Was Lincoln a racist?

[D'KanSkinFan]

Please elaborate because I have no clue what you're saying.

As a humanitarian~ Lincoln recognized the ignorance of the Southern "familes" towards their slaves. Did Lincoln have slaves, yes~ did he treat them badly, no.

You see, Lincoln housed, fed, clothed and gave gifts of money and other items to his "slaves", but he treated them with kindness and compassion; much like all the people of the North did.

The South, however, were known to treat their slaves badly~ horrific according to what I have read and did thesis' on for many history and English courses.

Lincoln had the usual "house servants", not unlike we have today~but we "today" call them housekeepers, chauffers, baby sitters, nannies.......and the list goes on. Through history, we have given people who work for a living money NOW vs housing, food, clothing, gifts, furniture because of the labor law issues.

This is "where" I cam up with the Humanitarian and how Lincoln "treated" his slaves ..........

You see slavery didn't just apply to the Negro race~ it also applied to the American Indian and all other nationalities that came to this country via boats. Men, women and children of all colors were put to work for "masters" as long as there was a housing, food, clothing compensation; if there wasn't they were beggers and lived on the street. This is where the prostitution of the North originated from, in my gathering of information.

Hope this explains my humanitarian description of Lincoln.....and the "North".

[rincewind]

It is downright laughable to argue that someone treated their slaves in a fine fashion. Even Washington's slave that he felt he treated as a son bolted at the first opportunity.

[Heisenberg]

It is downright laughable to argue that someone treated their slaves in a fine fashion. Even Washington's slave that he felt he treated as a son bolted at the first opportunity.

The whole post was pretty laughable.

The fact that he used " " around the word slaves is both very concerning and funny at the same time.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I'm calling BS on D'Kan.

Link or proof or I don't buy it.

[Predicto]

As a humanitarian~ Lincoln recognized the ignorance of the Southern "familes" towards their slaves. Did Lincoln have slaves' date=' yes~ did he treat them badly, no.

You see, Lincoln housed, fed, clothed and gave gifts of money and other items to his "slaves", but he treated them with kindness and compassion; much like all the people of the North did.

The South, however, were known to treat their slaves badly~ horrific according to what I have read and did thesis' on for many history and English courses.

Lincoln had the usual "house servants", not unlike we have today~but we "today" call them housekeepers, chauffers, baby sitters, nannies.......and the list goes on. Through history, we have given people who work for a living money NOW vs housing, food, clothing, gifts, furniture because of the labor law issues.

This is "where" I cam up with the Humanitarian and how Lincoln "treated" his slaves ..........

You see slavery didn't just apply to the Negro race~ it also applied to the American Indian and all other nationalities that came to this country via boats. Men, women and children of all colors were put to work for "masters" as long as there was a housing, food, clothing compensation; if there wasn't they were beggers and lived on the street. This is where the prostitution of the North originated from, in my gathering of information.

Hope this explains my humanitarian description of Lincoln.....and the "North".[/quote']

This still makes no sense, at least not to me. :whoknows:

[D'KanSkinFan]

I'm calling BS on D'Kan.

Link or proof or I don't buy it.

I don't care if you call BS~

What link or proof do you want? A copy of my thesis? Send me your address

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I don't care if you call BS~

What link or proof do you want? A copy of my thesis? Send me your address

If you wrote a thesis on it you surely used some sources.

Link me to them, or give me titles and I'll look them up myself.

Because I don't buy that Lincoln wasn't racist.

[Predicto]

Is D'Kan trying to say that working for low wages or at menial jobs is somehow worse than (or perhaps equivalent to) the involuntary slavery of a race of people?

[BigMike619]

its interesting to watch someone else get ganged up on from the outside.

[TheGoodBits]

Lincoln was also quite possibly gay. Don't usually read that in your history books, but it's true.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Lincoln was also quite possibly gay. Don't usually read that in your history books, but it's true.

I heard about that stuff too...let's add some more to this list.

So Lincoln is now:

Racist

Gay

Next we are going to hear that Lincoln was a known marijuana grower and user.

[Midnight Judges]

Lincoln was also quite possibly gay. Don't usually read that in your history books, but it's true.

I've heard that too but according to Dorris Kearns Goodwin, that is probably not the case. Customs were just different back then. Guys slept in the same beds and spoke to each other in very affectionate terms.

[TheGoodBits]

I've heard that too but according to Dorris Kearns Goodwin, that is probably not the case. Customs were just different back then. Guys slept in the same beds and spoke to each other in very effectionate terms.

Yeah but that wasn't the only reason. I can't remember everything I learned about that in some cultural signs class my freshman year, but there was a lot more than just him sleeping naked in a bed with another guy.

[D'KanSkinFan]

its interesting to watch someone else get ganged up on from the outside.

I don't care if they gang up on me ; because I will search the internet to find an answer for them, since my thesis was written prior to the INTERNET . Yes, fellas~ PRIOR to the internet~ hard to imagine "back in the day" my generation would give you this gift of the internet

Here is a "small" link~ http://140.122.100.145/ntnuj/j28/j28-13.pdf

And as far as housekeepers, chauffers, nannies, baby sitters, gardners~ menial tasks?

No~ this is not a menial task~ but "back in the 1800's THEIR times and education level drove them to believe these WERE menial tasks;)

I do this type of work everyday, besides my PAYING job, and I can tell you, the tasks aren't menial:).

OBTW~ I am a woman, "for the record";)

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Alright I'll give that a look when I get a chance, but the reason why I was asking for titles is because I can access most peer-reviewed journals etc online through VTs library.

[Predicto]

I don't care if they gang up on me ; because I will search the internet to find an answer for them' date=' since my thesis was written prior to the INTERNET . Yes, fellas~ PRIOR to the internet~ hard to imagine "back in the day" my generation would give you this gift of the internet

Here is a "small" link~ [url']http://140.122.100.145/ntnuj/j28/j28-13.pdf[/url]

And as far as housekeepers, chauffers, nannies, baby sitters, gardners~ menial tasks?

No~ this is not a menial task~ but "back in the 1800's THEIR times and education level drove them to believe these WERE menial tasks;)

I do this type of work everyday, besides my PAYING job, and I can tell you, the tasks aren't menial:).

OBTW~ I am a woman, "for the record";)

Well then I still have no freaking idea what point you ARE trying to make, with regards to this thread.

[D'KanSkinFan]

I heard about that stuff too...let's add some more to this list.

So Lincoln is now:

Racist

Gay

Next we are going to hear that Lincoln was a known marijuana grower and user.

Gay? No he was married to Mary, after his life love/soul mate died~ and Mary had permanent PMS;)

[D'KanSkinFan]

Well then I still have no freaking idea what point you ARE trying to make, with regards to this thread.

Back to my original statement~ Lincoln was not a racist, he was a humanitarian. (for his "time" in history and the undereducated society of the 1800's)

[D'KanSkinFan]

Alright I'll give that a look when I get a chance, but the reason why I was asking for titles is because I can access most peer-reviewed journals etc online through VTs library.

That is so cool; I can do the same through the college I work at~ This "online" stuff is 'somethin' else

[Predicto]

Back to my original statement~ Lincoln was not a racist' date=' he was a humanitarian. (for his "time" in history and the undereducated society of the 1800's)[/quote']

Ahh. Well, I agree (sort of).

He was both of those things (racist and enlightened for his time), and he changed over time to become less racist, and he was a great man.

[Heisenberg]

Back to my original statement~ Lincoln was not a racist' date=' he was a humanitarian. (for his "time" in history and the undereducated society of the 1800's)[/quote']

I'm just a bit confused, simply because the definition of the word "racist" doesn't change depending on the time period you are referring to.

By pretty much any definition Lincoln was a racist and a slave owner - what you can say is that he was more enlightened than a lot of people during the time period and helped implement action that would lead to the end of racist institutions like slavery.

[D'KanSkinFan]

Ahh. Well, I agree (sort of).

He was both of those things (racist and enlightened for his time), and he changed over time to become less racist, and he was a great man.

I understand what you are saying; but to use "one label" of racist~ isn't accurate when applying the word towards Lincoln.

You see, I could use the term racist also because I am American Indian/Irish/Scottish/English/German heritage. And Lincoln "in the 1800's" hated the Irish;)

"Oh well"; we've come a long way baby .

[D'KanSkinFan]

I'm just a bit confused, simply because the definition of the word "racist" doesn't change depending on the time period you are referring to.

By pretty much any definition Lincoln was a racist and a slave owner - what you can say is that he was more enlightened than a lot of people during the time period and helped implement action that would lead to the end of racist institutions like slavery.

I see your point; however,

JMU~ Unfortunately people "lump" slave "racist" owners into the category of how the South treated their slaves. Definition of racist: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist

Intelectual business/land owners people of the 1800's had "slaves" of all colors and nationality~ however, the "owners" of the North treated their slaves/workers with dignity and respect.

Lincoln was "one of the types of people" that acted with a humanitarian effort towards his slaves/workers. Back in those times, "workers/ aka, "slaves" ' were given housing, clothing, food and gifts in lieu of money for their services~ so to be lumped under a negative "racist" title I didn't, and still don't, think the negative wording of racist, as defined, applied to Lincoln.

Again, "racist" is subjective - to be determined by the reader, I chose to implement the word humanitarian.

[rincewind]

I see your point; however' date='

JMU~ Unfortunately people "lump" slave "racist" owners into the category of how the South treated their slaves. Definition of racist: [url']http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist[/url]

Intelectual business/land owners people of the 1800's had "slaves" of all colors and nationality~ however, the "owners" of the North treated their slaves/workers with dignity and respect.

Lincoln was "one of the types of people" that acted with a humanitarian effort towards his slaves/workers. Back in those times, "workers/ aka, "slaves" ' were given housing, clothing, food and gifts in lieu of money for their services~ so to be lumped under a negative "racist" title I didn't, and still don't, think the negative wording of racist, as defined, applied to Lincoln.

Again, "racist" is subjective - to be determined by the reader, I chose to implement the word humanitarian.

I'm not going to debate your whole 'racist' argument. But I, once again, want to argue your suggesting that Northerners treated their slaves with dignity. THEY WERE ****ING SLAVES!!!! To suggest that they were treated with dignity and respect while at the same time admitting that they had absolutely no free will in terms of their living arrangement is, at the VERY LEAST, a contradiction in terms. If you believe for one second that the slaves owned by Lincoln were thinking 'oh well, at least I have a fine master who treats me right. I much prefer this to a life where I have full control of my person.' you are sadly mistaken.

[Big Blue Joe]

At least he wasn't a slave-owning monster like Washington or Jefferson.