUT!!!!!

[Thinking Skins]

true, but those listed were raked over the coals by most on here exactly like JC.... almost to the point of hatred

I don't know about that. There was quite a bit of anti-Lavar stuff. There was much justified anti-Holdman stuff. There was the calling Rocky McIntosh a bust because he couldn't get on the field (ahead of that bum Holdman). There was the Walt Harris booing section. Yeah, we've done this to quite a few players.

[McD5]

Someone on the team has to make Stan Hixon look average.

[Siven]

There's not a player on this team who doesn't have his own cheering section and his own booing section.

Does anymore boo london fletcher?

[addicted]

The team needs a reliable kicker for sure. Honestly I don't understand why we've ignored this position this year. Yesterday Vinny did say that the team was not going to draft a kicker this year so that's good.

[kreitmaster]

Easy, this is why he is still on the team...

edit: did I really just waste my 2,000th post on this guy?? :rotflmao: FAIL!

So that explains why he left 45 yarders short. He wasted all of his leg on this one FG.

[Redskins:Victory_or_Death]

maybe because they like saying his name?

I thought that was John Jacob Jingleheimerschmidt.

Oddly enough, his name is my name too.

[Thinking Skins]

Does anymore boo london fletcher?

Trust me, I'm sure there are some H.B. Blades fans who think Fletcher should be benched. And I'm sure there are some Pierce loyalists who are saying that Pierce could do a better job. We saw this offseason the debate of whether we want Ray Lewis or London Fletcher. And I myself have commented that this team invests too much into aging veterans and not enough into youth.

Although Fletch probably has the smallest section of negative energy, it exists for him too.

[addicted]

I thought that was John Jacob Jingleheimerschmidt.

Oddly enough, his name is my name too.

Hahahah

[addicted]

He needs one more year to learn the system' date=' tough for a kicker to over come a new coaching staff every year, especially if they change his snapper, or holder, these little subtulties are very difficult to over come, but I would say this season is a make or break season for SS, no more excuses![/quote']

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[mjm4soccer]

Come on guys.

The holder holds the ball. He spins the laces and holds the ball. There is no system to get use to or great mystery to the position.

Shuisham is simply not good. Getting him his own personal holder is not going to make him better IMO.

Having kicked when I was in high school, a holder can make a big difference. Each person likes the ball angled a little differently and timing is essential. Sure anyone can catch the ball and hold it, but to build a rhythm with the kicker needs reps.

Not trying to defend Suisham, because he does need to do better and most of the snaps/holds of misses I saw were good, but slightly changing the timing for a kicker can have the same results as a WR coming out of a break too late or too soon.

[Braxford]

He had problems with holders last year. I think he can be a good NFL kicker but he needs to be more consistent. With as many close games as the Skins had last year his inconsistency really hurt. Unfortunately I think the Skins Special Teams are not going to be up to par this year either and that will hurt in close games.

[skinpride1]

:doh:For the life of me I really don't understand why the f.O. won't bring a quality kicker here!!!! I would spend the big bucks on a vet kicker that can make 40+ field goals all day long!!! The skins play in close games damn those missed field goals could be the difference in getting into the playoffs!!!You know a 9-7 season or a 11-5 season!!

Get us a real kicker!!!

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Because of this:

Top kickers in terms of field goal percentage last year:

Jason Hanson - 96%

Jason Elam - 94%

John Carney - 92%

Nick Folk - 91%

John Kasay - 90%

Stephen Gostkowski - 90%

Robbie Gould - 90%

How those same kickers did in their first 3 seasons as full-time kickers in the NFL:

Jason Hanson - 81%, 79%, 67%

Jason Elam - 74%, 81%, 82%

John Carney - 91%, 66%, 81%

Nick Folk - 84%, 91%

John Kasay - 81%, 64%, 82%

Stephen Gostkowski - 77%, 88%, 90%

Robbie Gould - 78%, 89%, 86%

Shaun Suisham - 89%, 83%, 72%

It would appear that finding a field goal kicker who remains consistently good during the first 3+ years of his NFL career is rather rare. Most of these guys stayed on the same team during those up and down, inconsistent seasons early on in their careers, although I'm sure they had to face competition as Suisham will be facing this year...and those off-and-on bad seasons didn't dictate just how good they'd eventually end up being.

In other words, Suisham isn't any different than 95% of the field goal kickers that have played in the NFL over the decades. That's why he still has a spot--for now--on the team.

[Redskins:Victory_or_Death]

How those same kickers did in their first 3 seasons as full-time kickers in the NFL:

Jason Hanson - 81%, 79%, 67%

Jason Elam - 74%, 81%, 82%

John Carney - 91%, 66%, 81%

Nick Folk - 84%, 91%

John Kasay - 81%, 64%, 82%

Stephen Gostkowski - 77%, 88%, 90%

Robbie Gould - 78%, 89%, 86%

Shaun Suisham - 89%, 83%, 72%

Except all those kickers except Hanson steadily IMPROVED (and Kasay who returned to form). Suisham has just gone straight downhill. Are we really expecting better all of a sudden?

[Est.1974]

I would spend the big bucks on a vet kicker that can make 40+ field goals all day long!

I would like us to as well but we don't have the cap space. When top punters are now getting 4yr ~$16m deals, getting a good FA kicker / punter is not cheap.

However, other than the first Eagles game in 2008 when he was great ( kept us in the game 2nd Qtr ) , he makes me nervous everytime he hits the field.

Maybe thats just what you end up like as a Redskins fan though, always expecting the worse....

[bubba9497]

Come on guys.

The holder holds the ball. He spins the laces and holds the ball. There is no system to get use to or great mystery to the position.

I kicked, and and can tell you, you obviously have never kicked

It's all timing and placement. either off a little, it can have a huge impact, especially the farther you go out.

ever hit a golf ball a little off? hook, slice, short.....

and it is stationary

[Redskins:Victory_or_Death]

I kicked, and and can tell you, you obviously have never kicked

It's all timing and placement. either off a little, it can have a huge impact, especially the farther you go out.

ever hit a golf ball a little off? hook, slice, short.....

and it is stationary

Bubba "kickn'" it.

I'm not sure whether that mental image disturbs me or not. :hysterical:

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Except all those kickers except Hanson steadily IMPROVED (and Kasay who returned to form). Suisham has just gone straight downhill. Are we really expecting better all of a sudden?

Hansen got worse...Kasay dropped WAY down, then came back up...John Carney did the same, dropping WAY down, then returning to 81%. Interesting thing to notice also, is how most of them hovered around the 80% mark during these years. Jason Elam never made it above 82% during those early years.

In other words, if Hansen, Kasay, Carney and Elam are allowed to have some mediocre years early on, Suisham should be allowed the same.

Also, just so you know:

Hansen over years 4 through 10, went:

82%

71%

90%

89%

81%

80%

70%

He still had years of lousy field goal percentages...10 years into his career, and he only had two seasons of field goal percentages over 82%.

Elam over years 4 through 10, went:

75%

72%

85%

82%

85%

81%

75%

How did he "justify" staying on the same team all those years in your eyes?

Carney over years 4 through 10, went:

76%

90%

81%

81%

87%

86%

72%

Do you think that was "steady improvement"?

Again, Suisham is NOT that different from 95% of the field goal kickers playing in the NFL over the decades...we just notice it more because his misses effect the Skins.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

I kicked, and and can tell you, you obviously have never kicked

It's all timing and placement. either off a little, it can have a huge impact, especially the farther you go out.

ever hit a golf ball a little off? hook, slice, short.....

and it is stationary

I kicked in HS also, and that **** is NOT easy...I never held for a kicker, though. I imagine that's not exactly a piece of cake, either.

[wvtbred]

He needs one more year to learn the system' date=' tough for a kicker to over come a new coaching staff every year, especially if they change his snapper, or holder, these little subtulties are very difficult to over come, but I would say this season is a make or break season for SS, no more excuses![/quote']

Ok now that is funny!

[Est.1974]

Again, Suisham is NOT that different from 95% of the field goal kickers playing in the NFL over the decades...we just notice it more because his misses effect the Skins.

And we have lots of close games that magnify the misses when we lose.

If you win 31-10 & he's 1/3 nobody talks about it,

If you lose 10-14 & he's 1/3............

[flexxskins]

Having kicked when I was in high school, a holder can make a big difference. Each person likes the ball angled a little differently and timing is essential. Sure anyone can catch the ball and hold it, but to build a rhythm with the kicker needs reps.

Not trying to defend Suisham, because he does need to do better and most of the snaps/holds of misses I saw were good, but slightly changing the timing for a kicker can have the same results as a WR coming out of a break too late or too soon.

I kicked, and and can tell you, you obviously have never kicked

It's all timing and placement. either off a little, it can have a huge impact, especially the farther you go out.

ever hit a golf ball a little off? hook, slice, short.....

and it is stationary

I do believe in angles, timing, rhythm and all of the other stuff that it probably takes for a kicker and holder to work well together.

But, at the professional level, IMO a kicker has to work past things like not having the same holder. I mean...it happens in the NFL. Other kickers adjust, Suisham doesn't/hasn't.

BTW, no I wasn't a kicker I was a RB; but I didn't have to have played a particular position for me to be able to observe it and form an opinion on it. It's done every minute here.

[Justsomeguy]

Please! Just draft Graham Gano. Kiscker is way too important a position to hire scrubs for it is definitely worth a 6th rounder to get the best kicker in the draft. He is over 80% from 50 plus.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

And we have lots of close games that magnify the misses when we lose.

If you win 31-10 & he's 1/3 nobody talks about it' date='

If you lose 10-14 & he's 1/3............[/quote']

Very true...without going through all the mind-numbing statistical research, it may be that Suisham's misses occur in a higher percentage of close games than the average kicker's. Which, if so, would speak to something else about his reliability other than the natural career arc of NFL placekickers.