Is it the OL or the QB? Some Stats for comparison

[Voice_of_Reason]

Look at NE, with virtually the same line they went from 21 sacks with Brady in 2007 to 48 in 2008 with Cassel. Is that the OLines fault?

Not going to disagree, but don't forget that Brady got knocked out for the season in the first quarter of the first game. So while he was only in for a short time, there was clearly SOME pressure on Tom Terrific while he was in there...

[leesburgvaskinsfan]

I'm a JC fan, but he also contributed to some of those sacks by holding onto the ball too long. The fact that everyone talks about the # of sacks and wants to blame the OL or Campbell is missing the point. It was the first year of a new offensive system and you have to expect some growing pains with that. That includes a high number of sacks. Both the OL, WR's and JC were all at times thinking instead of reacting. Just that half a second of indecision is the time it takes to miss a block, cut a route short or fail to check down on a blitz fast enough.

The expectations are just too high and a lot of that was because of the 6-2 start. But once teams got film on us and we were forced to expand the game plan each week the thinking started and the reactions slowed.

This year is pivotal for JC because he shouldn't be thinking nearly enough, the line is largely intact and the WR's have another year under there belt. I don't think he needs to put up ridiculous passing numbers to stay but I think he does need to show improvement by getting rid of the ball quicker, spreading the ball around to more WR's and getting the ball downfield more frequently.

Exactly!

Again we faced a new system and growing pains learning on the fly when bullets were flying. Year two with Coach Zorn should be make or break for JC. He's a worker and he's a fighter and I think with our redshirt receivers and our experienced receivers also now in year two things will get better.

Stats presented across this thread are telling for improvements needed in the oline, QB play, receiver play and Zorn's playcalling in general. Hopefully, this is the year Zorn matches more of JC's strengths with the mid-west coast offense. CP and LB's health is also key for run support.

Hail!

[TSO]

I may be wrong because this is just from my own memory of watching the games, but Jason escaped pressure A LOT of times in every game. And I mean A LOT. I felt like he actually did pretty good in that department.

If my memory is correct, than the stats shown by bigyim in the OP would indicate the problem actually is the Oline more than anything, at least in our case. Still, you'd have to take into account the fact that Jason escaping pressure does not equal a good QB play... he may have not kept his eyes downfield, or was too rattled after dodging the player on defense.

I don't think anyone has a "QB escaping pressure" type stat, do they?

[SirClintonPortis]

Not going to disagree, but don't forget that Brady got knocked out for the season in the first quarter of the first game. So while he was only in for a short time, there was clearly SOME pressure on Tom Terrific while he was in there...

What's funny is that Cassel's on the very team which had(has?) the player who injured Brady. The D-lineman in question was already in the process of being crunched to the ground by the O-lineman, but he made a lunge at Brady's knee.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I don't think anyone has a "QB escaping pressure" type stat, do they?

Jay Cutler had more passes completed outside of the pocket than any other QB last season, behind the Denver line that's alleged to be THAT much better than ours, if that helps.

Hail.

[The Rook]

I think people are giving Coach too big a pass on this issue.

Defenses figured out his tendencies and took away targets. Coach needs to adjust and how about add the 13-14 yard pass to the playbook?

You think about last season, (especially in the 2nd half of the season), its 3rd and 8, what did we run?

Close your eyes and picture it.

Did you see a pass to a double covered Moss, a 5 yard pass to Cooley or a screen pass to Portis/Betts?

:helmet: The Rook

[TSO]

Statistics, darn statistics.

Funny you'd say that. They're only "darn statistics" when they say something you'd rather not hear.

He mentioned about Jason completing only 3 passes over 40 yards, and within those three, having serious pressure on his ass to make the pass.

Let's compare those stats, with QB's who got sacked 30 times or more last year.

In descending order of the most sacked QB's:

Bad move here, considering each QB is in a different situation... as stated in my post above, the only way to figure out what bigyim's stats in his OP really mean is to figure out how many times Jason escaped pressure, while taking into account how well he did once he escaped that pressure.

With that said, let's take a look into your "most sacked QBs" expose':

Matt Cassel: The Pats QB was sacked 9 more times than Jason last year, yet still managed, from 10 more attempts than Jason, to complete 3 more passes over the mid range 20+ yard area, and 3 more in the 40+ yard range. Oh, and throw for 8 more of those 6 point thingie's.

Matt Cassel had arguably the best WR group in the NFL on his roster. Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney, Chad Jackson, and Kelley Washington. You simply cannot disregard this. Let alone Matt has arguably the best pass blocking Oline in the NFL too. I may be wrong, but I think most of his sacks came early on in the season when he was still adjusting.

But of course you'll disregard this. And you'll write it off as an excuse. Unfortunately for you, what you call an excuse doesn't go down in history as one automatically.

Certainly,

Ben Roethlesberger: Besides leading his team to #1, the Steelers QB was sacked 8 more times than Jason in '08, yet still somehow managed, from 38 less attempts than JC, 1 more pass completion in the 20+ yard range, and 4 more over 40 yards. Oh, and throw for 4 more TD's.

System, system, system. Ben has been in the same system for quite some time now, and it's arguable whether or not he has a better WR corps. Plus, Ben is a really really good QB... something we all should hope Campbell can aspire to. You must keep in mind that bigyim was not saying Campbell is elite but the Oline is holding him back, just that there is a high possiblity that Campbell's troubles have more to do with the Oline than anything else.

You're comparison here to what Ben accomplished is missing that point. Ben is also better at extending plays than Campbell at this point in his career. That is not to say Campbell can't improve that aspect of his play, either... but Ben is certainly special with his abilities to improvise, and a lot of the times, his receivers get open deep for him simply because he's running around looking for them for so long.

With that being said, his stats aren't a massive improvement over Jason's, he had over double the amount of INTs, and he had a good running game helping him out for the entire year, not just half.

Btw, could you call Ben up and ask him if his defense helped him out a bit on some of those TDs by giving him a short field? I'm sure he'll let you know.

David Gerrard: The Jags QB was sacked 4 more times than Jason last year, yet somehow, from 29 more attempts than JC, completed 8 more passes in the mid range 20+ yard bracket, admittedly he was 2 down on JC in the 40+ yard range, but still came up with 2 more TD's.

29 more attempts with little to show. This one isn't even worth commenting on.

Aaron Rodgers: The Packers QB was sacked 4 times less than Campbell last year, yet still produced 14 more completions over 20 yards, and 13 more over 40 yards, from only 30 more attempts. With 15 more TD's to boot.

Wasn't last year Aaron's first season of real playing time? Heck knows how he managed that production without at the very least, 2 years playing time in the system huh? :doh:

Once again, he's been in that system for quite some time. Your sarcasm about that point doesn't negate it. You see, I could put a hundred :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh: next to a comment like "the sky is blue" and it still wouldn't change the fact that the sky is blue. Aaron certainly may end up being a much better QB than Campbell, and I think he played extremely well last year... however, 30 more attempts is still 30 more attempts. His WR core is arguably better once again, and his Oline gave up less sacks with more pass attempts.

Oh yeah, you conveniently left out that he had over double the amount of INTs than Campbell again.

Joe Flaco: The Ravens rookie QB was sacked 6 times less than Jason last year, yet still put up 3 more completions over 20 yards, and 7 more over 40, from 78 less attempts. With 1 more thrown TD to boot.

A rookie, in the first year of a new system, at pro level..... how can this be? Doesn't it take at the very least, 2 or even 3 years in the same system? :doh:

The sky is blue. :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

Joe Flacco is perhaps the worst example. Ever. He did very little besides manage the game, and did that poorly at times to boot! You conveniently left out his INT totals once again! Double Campbells!! He had a defense that consistently gave him short fields, along with a great running game for the entire year that allowed him to take deep shots almost every passing play. The Ravens passing offense was based on play action and deep pass attempts. If the deep ball wasn't there, check down. With all those 20+ and 40+ passes completed you'd think he'd have more passing yards than Campbell overall, right? Nope. That should tell you something.

Of course, that has nothing to do with anything, right?

Brett Favre: The Jets QB was put on his behind 8 times less than Jason, yet still managed 6 more completions of 20 or more yards, and 4 more of 40 or more, from 16 more attempts. And he put up 9 more TD's.

Well, he's Brett Favre. Noone is saying Campbell is there, yet. He hasn't even been in the league for half the time Favre has. He had the same amount of INTs as he did TDs, and I'm sure you'd be the first to kill Campbell had he provided us with 22 of each. 22 INTs is over triple the amount of INTs Campbell threw.

All the more strange, considering, like Flaco, he was in the first year of a new system. :doh:

That's crap! The Jets run a West Coast offense similar to Green Bays, and the entire league knew they pretty much changed the entire passing game for Favre.

And still the excuses go on..... :doh:

Hail.

Yes, so it seems. :cool:

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

And so it goes on, sighs.

Here's to 2010's round of everything BUT.....

Hail.

[Going Commando]

Oh i remember in 2005 so, so many of you declared that we would win the superbowl for sure, as soon as the great, invincible JC was put behind center.

Now, 4 seasons later, we still struggle at the QB position. Have we settled for mediocrity? Whatever Campbell could do for us redskins, he already has. Try again, D.C.

What would have happened to JC if Todd Collins somehow got us into the superbowl, during that 07 season? Even if we had lost, would they have ran JC out of town? I think so... That season only made me realize how bad JC really is. Heck even the Almighty Gibbs admitted after the season that he was thinking of benching Jason anyway prior to the injury..

You've got to be ****ing kidding me man. That was his first full season as a starter.

[Going Commando]

I didn't know we ran a zone blocking scheme in pass protection. Why would we do this? It doesn't seem to fit our personnel on the line. Also, do we run a zone blocking scheme for the running game? Or is it still the power running game scheme that Gibbs ran where everyone mans up on a defender?

I agree with you about Cutler. Acquiring him would not be as much of an upgrade as people think. I think that everyone is banking on his potential rather than what he has actually accomplished because a 17-20 career record and a probowl that he in no way shape or form deserved doesn't seem Dan Marino-esque to me. He isn't even the best under-30 QB in his division--that would be Phil Rivers. Sure he threw for a ton of yards, but his defense was historically awful, and his team had absolutely no running game (their leading rusher had 343 yards). He had to throw for those yards.

Beyond the yards, I see a middle of the road QB rating and a ton of turnovers. Why would we want to sell the farm to get him? Starting over at the position each year is not the solution. Lets see our investment in JC through, give him a fair shot, and actually allow our QB to run the same offense for more than one freaking season.

And lets not forget, that Cutler will have to run a new offense next season no matter what. It'll be interesting to see how he handles it.

[CPortJGibbs89]

IMO there is alot of blame to go around. I think once Samuels went down the left side of the line was getting killed in pass protection, I think Jansen played good against the Cowboys his fist start and a game or two after that he was decent but he was god awful at pass pro after that. I think Zorns play calling was awful the last half of the season. Teams new to stack the box, shut down Portis and cover Moss and Cooley and we had nothing. I also blame Campbell for holding the ball to long and forcing throws into double coverage and not making quick enough decision.s

Having said all that I still dont believe AT THIS POINT in Campbells career he is a franchise Qb. I hope to god he proves me wrong this season and I will give him this year to prove the doubters wrong. This is it for him. If we continue to be awful on offense I would like Colt to start. What I would really like it for us is to get Cutler but I think at this point its not going to happen.

But like I said I wouldnt fully blame it on the o-line or fully on Campbell. I think we had alot of issues this year. I am hoping Zorn learns from this year and adjusts his play calling more. If we continue to see Campbell take to much time and make bad decisions while the o-line gives him plenty of time and recievers are open then its time to bench Campbell. Again this is my opinion.

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[TSO]

And so it goes on, sighs.

Here's to 2010's round of everything BUT.....

Hail.

It just keeps flying over your head, huh? :hysterical:

Look, the problem with what you're saying is that you've made a decision about Campbell and believe that it's final. If anyone argues against this decision you've made, you think that they're automatically making excuses for Campbell and that they believe Campbell is the greatest QB ever. You then close your mind to any reasoning or rationale given for some of the average play shown by Campbell. Furthermore, you give Campbell credit for nothing, as if he's done nothing good which is far from the truth.

All of this is about your stubborn refusal to acknowledge that there is a possibility, one that can be reasonably believed to be large, that Campbell plays at an 'elite' level next season. What if playing in one system for one full year and coming into the next season with that same system really was the biggest issue? What if having another target other than Cooley or Moss to consistently throw to was the biggest issue? Or what this thread was created for, what if the Oline was the biggest issue? What if it's all of those things? What if he still has to deal with all of those issues, but deals with them better and overcomes them because he's had the experience?

Can you at least acknowledge that you may be totally wrong about everything, and that very few QBs could have thrived in our system and with our roster last year? If you cannot, then I fear for the damage it may cause to your ego, though you may just end up rejecting the truth somehow and arguing that everyone around Campbell made him better... still, this isn't healthy at all.

I'm definitely open to the idea that Campbell just won't cut it... but I just can't help but see the good things he's done so far with all the other factors in consideration, so I'm more than willing to give him more time.

[Fan since a Fetus]

I think most everyone has their mind made up. I don't see it changing unless Campbell goes out and throws for 25 TDs and 3500 yards, warranting an extension. I think he can do it, but I'm in the very small minority.

I'm with you. I feel like he could do it, but I just don't feel the need to constantly argue about it. That's why I don't post much on the Campbell issues.

I am excited to see him in a system for a second year.

[pjfootballer]

All that counts to me are points per game and wins. And Campbell failed to engineer either as the leader of the offense. It has to improve or I'd like to see a change. 8 ppg isn't going to cut it.

Correction. We got a 7th round comp pick so we have 5 now.

[DCMONEY]

Argh, how many of those sacks were from Campbell not delivering the ball on time? West Coast offensive schemes thrive on quick drops and quick releases. I don't recall JC being able to ever do that. When was the last play you saw where JC dropped back 3 steps and threw a ball, on time, on the money, hitting a receiver in stride for a big gain?

I don't think I've ever seen it.

Timing is everything in this system. Are you telling me its the O line's fault for and they can't protect the QB for a 3 step drop? No ****ing way. I don't care if they lined up U of MD as the O line against the Giants. JC would still have time to take a simple three step drop and release the ball.

So you're assuming that the Skins WR's are open the majority of time. I think the Skins WR's are arerrated I love when they show replays sometimes from behind the QB's point of view. There were times last season when Jason had bad throws. There were times when the Skins WR's dropped passes. There were times that the SKins WR's ran poor routes. There were times when the O-line just plain all out stunk which was the majority of the problem IMO. To put any QB behind that O-line of the last 8 games and assume that he's gonna succeed consistently is crazy. Even if we play devils advocate and say its all JC's fault. No QB or RB is gonna succeed behind that line. I see JC getting the blame for front affice blunders. Its the job of the front office to have a plan and stick with it. You can't waste draft picks, make bad pick ups in free agency, have poor cap management, have 3 or 4 different offenses in the last few years then expect success. If you do have success with that method, it doesn't mean thats the way you do it. , It means you got lucky.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

It just keeps flying over your head, huh? :hysterical:

Look, the problem with what you're saying is that you've made a decision about Campbell and believe that it's final. If anyone argues against this decision you've made, you think that they're automatically making excuses for Campbell and that they believe Campbell is the greatest QB ever. You then close your mind to any reasoning or rationale given for some of the average play shown by Campbell. Furthermore, you give Campbell credit for nothing, as if he's done nothing good which is far from the truth.

All of this is about your stubborn refusal to acknowledge that there is a possibility, one that can be reasonably believed to be large, that Campbell plays at an 'elite' level next season. What if playing in one system for one full year and coming into the next season with that same system really was the biggest issue? What if having another target other than Cooley or Moss to consistently throw to was the biggest issue? And as this thread was created for, what if the Oline was the biggest issue?

Can you at least acknowledge that you may be totally wrong about everything, and that very few QBs could have thrived in our system and with our roster last year?

I'm definitely open to the idea that Campbell just won't cut it... I just can't help but see the good things he's done so far with all the other factors in consideration, so I'm more than willing to give him more time.

Sighs.

Please take a look at my freaking posting history before you throw up spurious claims about what I've said on the Redskins current starting QB.

I too blindly defended Jason in the face of everything to the contrary, until I finally held my hand up, admitted that enough was enough, and instead of excusing everything BUT him, it was time to look AT him.

Sadly, too many people are not willing to look at the WHOLE picture, ironically what your not doing and acusing everyone else of.

No one disputes that we have serious problems right across the board, least of all me if you'd like to go take a look. And a lot of those same problems are all intertwined with the O's problems.

But where we differ, us, the so called "haters", (which is arrogant to the extreme, but we'll let it slide), is the majority of Campbell backers REFUSE to look outside Jason, and throw up everything BUT him.

Here in this very thread, it's the O-Line that's hindering him.

That has it's merits, no one disputes that.

But then you look within that, as I did, put up stats about the other QB's sacked over 30 times last year, and their ability to move the ball and put up points, instead of claiming it's everything BUT them, and you counter with yet more excuses. TOTALLY missing, or just plain ignoring, the point being made.

He's had multiple years in the same system, even in his time here, this has been done ad nauseam. But if you want to run with the "one year in a system, he needs more time", I can't help but remember arguably our greatest ever QB, Sonny Jurgenson, at the tail end of last year rubbishing that claim, saying if you've not got a system down after 14 games, you need to look at yourself. A system is a system, you still get by a Hell of a lot on your own skills that you've acquired ever since you started playing the game. Sonny's word's, not mine. And he tends to know a thing or two about the position.

Every time anyone argues anything to the contrary, you, or whom ever, jumps back in with a "what if", or some point laying the blame on everyone BUT Jason. Ironic that there's always a "what if" to excuse Jason's play, but woe betied anyone that dare's ask, for example, "what if..... A N Other QB was put in the circumstance, and would have far better production", as you flippantly dismiss.

I guess that's ES democracy in action huh? :doh:

After 4, going on 5 years, and the same, repeated excuses flying around to defend a 1st round pick who should have it well down by now, but is continually defended by the fact he's showing slight improvement year on year, and little to non in the key areas that matter; that's getting wearsome to say the least.

If a game managing QB, who plays safe and goes out to not lose games, rather than QB's who go out to actually WIN them is what satisfies you from a first round pick, then that's your perogative.

But seeing as were just going to go around and around in circles, we may as well put this on hold until 2010, then we can do it all over again, just like we have this off-season, and the last, and the one before that.....

Hail.

[Veretax]

So you don't think the O-line has been a problem?

http://blog.redskins.com/2008/12/08/coach-zorn-shuffles-the-o-line-deck/

"The highlight from Coach Zorn's press conference today is the reshuffling of the offensive line, a move born more of necessity than of any particular desire on Zorn's part. (To judge by the comments, though, there are plenty of fans who will be pleased to see some change - ANY change - along the lines, so ... here you go!)

Here's how it breaks down (no pun intended):

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Chris Samuels has a 50% tear in his tricep, so he's going to be getting surgery and is done for the year. Jon Jansen is waiting for news on his MCL, and even substitute tackle and backup center Justin Geisinger suffered a potential knee sprain last night and has an MRI scheduled. So both tackles and the backup center are likely gone.

Assuming that both Samuels and Jansen are out, Stephon Heyer becomes the starting left tackle and the frequently-inactive Jason Fabini becomes the starting right tackle. Devin Clark will be activated off the practice squad, and both he and fellow rookie Chad Rinehart will start receiving work at both tackle and guard. Meanwhile, Pete Kendall becomes the backup center."

I forgot about this, but this was December 8th, with 4 weeks left, and Samuels was hurt, Jansen had something wrong with his MCL, we had Geisinger activated, and Fabini at Tackle in place of Jansen? (I think Jansen maybe ended up playing that week but not sure.)

Bottom line, very few teams can lose starting O-linemen and bring in guys and get reasonable performance. This was after the ravens Game, before Cincinatti, Week 15, curious. According to NFL.com Samuels didn't play after the Baltimore game? (were we without him for 3 weeks? hrms.). It seems like Jansen was available and did play some in those three games, but as I saw bugle say in an article http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Ever_Loyal__Bugel_Discusses_State_Of_the_O_Line_32019.jsp he was almost never 100%, maybe 85% at times. Funny that 85% Jon Jansen is still better than Fabini.

Yet more proof if we don't fix the O-line we could see heyer again at LT with Dockery, Rabach, Rheinhardt at RT, and Thomas/someone else at guard... ick not a confident situation to be in if you ask me.

[Passizle]

Argh, how many of those sacks were from Campbell not delivering the ball on time? West Coast offensive schemes thrive on quick drops and quick releases. I don't recall JC being able to ever do that. When was the last play you saw where JC dropped back 3 steps and threw a ball, on time, on the money, hitting a receiver in stride for a big gain?

I don't think I've ever seen it.

Timing is everything in this system. Are you telling me its the O line's fault for and they can't protect the QB for a 3 step drop? No ****ing way. I don't care if they lined up U of MD as the O line against the Giants. JC would still have time to take a simple three step drop and release the ball.

I can remember one (I forget which game). The D as showing all-out blitz, JC dropped 3 step and delivered a laser right into ARE chest. It bounced off and hit the ground. Now, I dont know if JC threw the ball to hard... or ARE was not ready for it... but it definitley happened. At least one time.

[Passizle]

Point in case. :doh:

Hail.

Well GHH. With this particular case, JC does a 5 step drop and is already between a sandwich of defenders, BEFORE he can even setup.

So while I agree with many facts about JC's play (He can be indecisive, he does hold the ball too long times than not.) this example clearly show the lack of protection our starting QB received for a good part of the year.

I also dont agree that anythinng O-line-wise has been "debunked".

Mostly what I hear is the "no excuses" talk, and when a JC optomist comes along a presents an example of a perceived better QB not playing well, its always seems that the JC pessemists give all the excuses in the world for them.

Lets not go all tit for tat here either. This thread is pretty civil, and I have alot of respect about your opinions... even though we dont see eye to eye.

[Passizle]

Gibbbs Hog Heaven you really hit the hammer on the head, I don't know what it will take for fans to see that Campbell isn't the franchise qb necessary to compete in the NFL season after season. Yes Campbell can succeed if all the pieces around him fit perfectly, but a franchise qb overcomes adversity and leads there team, Campbell hasn't done this and judging by history won't do this.

Well we know where eachother stands. But where are these QB's that "overcome adversity" to carry temas on there backs to triumph. I keep reading that, but no-one can provide an example.

I read plenty about Cutler, and Brees, among other QB's... but where is this adversity these guys are having to overcome? They have great receivers... great protection... avereage running games...

IMO, I think its pretty mythical to beleive that any QB can overcome some of the more serious deficiencies of our offense.

[Passizle]

Jay Cutler had more passes completed outside of the pocket than any other QB last season, behind the Denver line that's alleged to be THAT much better than ours, if that helps.

Hail.

Thats a false reading, and you know that GHH. Shanny calls more roll outs than any coach in the league. Just look a Cutlers highlight reel.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

The point being debunked Pass man, was on production, or lack there of, being down to the O-Line. As exemplified previous, 6 of the other 8 QB's that got sacked 30 plus times behind porous O-Line's last year still managed to put up better production than JC.

Why is that when here, under similar circumstance, Campbell doesn't?

What's the common denominator?

The Redskins O-Line does need a major overhaul, no question, but it could still be helped out a whole bunch by better QB play than it had behind it last year.

Hail.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Thats a false reading, and you know that GHH. Shanny calls more roll outs than any coach in the league. Just look a Cutlers highlight reel.

Oh, I may be playing around there, but it's all relevant when there's this continued claim that Denver has this stellar O-Line, and as we don't, there in lies the difference in QB play.

Hail.

[CPortJGibbs89]

Thats a false reading, and you know that GHH. Shanny calls more roll outs than any coach in the league. Just look a Cutlers highlight reel.

Not sure if it was last year or the year before but I remember hearing a stat of Cutler having the highest Qb rating when rolling out of the pocket. I tried to look it up but I remember on either a Sunday night Game or a Monday night game they dropped that stat.

Do you think that maybe the reason Shanny called for so many roll outs is because he did not trust his offensive line to protect Cutler long enough. Isnt one of the biggest reasons to call the roll out is due to poor protection and buy the Qb time? Just a thought....

[Passizle]

Not sure if it was last year or the year before but I remember hearing a stat of Cutler having the highest Qb rating when rolling out of the pocket. I tried to look it up but I remember on either a Sunday night Game or a Monday night game they dropped that stat.

Do you think that maybe the reason Shanny called for so many roll outs is because he did not trust his offensive line to protect Cutler long enough. Isnt one of the biggest reasons to call the roll out is due to poor protection and buy the Qb time? Just a thought....

I dont know what the reason is for calling that kind of play, but in defense of GHH, even though I support another year of JC at the helm, JC is a pocket passer. His accuracy on rollouts is not so good (I dont have the actual numbers). Its one of the reason, I think JC needs better protection to become a better QB.

Thee are all sorts of flavors of passers out there. Gunners, Dissecters, Runners, etc... thats one thing that bothers me a bit when discussing JC shortcomings. I realistically dont know if JC will be cut out for a WCO type system. You really need that twitch type play and fast reaction time to be very succesful at it. And after taking a deep breath, stepping back and looking at the team top to bottom...

I think Gibbs drafted JC to be typical Gibbs offense QB. Run the ball, control the clock, stop the run and play action once in a while. Not very risky... which is exactly what JC has grown to be. I hope another year in the same system can make me feel different about that.

Thast not saying JC sucks. I think he has ALOT of talent, but if you need a plumber to fix your pipes, you dont call and electrician...