stwasm Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/126750-the-redskins-will-never-be-good-with-danny-boy-at-the-helm Dan Snyder is a businessman—he loves to make money. Dan Snyder is the owner of the Washington Redskins—he loves to win. Dan Snyder has made lots of money—the Redskins haven't won lots of games. Where did he go wrong? There are a lot of answers. Poor coaching, poor drafting, and quality in the division are among them. However, the No. 1 reason the Redskins continue to be an average to below-average team is because Dan Snyder has a money-first attitude. I know his proponents—all four of them—will say he has spent gobs of cash on the team, so therefore, he must love the 'Skins more then the 'Fins (slang for a $5 bill). However, all those "purchases" were designed to make money, not pile up wins. Deion Sanders, Adam Archuleta, and even the sacred cow Joe Gibbs were brought in to make the off-season, Redskin season. Snyder's approach is "create a buzz, and they will come." Here's the problem—his act is wearing thin. Pretty soon, the Redskins will stop making money, and they still won't win. When that happens, let's all hope Danny Boy sells to someone who loves the 'Skins above all else. Then—and only then—they have a chance to get back to glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Another media hater! Oh wait...I think he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Well, you can always root for another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Well, you can always root for another team. Good advice. Don't worry though...eventually you'll get fed up as well. That 'denial' stage sure is a *****, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Nothing about this team disappoints me more than accepting it'll never see real success as long as that clown owns the team. The fact that Vinny that he re-hired Bugeyes in '02 and still keeps him on is proof enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I disagree that those personel moves were designed specifically for buzz and not wins. I do think Snyder loves being the owner of the "buzz" team or the "talked about" team, but what is sad and pathetic is that I also believe that he thought those moves were going to improve the team. What makes Snyder an awful owner is that he has no clue how to build a winning football organization and instead of building a front office of good football people to do that and get out of their way, he instead surrounds himself with people who are willing to allow him access and say on how to build this team and we've seen the results. Snyder will win as soon as he brings in real and respected and current (sorry Gibbs 2.0) football minds to his front office and then gets out of their way. Isn't involved in contracts. Isn't involved in recruitment. He also needs to stop worrying about "fielding the best team for this upcoming season because we want to win the Super Bowl every year" and start looking 3 years to the future. Please Danny, just look at the Washington Capitals as a model. They followed your blueprint at the beginning of this decade, signed free agents and made the playoffs a year or two and then sunk. Instead of trying to patch together another team, they decided to blow it up and start from scratch and build for 3 years down the road (of course their financial situation was also a big part of the reason why they had to get rid of those big contracts). Now (after great drafting) they have a young and exciting team that is the buzz of the town (much more than the Redskins) and will be Cup contenders for the next 5 years at least. Danny don't make the mistake of thinking Redskins fans are going to tolerate your act forever. I was about as die hard a fan as there was. Spent free time putting together stats for players and teams of the past. Spent loads of dough getting old games (not to mention the cash forked over as a Club Seat owner). Used to be excited come the draft and free agency. Be an apologist for the braintrust of my team believing that winning was right around the corner. Not anymore. No question that the Caps have taken my interest first and foremost now. Free Agency and the draft (your Super Bowls Danny) have taken a distant backseat to the Caps and I know I'm not alone. Before too long, if he continues down the road he's been on, the regular season will also no longer carry the same interest. Apologists will say "well why not just support another team?". It doesn't work that way. I'm a Redskins fan. That is the team of my youth. The team that represents the community from which I was born and have lived my entire life. I can't switch to another team. But the "love" I had for this team can fade and over the last 8 years, it has faded. I don't know if it will ever disappear, but I'm afraid that Danny Snyder's stewardship of this once proud franchise is going to put it to the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Apologists will say "well why not just support another team?". It doesn't work that way. I'm a Redskins fan. That is the team of my youth. The team that represents the community from which I was born and have lived my entire life. I can't switch to another team. But the "love" I had for this team can fade and over the last 8 years, it has faded. I don't know if it will ever disappear, but I'm afraid that Danny Snyder's stewardship of this once proud franchise is going to put it to the test. :applause: Couldn't have said it any better. This is the team I grew up watching, and Danny cannot take it away from me - no matter how much he seems to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Please Danny, just look at the Washington Capitals as a model. They followed your blueprint at the beginning of this decade, signed free agents and made the playoffs a year or two and then sunk. Instead of trying to patch together another team, they decided to blow it up and start from scratch and build for 3 years down the road (of course their financial situation was also a big part of the reason why they had to get rid of those big contracts). Now (after great drafting) they have a young and exciting team that is the buzz of the town (much more than the Redskins) and will be Cup contenders for the next 5 years at least. I always hate when people make this comparison. It's apples to oranges. First and foremost, even if the comparison were a good one, the Redskins as a franchise have been more successfull the last 5 years than the Capitals. Second, the Capitals have won nothing. Third, the Capitals had to get lights out goaltending and fire a coach to go from absolute doormats in the NHL to respectable last year. Fourth, the Capitals got a gift that few teams get buy being so lousy that they got the first pick in the draft and so fortunate that it was in a year that there was hands down NO argument as to who to pick....Ovechkin. You remove Ovechkin from that team and what do you have. The Caps are looking good, but lets not crown them as a model franchise before they do anything. Hockey is not Football. Hockey also has a farm system which Football doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Nothing about this team disappoints me more than accepting it'll never see real success as long as that clown owns the team. The fact that Vinny that he re-hired Bugeyes in '02 and still keeps him on is proof enough. meh, if Bidwell can do it, anyone can. I'm not a Snyder fan at all- actually not sure how anyone could be unless he signs your checks. But to say we'll never have success is a bit overboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I'm not a Snyder fan at all- actually not sure how anyone could be unless he signs your checks. But to say we'll never have success is a bit overboardSadly we won't know until after the fact. But right now...it ain't looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandoverLex Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Dan Snyder is a wannabe Jerruh Jones. Unfortunately Snyder lacks his knowledge and swagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Sadly we won't know until after the fact. But right now...it ain't looking good. I agree it's a longshot at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Dan Snyder is a wannabe Jerruh Jones. Unfortunately Snyder lacks his knowledge and swagger. The two aren't remotely comparable. That's about the only thing that helps me sleep at night- the fact that it could be worse, we could have Jerry Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The hate for Snyder is way overblown. Other teams with not so great owners have pulled it out and done well. It's not Dan that should be taking the majority of the blame here, it's our players, and to an extent, some of the coaches. Dan isn't perfect, and he certainly could do much better. But he can't be blamed for the on-field product too much. These are all guys that have proven they can play. With us and with other teams. They aren't playing well as a team. ANd injuries have taken their toll on us the last few years. One thing Dan deserves blame for is keeping Cerrato around. But if Vinny manages to somehow right the ship, he also gets the praise for keeping him around (Not sure if I believe that will happen, but throwing it out there). It is partly Dan's fault. But to put the entire onus on him is a bit off base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The two aren't remotely comparable. That's about the only thing that helps me sleep at night- the fact that it could be worse, we could have Jerry Jones. That's the one thing that stops me from organizing weekly protests outside Redskins Park. Barricade the entrance with a line of cars, have a nice little bonfire in the field beside the road... Yeah there are far worse owners than Snyder. But only a few of them (Jones and Al Davis come to mind off the top of my head). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The hate for Snyder is way overblown. Exactly. I want to dedicate a thread to this subject, KDawg make me a chalk talk on it, I will support it 100%. Below is the list of teams/owners. There are few on that list that I would readily take over Snyder. Robert Kraft might be one. Some I would absolutely say no thank you. Mike Brown, William Clay ford, just to name a few. And some are simply unproven. Guys like Steve Biscotti Then some guys (Irsay) who were considered Lousy owners but lucked into getting a HOF Franchise QB. This list isn't a who's who of people I want. :2cents: So give me a chalk talk on owners. Arizona Cardinals Bill Bidwill Atlanta Falcons Arthur Blank Baltimore Ravens Steve Bisciotti Buffalo Bills Ralph Wilson Carolina Panthers Jerry Richardson Chicago Bears Virginia Halas McCaskey† Cincinnati Bengals Mike Brown Cleveland Browns Randy Lerner Dallas Cowboys Jerry Jones Denver Broncos Pat Bowlen Detroit Lions William Clay Ford, Sr. Green Bay Packers Green Bay Packers, Inc. Houston Texans Robert C. McNair Indianapolis Colts Jim Irsay Jacksonville Jaguars Wayne Weaver Kansas City Chiefs Clark Hunt†† Miami Dolphins Wayne Huizenga (5%) Stephen M. Ross (95%) Minnesota Vikings Zygi Wilf† New England Patriots Robert Kraft New Orleans Saints Tom Benson New York Giants John Mara (50%) Steve Tisch (50%) New York Jets Robert Wood Johnson IV Oakland Raiders Al Davis† Philadelphia Eagles Jeffrey Lurie Pittsburgh Steelers Dan Rooney San Diego Chargers Alex Spanos† San Francisco 49ers Denise DeBartolo York and John York Seattle Seahawks Paul Allen St. Louis Rams Chip Rosenbloom† Tampa Bay Buccaneers Malcolm Glazer Tennessee Titans Bud Adams Washington Redskins Dan Snyder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The hate for Snyder is way overblown. Exactly. I disagree. If anything, I think the folks who continue to think that Snyder is simply misunderstood or is simply fighting media "hate" just don't have all the information, or are choosing to ignore a big chunk of it. Though hate is a very strong word, I certainly would never use it to characterize my feelings towards the man. I wouldn't even use the term "dislike", because I don't know him. ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I disagree. If anything, I think the folks who continue to think that Snyder is simply misunderstood or is simply fighting media "hate" just don't have all the information, or are choosing to ignore a big chunk of it.Though hate is a very strong word, I certainly would never use it to characterize my feelings towards the man. I wouldn't even use the term "dislike", because I don't know him. ..... I never used the word 'misunderstood' or that it's all 'simply media hate'. What I said was, the hate for Snyder is overblown. Mostly from fans. Not even from the media. He deserves blame. But passing blame on everyone else to put it on him is extremely short sighted and full proof of a severe case of tunnel vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I disagree. If anything, I think the folks who continue to think that Snyder is simply misunderstood or is simply fighting media "hate" just don't have all the information, or are choosing to ignore a big chunk of it.Though hate is a very strong word, I certainly would never use it to characterize my feelings towards the man. I wouldn't even use the term "dislike", because I don't know him. ..... I don't think he is misunderstood. I think he has made lousy mistakes. If you look at my list of owners, I contend you can't name 5 sure things. Maybe Bud Adams, Dan Rooney, Jeffrey Laurie, Robert Kraft, Mara? Maybe. Some people might argue. Irsay - he got Manning, otherwise...not very good. Biscotti - done nothing special yet. Needs time to judge. There is not a who's who on the list. One things I can say for sure. Hiring a GM wouldn't ensure us of being a better team. Snyders biggest problem is, and it will affect ANY GM, Coach, whatever we bring in: He puts no one on a budget. Any GM left with an open ended checkbook will make less than rational decisions. Any. If I don't have to manage my money and be on a budget, I will be careless. It was Gibbs demise as a personel guy. Carefree spending. If I send my kids into a candy store and say buy whatever you want, they will grap everything in sight. If I give them $5 they carefully review and overthink every selection. Snyders biggest problem is giving coaches whatever they want. That problem will exist even with a GM. It's not about hiring a GM, it's about hiring a GM that also has concern over the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The only flaw in this otherwise completely solid thesis is this exact crime is also being pulled on Raiders' fans and they are still coming to games. I wish Snyder would relent on his approach because 10 years in, it still shows no signs of on the field success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 It's not about hiring a GM, it's about hiring a GM that also has concern over the bottom line. Eh, the salary cap does that well enough, and I'm never going to complain about an owner who spends too much money. Being an O's fan in the late 80s and early 90s taught me that having an owner who is not willing to spend money is never a good thing. People bag on Snyder all the time, but other than the fact that he's exceedingly rich, he isn't much different than most of us. He's a fan of the team and wants to see them win. Like most fans would be if put in such a position, he has made mistakes. He seems to have learned from some of those mistakes. Whether or not he's learned enough is a question we don't have an answer to yet. The whole 'all he cares about is buzz, not wins' is an old saw that has been proven false over time. Certainly promoting Vinny, hiring Zorn, and mostly being a non-player in FA isn't any way to create buzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Eh, the salary cap does that well enough, No, it really doesn't. Spending freely and spending wisely are two separate things. And when I refer to spending, it's not just about cash it's about draft picks. Snyders only issue is his willingness to give his coaches anything they want. Cash and Pics have no value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeRedskins Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I always hate when people make this comparison. It's apples to oranges.First and foremost, even if the comparison were a good one, the Redskins as a franchise have been more successfull the last 5 years than the Capitals. Second, the Capitals have won nothing. Third, the Capitals had to get lights out goaltending and fire a coach to go from absolute doormats in the NHL to respectable last year. Fourth, the Capitals got a gift that few teams get buy being so lousy that they got the first pick in the draft and so fortunate that it was in a year that there was hands down NO argument as to who to pick....Ovechkin. You remove Ovechkin from that team and what do you have. The Caps are looking good, but lets not crown them as a model franchise before they do anything. Hockey is not Football. Hockey also has a farm system which Football doesn't. It really isn't, but to argue with you, one division title (caps) vs. two play off appearances (last seed in both). Outside of that both teams have been lousy, but at least the caps can be good for years to come now b/c of the solid young team they have. Take away OV and they still have Semin, Green, and Backstrom. Not the team they are now, but still a solid core of talent. No one is crowning them as a model franchise, but it looks like their tactic of building a team is a)more successful and gives more opportunity for future success than the model the redskins have followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 One of these days snyder will get the formula right and buy himself a superbowl trophy. You can buy a good defense and buy a good running game in this league, the only thing that is hard to buy is a passing game. Just wait until Snyder can get his hands on a Great QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DButz65 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I always hate when people make this comparison. It's apples to oranges.First and foremost, even if the comparison were a good one, the Redskins as a franchise have been more successfull the last 5 years than the Capitals. Second, the Capitals have won nothing. Third, the Capitals had to get lights out goaltending and fire a coach to go from absolute doormats in the NHL to respectable last year. Fourth, the Capitals got a gift that few teams get buy being so lousy that they got the first pick in the draft and so fortunate that it was in a year that there was hands down NO argument as to who to pick....Ovechkin. Hockey is not Football. Hockey also has a farm system which Football doesn't. I agree Chip, 2 totally different monsters, you cant compare the two and i think its silly that people do. Also the article focus's on Snyder, but EVERY owner is in this business to MAKE MONEY, if you think otherwise you're just ignorant. Its a BUSINESS, what business man buys something and says "geee i think i'll lose money this year" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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