THUNDERDOME Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 HH - O-Line Updates... http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/2/16/7...o-line-updates Joe Bugel was on Redskins Nation recently giving updates on the O-line. In short, everyone will be 100%, and they haven't addressed free agency needs yet (since they're still going through tapes). Being part of the Gibbs regime and policy, Buges always speaks highly of everyone. If I was on the Skins line (I'm 6'2" 160 pounds), I'm sure Joe would say "I'm progressing and show a lot of heart." Riiight. Buges mentioned Chris Samuels had his knee cleaned up, his triceps have healed, and he is still working out at Redskins Park . We haven't given up on Pete Kendall yet. We're looking at people at free agency but have not made any decisions. Casey Rabach is one of the top players I've ever coached at his position. We're expecting a lot from Chad [Rinehart]. When he was activated towards the end of the season, the light bulb went on. He went back home to northern Iowa but will be back here in March for workouts. Randy Thomas had major neck surgery, but he is good to play another 3-5 years . That was big time surgery. The triceps injury from 2 years ago still messed him up. Jon [Jansen] was never 100%, but he is better than some tackles at 85% (as they show a clip of him getting pushed back 3 yards). The ankle injury really slowed him. Stephon Heyer has come light years from where he was last year. Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas took him under their wing and worked out with him over his first off-season. Stephon has been with us two years and has been hurt for two years. Hopefully this third year is the charm and he can stay healthy. Justin Geisinger. His rehab is going well. He's a legit tough guy, and I'm not worried about him. I hope Heyer stays healthy and we see what we have in Rinehart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santana_4_prez Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Wow, somebody get a shovel! According to that, we have an unbelievable line all the way around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeyeats Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 nice to read something positive about rinehart after JLC's grim article. i don't know if he'll ever be great, but just good to hear he wasn't a total bust pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Did Vinny write that for him to make people think OL isn't a major need? I hope Rinehart can at least prove to be a versatile backup this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I dont believe anything from JLC about Rinehart. Remember the same things were said about Rocky and he performed at a high level in his first playing season. Realistically, this team needs depth and if everyone can play well The line could look like Sammy, Rine, Rabach, Thomas and Heyer for another year I think you might be able to pass by on that line for another year until major upgrades are needed. I think you have to give Heyer a chance to play an entire year. Revamp the Dline first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Sad thing is Buges needs to realize that these guys are old and new blood is needed on the OL. He's been known to establish a bond with his OL, like family. He needs to separate his feelings from their play and see the forest for the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I dont believe anything from JLC about Rinehart. Remember the same things were said about Rocky and he performed at a high level in his first playing season. Realistically, this team needs depth and if everyone can play well The line could look like Sammy, Rine, Rabach, Thomas and Heyer for another year I think you might be able to pass by on that line for another year until major upgrades are needed. I think you have to give Heyer a chance to play an entire year. Revamp the Dline first With all due respect, our OL needs to be revamped. Look at our statistics from last year. We had a decent DL and our OL stunk to put it mildly. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Champ Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 yes, superbowl here we come! but seriously he should say some negative stuff. maybe that would motivate em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Made Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Bugel learned a lot from Gibbs and how to treat players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGREENHULK Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Wow, somebody get a shovel! According to that, we have an unbelievable line all the way around! One of these days one of our guys is going to get into a stance and not be able to get back up.....then what? Add some youth this year..thats all we want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Well guys, you heard the man. O-line is not a weakness, let's get a defensive back!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Wow, somebody get a shovel! According to that, we have an unbelievable line all the way around! How about a front end loader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Well guys, you heard the man. O-line is not a weakness, let's get a defensive back!!! He definitely did not say that we don't need Oline help, for those who didn't see the interview and are going only by quotes in this thread. There's a big difference between thinking we're fine and publicly humiliating your players. Buges knows the difference. Apparently some of you guys don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Sad thing is Buges needs to realize that these guys are old and new blood is needed on the OL. He's been known to establish a bond with his OL, like family. He needs to separate his feelings from their play and see the forest for the trees. It would be nice to know if Buges realized it or not. He did replace 3 starters when he got here in 1981 and had a young center who'd come off the trash heap who became a pretty solid starter. During Gibbs second go around, the center and LG changed and he has used every resource at his disposal to get depth. In any case, again ,he's got a severe resource shortage to do anything about it this year it except to be positive about what he's got. He'll get one or two quality guys and maybe a couple more from different NFL trash heaps to see if they're any better than what he's already got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 It would be nice to know if Buges realized it or not. He did replace 3 starters when he got here in 1981 and had a young center who'd come off the trash heap who became a pretty solid starter. During Gibbs second go around, the center and LG changed and he has used every resource at his disposal to get depth. In any case, again ,he's got a severe resource shortage to do anything about it this year it except to be positive about what he's got. He'll get one or two quality guys and maybe a couple more from different NFL trash heaps to see if they're any better than what he's already got. He knows. He's just too loyal to his guys to say anything in public about them. But he knows what needs to be done and won't hesitate to do it. No need for public humiliation in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 He knows. He's just too loyal to his guys to say anything in public about them. But he knows what needs to be done and won't hesitate to do it. No need for public humiliation in the process. You mistake what we're saying. These quotes are all I have to go from, so perhaps he mentioned it but it wasn't quoted, but what we want to see is "we're going to look to get young replacements for these great offensive linemen who are in the twilight of their careers." Was that last sentence humiliating to anyone? I'm not saying he should bash his players, but an indication that he would like to ease these guys out to pasture would be nice. Instead we get Randy Thomas can play til he's 50 and Kendall is our future at LG. Exaggerations, of course, but it would be nice if he gave an indication that he would like to get younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 You mistake what we're saying. These quotes are all I have to go from, so perhaps he mentioned it but it wasn't quoted, but what we want to see is "we're going to look to get young replacements for these great offensive linemen who are in the twilight of their careers." Was that last sentence humiliating to anyone?I'm not saying he should bash his players, but an indication that he would like to ease these guys out to pasture would be nice. Instead we get Randy Thomas can play til he's 50 and Kendall is our future at LG. Exaggerations, of course, but it would be nice if he gave an indication that he would like to get younger. Nah I know what you're saying. And a big part of the interview was him saying that they would have to look for younger player if I recall correctly. He was just giving update on the players we already have in the part that was quoted here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 we need o line help but where is a big debate I say everywhere!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'Em84 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 we need o line helpbut where is a big debate I say everywhere!!!! Merging the threads on your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Merging the threads on your own? I decided to express a few of my opinions in Haiku's for a while. It makes my posts shorter. Whats up with Heyer? Will he be a good starter? Or just a backup? What about Kendall? I called Rinehart a monster, ...in the preseason... we have some backups but could they be good starters? Why not play rookies? how bad is our line? we did not bench our starters are the subs bad too? how bad are our subs? a bunch of undrafted guys can we call that depth? has Buges lost his touch? or does Zorn just not have "it" just thirteen yards short We can't even run Portis started offso strong then hit a bick wall ok, thats all I've got on this topic for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 He definitely did not say that we don't need Oline help, for those who didn't see the interview and are going only by quotes in this thread. There's a big difference between thinking we're fine and publicly humiliating your players. Buges knows the difference. Apparently some of you guys don't. QFT. It's like if a coach doesn't throw his players under the bus, some people think it means we don't realize an area is a weakness. Those same people get ticked when they are called bashers/haters, yet can't wait to label someone a homer or blind if there isn't any pessimism in their post. Nowhere did Buges suggest the OL is fine as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 QFT. It's like if a coach doesn't throw his players under the bus, some people think it means we don't realize an area is a weakness. Those same people get ticked when they are called bashers/haters, yet can't wait to label someone a homer or blind if there isn't any pessimism in their post. Nowhere did Buges suggest the OL is fine as is. Even Randy Thomas said they needed help last offseason. I think Buges is probly of the same opinion but wont really say it publically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABSTRACT Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 lol Bugel was just keeping it political for the public as always. RineHart will start and we will draft a OL gem in the draft after picking up Brian Orakop. (or however u spell his name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I guess no one reads Redskins.com, because this info has been up there for over a week. I'm surprised it has taken this long to get posted. http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Ever_Loyal__Bugel_Discusses_State_Of_the_O_Line_32019.jsp BTW, I don't really see much in Buges' comments that contradicts much that was said in JLC's article. Yes, he's a ray of sunshine about his players in public, but you can also read between the lines a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROSCOUT Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 All that BUGLE speak is the same ole stuff we had last summer when he said Jansen was looking as good as ever and Heyer was the "great kid" and Randy Thomas is a "beast". Go to the Bengals site or the Lions site and you'll get the same kind of optimistic praise from their coaches. Thats what coaches are paid to say but reality is on Sunday and we all watched Jansen get ripped a new one everytime he came up against a speed rusher, Heyer is having a problem staying healthy because he gets pushed around, maybe he needs to work out a bit more in the offseason, and Randy Thomas has been bitten by the injury bug for several seasons in a row now and he is obviously nearing the end. So what did you expect Bugel to say? Certainly not what I just said. But he is thinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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