Couldn't the Skins use Toomer?

[Wyndorf25]

I'm looking at the list of FAs left out there and one sticks out to me as someone who could step in and help this team immediately for a rather low price--Amani Toomer.

While Toomer is clearly not a long-term answer by any stretch due to his age, he is however the type of WR that the Skins seem to need right now. I think a lot of us have our fingers crossed that either Thomas or Kelly will grow into that #2 WR role...but how sure are we really?

From Yahoo.sports:

Amani Toomer. Toomer is the prototypical No. 2 wide receiver—experienced with good hands. The trouble he isn’t a speed guy, so being a No. 3 slot type isn’t an option. So a team either needs to see him as a starter or fourth receiver over a youngster.

Toomer could provide some productive veteran leadership to our younger guys (Thomas and Kelly) and I gotta believe he would be a better option as a #2 WR than ARE. I would think ARE is better suited for the slot anyway.

Now, I am not saying that we bring Toomer in and just anoint him as the #2 WR, that would need to be settled in training camp between him, Thomas and Kelly--may the best man win the job. I just think Toomer would be a great, low-cost insurance policy in the event niether DT nor MK emerge for whatever reason, be it injury or whatever.

Whether or not Toomer would sign with the Skins knowing he is stepping into a fight for a spot on the field is another matter, but I would sure think it would light a fire under the youngsters.

Your thoughts?

[Missin Meast]

I doubt we could use Toomer. The Giants seem pretty on top of there game with who has and who hasn't " Lost it " They were quick to let Toomer go with a very weak WR core.

We have already signed one of there left overs who won't produce, Renaldo Wynn. Let's not add another.

[MartinC]

I get the case for a vet who can produce as a short term solution but in this case I really think we need to give both Thomas and Kelly every opportunity to show they can be a long term solution.

Any playing time Toomer gets would be at the expense of one of them.

If Kelly goes down with his knee again in camp and Toomer is still out there then I'd take a look assuming he would play for the right nunber (i.e not starters money). But not now.

[MartinC]

We have already signed one of there left overs who won't produce, Renaldo Wynn. Let's not add another.

Careful, Renaldo has posted a few times on ES he might just look you up to show you his tackling technique :evilg:

[GIBBY!]

It's not a TOOMER!!!

Couldn't resist...

Seriously though he's old, lets move on.

[Wyndorf25]

I get the case for a vet who can produce as a short term solution but in this case I really think we need to give both Thomas and Kelly every opportunity to show they can be a long term solution.

Any playing time Toomer gets would be at the expense of one of them.

If Kelly goes down with his knee again in camp and Toomer is still out there then I'd take a look assuming he would play for the right nunber (i.e not starters money). But not now.

Valid point there. I am hoping with all my heart that one of these guys step up, but I was more suggesting that the Skins sign Toomer as an insurance and if he perfoms so well in practice and preseason that he cannot be kept off the field, then the Skins would be a better team for it.

[return2glory]

There is alot of positions that need to be addressed. However, we have way too much invested in our young receivers and te's. Even a vet min+incentives is better served for a veteran lineman or de, like phillip daniels.

[santana_4_prez]

I'm interested in him...I think he could come in use in the red zone and on third downs.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I think the Giants are a smart team in terms of the front office structure. If they got rid of Toomer it was either that he could no longer produce, or that the younger players were out performing him and they actually know how to build through the draft...

Toomer could be a good possession receiver for JC. He can run excellent routes and hold onto the football to move the chains.

I don't think he would be a bad addition to help the youngsters along. He has vastly more experience than Moss having been in the league forever. Go for it.

[Stew]

I think Toomer could easily replace Thrash on the roster. he may be old, but he is reliable as hell, and holds Giants records. Questions about his durability? He is a black belt in karate. That says to me he keeps himself in shape, limber and he has a disciplined mind. For a small contract to replace thrash, there is miles of difference between the two and probably comperable salaries. Id do it for a season or two.

I don't see a bright future for our two draft pick recievers from last year.

[NoleSkin21]

Possibly, he could have a Henry Ellard effect on this team. Catching critical 3rd down conversions for us.

[Dick Edds]

I think Toomer could easily replace Thrash on the roster. he may be old, but he is reliable as hell, and holds Giants records at records. Questions about his durability? He is a black belt in karate. That says to me he keeps himself in shape, limber and he has a disciplined mind. For a small contract to replace thrash, there is miles of difference between the two and probably comperable salaries. Id do it for a season or two.

I don't see a bright future for out two draft pick recievers from last year.

I agree here ... but also was wondering about Bobby Engram, is he still available? He already knows the system, and we don't have time to wait on a 34 year old Toomer WR to learn our WCO, Engram could immediately step in and help the other WR's grasp the offense.

If we just needed bodies for camp or to fill one last roster spot, I can understand a move like this. But for the betterment of the team we need to have DT or MK on the field to see if they can do.

[Wyndorf25]

I think Toomer could easily replace Thrash on the roster. he may be old, but he is reliable as hell, and holds Giants records at records. Questions about his durability? He is a black belt in karate. That says to me he keeps himself in shape, limber and he has a disciplined mind. For a small contract to replace thrash, there is miles of difference between the two and probably comperable salaries. Id do it for a season or two.

I don't see a bright future for out two draft pick recievers from last year.

Good point about Thrash. I didn't even think about whose spot on the roster Toomer would take. Thrash most likely would be the odd man out (assuming the Skins only keep 5 WRs).

I would be sad to see Thrash go because of his value on STs, but when you take into consideration his limited ability as a WR, Toomer would be an upgrade and there are other, younger guys that could step in and play STs.

[IbleedBnG83]

Since his release, I have been hoping we would sign him. We need insurance for our rookies and need an extra body.

[cphil006]

Since his release, I have been hoping we would sign him. We need insurance for our rookies and need an extra body.

He's probably better than any receiver we have right now save for Moss.

He could be productive for one to two seasons for us, much in the same way Henry Ellard was...

[cphil006]

I think Toomer could easily replace Thrash on the roster. he may be old, but he is reliable as hell, and holds Giants records. Questions about his durability? He is a black belt in karate. That says to me he keeps himself in shape, limber and he has a disciplined mind. For a small contract to replace thrash, there is miles of difference between the two and probably comperable salaries. Id do it for a season or two.

I don't see a bright future for our two draft pick recievers from last year.

You had me at "black belt in karate"

[Skinz4Life12]

1 year deal?

[Stew]

Good point about Thrash. I didn't even think about whose spot on the roster Toomer would take. Thrash most likely would be the odd man out (assuming the Skins only keep 5 WRs).

I would be sad to see Thrash go because of his value on STs, but when you take into consideration his limited ability as a WR, Toomer would be an upgrade and there are other, younger guys that could step in and play STs.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Thrash may have the writing on the wall if we can reel in Toomer or anotherr capable reciever. I may get flamed for this, but I want Farris to come back as camp fodder and prove his worth. Did he ever catch on anywhere?

[Big Mac Patty Wack]

We already have four or five number 2 receivers. We have a slot. I think we're set. Spend the money on O-line.

[Wyndorf25]

We already have four or five number 2 receivers. We have a slot. I think we're set. Spend the money on O-line.

Like who? Pace? I think a WR of Toomer's age and ability would go farther to help this team than an O-lineman of similar age considering the cost and what they would be brought in to do.

[Stew]

Like who? Pace? I think a WR of Toomer's age and ability would go farther to help this team than an O-lineman of similar age considering the cost and what they would be brought in to do.

I just want to know who these four or five #2 recievers are....:whoknows:

[Wyndorf25]

I just want to know who these four or five #2 recievers are....:whoknows:

Yeah, I think it was an exaggerated attempt to say that the whole of the Skins' WR core is mediocre. I can understand someone saying we have 3 #2 WRs on the roster (Thomas, Kelly and if you want to throw in a jab--Moss).

[jfs06473]

I think Toomer could easily replace Thrash on the roster. he may be old, but he is reliable as hell, and holds Giants records. Questions about his durability? He is a black belt in karate. That says to me he keeps himself in shape, limber and he has a disciplined mind. For a small contract to replace thrash, there is miles of difference between the two and probably comperable salaries. Id do it for a season or two.

I don't see a bright future for our two draft pick recievers from last year.

Maybe, but I can guarantee you that Toomer won't play special teams--and Thrash does excel there. Anyway, it's a moot point because Vinny has already said he wants the 2nd year guys to step up and they need playing time.

In all likelihood, Toomer will still be out there if and when the staff decides that one or more of the drafted wr's isn't working out.

[Kurd Cudins]

Maybe, but I can guarantee you that Toomer won't play special teams--and Thrash does excel there. Anyway, it's a moot point because Vinny has already said he wants the 2nd year guys to step up and they need playing time.

In all likelihood, Toomer will still be out there if and when the staff decides that one or more of the drafted wr's isn't working out.

The bolded line is something of great importance that seems to be overlooked by many here. Right now our WR corps looks like this:

Moss...Thomas...Kelly

Randle-El...Thrash...Hagans

We are going to go with 5/6 WR's, but only 4/5 will be active on gameday. My guess is we carry 5 and go with 4 active on gameday. That doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room, especially when it comes to ST depth. IMO, Thrash is the ideal 4th WR because of his veteran experience, knowledge of the WCO and ST ability.

[Stew]

Maybe, but I can guarantee you that Toomer won't play special teams--and Thrash does excel there. Anyway, it's a moot point because Vinny has already said he wants the 2nd year guys to step up and they need playing time.

In all likelihood, Toomer will still be out there if and when the staff decides that one or more of the drafted wr's isn't working out.

Toomer wouldnt need to play ST. Thats what younger guys and UDFA's are for. Point is, when we do eventually replace Thrash, it isnt mandatory that the player must play ST.