Stonoman Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I feel the redskins should look for athletes.Then use them where needed.It may take a year or two but an athlete is an athlete.What good is a 6 foot five guy that cant move or think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shore-skin Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 We are in big, big trouble.Too many holes, no cap room, few draft picks, and a front office ran by two guys who can't evaluate talent. Yes we are in DEEP, DEEP trouble; we had an .500 record with a rookie head coach who's never been a coordinator; our QB, if nothing else, will have a much better understanding of the offense and another year of experience; we have 3 young receivers who, if nothing else, will have a much better understanding of the offense and have the potential to make a difference in our passing game; have the cap room to add at least 1 significant FA, and have the 13th pick in the draft. I by no means think the 'Skins are a favorite to win anything going in to next season; but come on, people around here act like we're the Lions (no offense intended). This is the NFL, as long as you have a winning record, and get hot at the right time, anything can happen...Cardinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROSCOUT Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Bobby Beathard traded picks all the time.Erasmus cost us little more than taking up a roster spot. It was a gamble that didn't work out, but we knew it was a gamble going in, and many here applauded the move at the time. We applauded the move because we mistakely believed that the Skins physicians and personnel department could evaluate players. Put me in the position and I could probably have told you that the guy just can't move with the quickness to play in the NFL. I would have worked him out against our sorry offensive tackles and once they dominated him, then he would have been history. Do the Skins do that? Nooooooooooo. They led all of us to believe that he was coming along fine, had a bit of a burst, and was going to lose weight and be his old self. WRONG. The problem is not with us fans believing, its that the Skins have a sorry bunch of people who evaluate talent. We all need to stop wearing Bergundy colored glasses and start listening to other teams when they say this player or that player has lost a step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevilhimself Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Picking up players like James was a good idea, he was viewed as something of a 2 year project . If you had a full complement of defensive ends as we did when we made the trade, it would be no foul to have put him on IR for the season and let the training staff really get to grips with him . The problem is when Daniels and Buzzbee and then Taylor got injured in the preseason suddenly plans have to change . Now it looks like if you have a pulse you may be called on to play DE so the team could not shuffle James onto IR . That put him into exactly the same possition he was in with the Vikings (i.e. he was being called upon to play before he was ready) When further injuries struck then it became obvious James was not healing, (perhaps because he was not giving himself chance too) and with no progress being made in year one of the plan essentially he was using up a valuble roster space . I think the FO is wise to make these moves, they are no risk with potential high rewards . I think we had some good potential players on the PS last year as the unit was raped a pillaged by other teams (Crummley, Gatewood, Mattereal Richardson, Devin Aromashodu were all signed to active rosters). Marcus Masson didn't even make it back to the PS . Even JLC made the comment in December http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/redskins_practice_squad_gets_h.html What we need to do is find a way to feed these guys into th active roster program . I think one theing the NFL should do in the next few years with the demise of the NFLE and the constant rumors of a longer regular season is extend the size of the rosters to 60-65 (and make the game day active roster up to 52-57) to encourage and reward teams for developing their own talent . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 This good be a good thing moving forward. We are forced to rely on scouting and to get in a mindset where the onus is maximum value. While that philosophy has served some teams well, no team is comprised solely of these types of players.I hope it helps us to strike a medium in combining solid draft picks, udfa's and street/waiver/low-cost fa's with the existing talent we have and more renown free-agents. except that in the past there weren't 32 other teams with their personnel depts doing the same thing. the current strategy as Bulldog is really saying...is forced by circumstances (read mismanagement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Yes we are in DEEP, DEEP trouble; we had an .500 record with a rookie head coach who's never been a coordinator; our QB, if nothing else, will have a much better understanding of the offense and another year of experience; we have 3 young receivers who, if nothing else, will have a much better understanding of the offense and have the potential to make a difference in our passing game; have the cap room to add at least 1 significant FA, and have the 13th pick in the draft.I by no means think the 'Skins are a favorite to win anything going in to next season; but come on, people around here act like we're the Lions (no offense intended). This is the NFL, as long as you have a winning record, and get hot at the right time, anything can happen...Cardinals. why you're right...we have a talent base at least equal to the Cradinals! and yes...betting on "anything can happen" is a solid strategy for building and sustaining a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 So does this mean we're gonna try to trade Betts? What can we get for him? Doc and Mitch were just talking about that Friday. I'm undecided. They mentioned when he was 'the' guy when CP went down in 2006 he was like a machine. They believe he is being complacent and is comfortable being the backup. Obviously his value has diminished, but a mid round pick is certainly doable I think. I think we should explore it and a Rogers trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I like Betts but it can't hurt to explore trade possibilities. I just can't see him bringing enough to make it worth while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 Betts is 30 years old. He doesn't have the trade value people here would expect as running back is a position where former 1,000 yard rushers seem to come available each offseason. Why trade for Betts when you can sign a younger and more recently productive Derrick Ward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Doc and Mitch were just talking about that Friday. I'm undecided. They mentioned when he was 'the' guy when CP went down in 2006 he was like a machine. They believe he is being complacent and is comfortable being the backup. Obviously his value has diminished, but a mid round pick is certainly doable I think. I think we should explore it and a Rogers trade. If Jim Zorn aims for his 60/40 pass to run ratio in 2009, Ladell's value goes up and Clinton's down. But, beyond that, if the Skins were to trade the solid team-player and keep the loudmouth prima donna, I'd turn in my fan card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpheusmeyers Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Betts is 30 years old. He doesn't have the trade value people here would expect as running back is a position where former 1,000 yard rushers seem to come available each offseason.Why trade for Betts when you can sign a younger and more recently productive Derrick Ward? Agreed that at 30 Betts doesn't have much trade value. OF what do you think is fair value for him? 5th rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shore-skin Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 why you're right...we have a talent base at least equal to the Cradinals! and yes...betting on "anything can happen" is a solid strategy for building and sustaining a team. I did not say that "betting on anything can happen" would be the best strategy to build and sustain a team. I am merely pointing out the fact that we were a game or two away from making the playoffs, and if we played like we did when we played the 2 teams in the NFC championship, playing in a super bowl is in the "realm of possibility". I am as upset as anyone that we only have 4 draft picks this year, and I know the 'Skins have holes, but I also know that just about every other team in the league has has holes too, and some of the best teams will still have holes during the season, but the way they are able to perform, and the ability to mask those holes is what makes teams good. If we can upgrade the O-line a little, possibly get somebody on the D-line, then we can mask our lack of depth at LB...just an example. Those are my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 except that in the past there weren't 32 other teams with their personnel depts doing the same thing. the current strategy as Bulldog is really saying...is forced by circumstances (read mismanagement). I know that is what he is saying but he'd be flat out wrong to believe this. Us going after and signing undrafted, cheap, expendable players isn't done because our front office has mismanaged the team, its done because its smart business. Meet James Harrison, the NFL's Defensive Player of the year 2009. The man holds the record for the longest TD ever in a Superbowl. The man was undrafted when he entered the league in 2002 and signed with Pittsburgh. He was cut from the Pittsburgh Steelers practice squad several times between 2002 and 2004 and since has won the highest individual awards in his profession. Oh and in case anyone forgot Pittsburgh just won the Superbowl These are the types of diamonds in the rough that every team in the league is searching for. It doesn't matter if your teams the Champs or the winless Lions, you need to find cheap players to make an impact on your team and balance out the salary cap. We can't have probowlers at every position, we need more work horses like London Fletchers to win in the devision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Doc and Mitch were just talking about that Friday. I'm undecided. They mentioned when he was 'the' guy when CP went down in 2006 he was like a machine. They believe he is being complacent and is comfortable being the backup. Obviously his value has diminished, but a mid round pick is certainly doable I think. I think we should explore it and a Rogers trade. We'd be lucky to get a 7th for Betts, he hasn't done anything for 3 years worth mentioning and the only thing in his favor is that he hasn't been used much. Trade him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Why trade for Betts when you can sign a younger and more recently productive Derrick Ward? Price? Wards going to demand a much high salary then Betts will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 If Jim Zorn aims for his 60/40 pass to run ratio in 2009, Ladell's value goes up and Clinton's down.But, beyond that, if the Skins were to trade the solid team-player and keep the loudmouth prima donna, I'd turn in my fan card. Betts is an excellent receiver. I like him OF - always have. He is also good for draw plays. I would not mind trading CP when his cap hit is not so great. I never thought I would say that, but I'm comfortable with it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I did not say that "betting on anything can happen" would be the best strategy to build and sustain a team. I am merely pointing out the fact that we were a game or two away from making the playoffs, and if we played like we did when we played the 2 teams in the NFC championship, playing in a super bowl is in the "realm of possibility". I am as upset as anyone that we only have 4 draft picks this year, and I know the 'Skins have holes, but I also know that just about every other team in the league has has holes too, and some of the best teams will still have holes during the season, but the way they are able to perform, and the ability to mask those holes is what makes teams good. If we can upgrade the O-line a little, possibly get somebody on the D-line, then we can mask our lack of depth at LB...just an example. Those are my thoughts. ok...you're entitled to your opinion. I tend to look at things in patterns...and while close is enough for many...the fact is this team hasn't been close for over a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Betts is an excellent receiver. I like him OF - always have. He is also good for draw plays. I would not mind trading CP when his cap hit is not so great. I never thought I would say that, but I'm comfortable with it now. even when Betts was enjoying his one capable season he had zero break-away potential. he's gotten better at seeing the holes...but he's no one to hang your hat on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 even when Betts was enjoying his one capable season he had zero break-away potential. he's gotten better at seeing the holes...but he's no one to hang your hat on. I've never seen a RB run up the backs of OLmen more than Betts. It's like he has his helmet on backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 If Jim Zorn aims for his 60/40 pass to run ratio in 2009, Ladell's value goes up and Clinton's down.But, beyond that, if the Skins were to trade the solid team-player and keep the loudmouth prima donna, I'd turn in my fan card. But the question I have is more about us signing a back with similar pass catching abilities to Betts, but who's quicker. Like Dorsey and Aldridge. What I'm thinking about is what Turner got when he went to Atlanta (after being the backup to LT for a few years). I wonder if any other teams think Betts can have a year like Turner had last year, and if they think he's a quality number 1 back. And I'd much rather have a possible HOF running back who we can build a team around (Riggins, Portis) than a nice backup running back. But thats just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Every team every year does this, so this post can be put on any message board in the country. Expect more depth signings of camp fodder? Of course...we could be the deepest team in the NFL and we'd still be signing these guys...they are bodies for camp, who maybe put on a show and have a glimmer of hope to make the final roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Every team every year does this, so this post can be put on any message board in the country. Expect more depth signings of camp fodder? Of course...we could be the deepest team in the NFL and we'd still be signing these guys...they are bodies for camp, who maybe put on a show and have a glimmer of hope to make the final roster. But the thing is that we aren't just signing any players. Two players we've signed fit into an area that the fans have been saying that we need for a while now. So even if Dorsey and Aldridge don't make the roster, I'd expect us to have a quick change of pace back on the roster by the time the season starts. Signing these two players now just gives us more time to judge their abilities (minicamps), as well as they may be less likely to have that rookie learning curve or to hit that rookie wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shore-skin Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 ok...you're entitled to your opinion. I tend to look at things in patterns...and while close is enough for many...the fact is this team hasn't been close for over a decade. I agree...my original post was merely disputing the statement that we are in Huge trouble...are we in an ideal scenario? No. But I also don't think this team is in so bad of a situation that it cannot be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I agree...my original post was merely disputing the statement that we are in Huge trouble...are we in an ideal scenario? No. But I also don't think this team is in so bad of a situation that it cannot be saved. Unfortunately, that's also the sentiment that has hurt this team's progress, the continual belief that we are only one or two pieces from "making it." The team teases us with 8-8, 9-7, 10-6 and a couple playoff appearances. Just enough to keep our interest, even though the team isn't a true contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Since when has one team seen all it's draft picks make the team let alone all impact it? Not that I would not like to see the team building more with youth, I think signing these cheap F/A's if properly scouted is better then counting on every late pick (aft. the 3rd rnd.) to be a Chris Horton. And it certainly is better than the quick fix of a late addtion trade. Give some credit where credit is due. QFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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