Iowa Redskin Fan Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I have to agree with Stew, Chris Cooley is a great player and alot of us are fans of his, but I think it would be a great time to trade him for picks and move on. Chris seems alittle slow on the field, his blocking isn't the best, so I think we would be just fine with Fred Davis.:dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 You hate the cap because it puts everyone on a level playing field. Unlike the past (pre-cap), everyone has a chance to win (Carolina, Rams, Cards, etc) instead of the same old teams in the SB year after year. Even if the cap went away, the Skins don't have a Beathard anymore to make great decisions. I would say that the Skins would throw mad amounts of money at veterans that don't pan out because the Skins' FO isn't as football-smart as 90% of the other teams. The CBA and FA have made the NFL weak and boring in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Portis is NOT expendable. You guys will miss him when he's gone.Other than him though.. Cooley, Samuels, maybe Thomas, Fletcher, Rogers, Hall, Landry, and Horton are the only guys I'd be particularly worried about letting go. I agree. I'd also like to point out- 5 Draft picks 4 Free Agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTNumber7 Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 The idea of trading Cooley is interesting, and I'll admit that it is one that I hadn't considered. I also love Cooley, but Davis is a potential star in this league. I wondered when Snyder drafted him how they would get both TE's enough playing time. I'll bet you anything that we don't see this happen, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero21 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Why is it that when we finally do find Pro Bowl players in the Draft, we want to trade them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROSCOUT Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Taylor, Washington and Springs because he's (Springs) constantly injured for what were paying him, he's not worth it. This is so obvious that sometimes I feel like I am in the twilight zone. I keep wondering, IS IT JUST ME? Am I the only one who sees Springs go down and get injured every season and still gets payed more than any other DB? And then we always get the Springs fans who break out the stats and tell us how he hasn't missed all that many games, and then they include the games in which he played 2 plays and got hurt or the games in which he played injured and needed safety help. The reality is that when Springs has been healthy he has been PRO BOWL level. But he always gets injured, and misses some time, and he is also at that age where he is more likely to be bothered by nagging injuries, but his speed and quickness will almost certainly deteriorate at an accelerated pace. I have made several predictions and one of them is that Springs will not be a Redskin this coming season. Cap number is too high and if the Skins keep him, they will be paying 8 million dollars for a part time player. But then, remember, Danny and Vinnie make the decisions, so since they usually do the opposite of what is smart, they will probably keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Redskin Fan Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Why is it that when we finally do find Pro Bowl players in the Draft, we want to trade them? I just feel this is the best time to trade him, his stock is as high as it will probably be and we have a very good replacement waiting in the wings. With a little playing time I think Fred Davis would be pro bowl material also. Even for some reason he wouldn't be a pro bowler, he should be a very capable tight end. What we get for Cooley for a pick or picks, we could get a very good lineman with. I hate to repeat what everyone says on here, but if we get some studs upfront on both sides of the ball, I think we will be doing alot of victory celebrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Redskin Fan Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I just feel this is the best time to trade him, his stock is as high as it will probably be and we have a very good replacement waiting in the wings. With a little playing time I think Fred Davis would be pro bowl material also. Even for some reason he wouldn't be a pro bowler, he should be a very capable tight end. What we get for Cooley for a pick or picks, we could get a very good lineman with. I hate to repeat what everyone says on here, but if we get some studs upfront on both sides of the ball, I think we will be doing alot of victory celebrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Redskin Fan Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I just feel this is the best time to trade him, his stock is as high as it will probably be and we have a very good replacement waiting in the wings. With a little playing time I think Fred Davis would be pro bowl material also. Even for some reason he wouldn't be a pro bowler, he should be a very capable tight end. What we get for Cooley for a pick or picks, we could get a very good lineman with. I hate to repeat what everyone says on here, but if we get some studs upfront on both sides of the ball, I think we will be doing alot of victory celebrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Redskin Fan Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Sorry about all that, having trouble with my computer. What I was trying to say is Cooley's stock is about as high as it will get right now, so get a good pick or picks for him now while we have a very capable backup behind him and don't lose much for productivity. Fred Davis will get some consideration for the pro bowl in time. (JMO) Then we could go after some stud lineman with that pick or picks for both sides of the ball. Like alot of people say on here, that is where it all starts(upfront). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpheusmeyers Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I would not have extended Carter or Randle El. quote]Me, either. And I thought El was in danger of being a cap casualty. Not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysaskin Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Suisham is expendable, or he darn well better be. I am so frustrated with Snyderatto's lack of understanding of how vital a good Kicker is. Look at the play-off teams: You've got Kasey, Rackers, Akers, Reed, Viniateri etc. What do we have? Shaun Suisham, with the lowest FG percentage in the league, and how do we respond we sign Dave Rayner with an even lower FG percentage. Does the Danny seriously want to make every PAT a gamble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro281 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I'd say there are a couple of starters, but many more "depth guys" on this team that are expendable, especially the older depth guys. On offense: -Jason Fabini: O-line is in bad shape, and the last thing we need is an older vet taking up valuable space, especially if we draft anybody on the o-line. Since Jansen is basically un-cuttable due to cap reasons, he can take Fabini's spot and clear up at least 1 space for a younger guy to prove himself -Ladell Betts/Rock Cartwright: This one is slightly conditional. Betts is still a solid backup, but he's not the change-of-pace back that's needed to scare defense for a quick score when he's on the field. If we get that back and can't trade Betts, he could go back to returning kicks like he used to do, thus making Rock expendable (yes, I can feel the wrath of Blondie already). Betts would drop to 2/3 on the depth chart, and could go in in Portis is injured to keep the double-threat at RB. -Thrash: Thrash is another guy that's had his 9 lives on this team. Thrash is at the end of his career, and should probably retire, but needs to be replaced by a young, hungry player eager to prove himself. On defense: -Shawn Springs: Yes, he is arguably the best corner we have....when he's healthy, which is becoming rarer at his age. At $8+ million against the cap, we can't afford to keep him to only participate in 7-8 games, and lowering his cap by extending him is a mistake in my opinion. If Hall is resigned, Springs is definately gone. -Marcus Washington: I've been a huge fan of Marcus since he got here, but his injuries are catching up to him. If there was some way to know that he'd make it thru the entire season healthy then I'd keep him in a heartbeat, but his recent history suggests otherwise -Jason Taylor: Taylor is bascially the most expendable guy on the team because he costs nothing to cut and would save us ~$8.5 million in cap room. If Greg Blanche stays as D-coordinator, Evans is a better fit in this system than Taylor (but don't expect me to argue that Evans is better than Taylor, just a better fit) -Cornelius Griffin: Griff is another player that's solid when healthy, but is getting older and playing a position that takes a heavy toll on the body. I think the Skins try to get younger at this position (at least I hope they do), and Griff could be a cap casualty since he would save ~$4 million I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 the real shame on this team is there are so many players that are not expendable because of the outrageous contracts the Redskins signed them to. with few other teams do you hear the argument about 'we have to keep X player because of his contract'. here it is the norm. Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, Randle El, Andre Carter. All of these players need to be replaced but it won't happen in 2009 because of the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveWarrior Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Anyone on this team (especially the older players) is expendable. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysaskin Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I would do a dance for joy if Vinny was expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PROSCOUT Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Marcus Washington and Jason Taylor are both poised to be competing for the same job, which is right side linebacker. Can't keep both of them so one of them has to go, and since Marcus has true knee problems and has been injured consistently over the past 2 seasons, I believe the Skins might have to let him go. As for Taylor, IF he wants to come back, then I believe the Skins will bring him back and pay him his 8 million dollars, otherwise Vinnie looks like an idiot giving up this years 2nd round pick for nothing. Taylor comes back......Marcus is cut. Thats would be my thought on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 the real shame on this team is there are so many players that are not expendable because of the outrageous contracts the Redskins signed them to.with few other teams do you hear the argument about 'we have to keep X player because of his contract'. here it is the norm. Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, Randle El, Andre Carter. All of these players need to be replaced but it won't happen in 2009 because of the cap. Got a question about the cap and thought I would ask it here since I can't post new threads. If 2010 is an uncapped year can we re-write the bad contracts we have with the players you mentioned, pay them their due all in 2010, meaning that will be their last year playing for us to help us in 2011 and beyond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Marcus Washington and Jason Taylor are both poised to be competing for the same job, which is right side linebacker.Can't keep both of them so one of them has to go, and since Marcus has true knee problems and has been injured consistently over the past 2 seasons, I believe the Skins might have to let him go. As for Taylor, IF he wants to come back, then I believe the Skins will bring him back and pay him his 8 million dollars, otherwise Vinnie looks like an idiot giving up this years 2nd round pick for nothing. Taylor comes back......Marcus is cut. Thats would be my thought on the matter. Point well taken, but he could also be forgiven if he were to sign a FA replacement or draft a OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjm4soccer Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Got a question about the cap and thought I would ask it here since I can't post new threads. If 2010 is an uncapped year can we re-write the bad contracts we have with the players you mentioned, pay them their due all in 2010, meaning that will be their last year playing for us to help us in 2011 and beyond? I think this is a big reason for the restructuring of Randle El and Carter, so that they could potentially be cut in 2010 with little if any cap hit if I read the other articles correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro281 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Marcus Washington and Jason Taylor are both poised to be competing for the same job, which is right side linebacker... I've been wondering since last season, if it's that easy for someone to switch positions (DE to OLB), why didn't the team at least try this with Chris Wilson? In fact, why isn't this something they could look into this year? Sorry to threadjack, as you were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Cooley and Portis are not going anywhere (at least this season). Cooley has an $11 million cap hit Portis $13 million hit As for Carter and Randle-El both could be cut next year (barring a new CBA) read these tidbits by JLC on their contracts. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/the_full_carter_and_randle_el.html?wprss=redskinsinsider Andre Carter: "And he has a $7.25 million option bonus in 2010, which the club has until Aug. 31, 2010 to decide whether or not to pick up. If that option bonus is executed, then Carter's deal extends through 2015, with that $7.25 million then prorated over the ensuing six seasons." - so basically, the Skins guaranteed $$ to Carter this season and moved money around into a possible bonus/extention for 2010. If the Skins cut him in 2010, there are no cap hits b/c of the capless year. If they want him they'll pay the bonus. More or less the Skins have given Carter a 1yr. deal with a option. Randle-El "he has a $6.25 million option bonus in 2010, which the club has until Aug. 31, 2010 to decide whether or not to pick up. If that option bonus is executed, then Randle El's deal can go through 2015, with that $6.25 million prorated over the ensuing six seasons" -Again 1 year deal with an option. In the process the Skins save $4.4 million and can cut or keep either in 2010 as they please. Only problem that would occur is if a new CBA is done and it appears neither the owners or the NFLPA are interested in that until after 2010. As for who I think the Skins will cut and might (but probably won't) cut can be found at the links below. http://walkingdeadmanblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/who-stays-and-who-goes-tough-decisions.html http://walkingdeadmanblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/who-stays-and-who-goes-part-2-of-3.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM916 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 At this point, I might be convinced to cut/trade almost anyone. Not only to save cap space but to move on, rebuild, and get younger. We have several highly paid skill players without a supporting cast and several of the handful of younger guys we do have don't seem to be ready yet if they pan out at all. I don't hate the salary cap nearly as much as I hate the ridiculous penalties involved when you make a stupid deal or constantly restructure to get under. We will be stuck with some of our vets until they can no longer stand and even then, we may have to keep them on the roster. I've heard we actually took a cap hit for Sean Taylor, which is especially ridiculous. The salary cap would be fine if you could sign and release at will with only players actually on the team counting towards it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I've heard we actually took a cap hit for Sean Taylor, which is especially ridiculous. Yep, if memory serves he was a 2.83 million cap hit last year. Also, here is the "dead cap" hit the Skins are taking for 2009 (from Warpath) Dead Bonus Money on 2009 Cap WR Brandon Lloyd $5,333 OL Todd Wade $1,167 S Vernon Fox $100 P Durant Brooks $87 TE Tyler Ecker $29 http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Everyone is expendable. Some players though would destroy your cap that you would have to field an all rookie free agent team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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