Burgold Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Not a thing, raise your local taxes and fund away....we do here.It should not be part of a emergency stimulus bill on the federal level. The local governments are broke. Funding local regions who might know how to best channel the money isn't a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I'm actually pretty disappointed. They should have made multiple smaller bills, and really defined what they were supposed to do. I agree with this. I really think every bill should be one idea. I hate these amoeba bills that include everything under the sun. I'd be much happier if they passed 100 little stimulus bill and each idea got a thumbs up or down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The local governments are broke. Funding local regions who might know how to best channel the money isn't a bad thing. Instead of in effect giving your lover a CC and saying have fun. How about looking at and correcting why those local governments are broke? You know so we don't have to stimulate them again in six months:silly: We reward irresponsible behavior and wonder why it doesn't change ,this will end no better than the bank bailout,with waste,fraud and excess:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Monk Fan Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I agree with this. I really think every bill should be one idea. I hate these amoeba bills that include everything under the sun. I'd be much happier if they passed 100 little stimulus bill and each idea got a thumbs up or down. That's really my problem with this too. Look, the guy won and he's going to push his agenda. But cramming all of his new programs into one giant emergency bill and then using scare tactics to get support for it, is a page right out of the Bush play book. Didn't Mr. Hope & Change run on a promise to do things differently? We should be getting a targeted, temporary stimulus bill and then later new spending programs to enact his agenda. He talks about transparency, but seems to be afraid of an open appropriations process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Still, the bullcrap rhetoric is no more productive."Traitors?" Even if it's a bad bill, that's utterly counterproductive. True enough. You should be familiar enough with IHOP's rhetoric though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 How about looking at and correcting why those local governments are broke? Because then it wouldn't be a stimulus. The idea of the stimulus is giving shock paddles to a patient who's just had a heart attack. Mind you, too many electric shocks may have an adverse effect, but if you get it right the heart starts beating again, the patient will then be weak, but can start to recover. But, if you're at the point where you need to apply the paddles, you don't yell at the patient about how to change his diet. That's for afterwards... or preferably beforehand (but obviously, we didn't worry about our diet before this heart attack) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 True enough. You should be familiar enough with IHOP's rhetoric though. Yeah, I know. I keep hoping my fellow conservatives will learn to see the (very small amount of ) good on the other side. But I guess it's possible I'm the only truly open-minded and enlightened conservative on the board. :silly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Because then it wouldn't be a stimulus. Stimulus is wasted on terminal policies. The medicine has side effects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Yeah, I know.I keep hoping my fellow conservatives will learn to see the (very small amount of ) good on the other side. But I guess it's possible I'm the only truly open-minded and enlightened conservative on the board. :silly: See, I believe for the most part Dems MEAN well (hell, I was once a liberal until I took econ in college); just like I think Bush really probably DID think he was protecting the country (Cheney I'm not too sure about :paranoid: ). But the METHODS are ATROCIOUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Stimulus is wasted on terminal policies. You act like tax cuts can't be counter-productive. If you think cutting payroll tax alone would have worked you need to go back to 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 ....."Traitors?" Even if it's a bad bill, that's utterly counterproductive. True enough. You should be familiar enough with IHOP's rhetoric though.Sheeple education continues...the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason Lets see what the rest of the RIGHT THINKING Republicans say about the TRAITORS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Sheeple Education continues.....the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason Lets see what the rest of the RIGHT THINKING Republicans say about the TRAITORS The LAST thing YOU can do is educate me. Sheeple. Where'd you get that word. Be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The LAST thing YOU can do is educate me.Sheeple. Where'd you get that word. Be honest. People + SheepEasily led estray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The LAST thing YOU can do is educate me....Shounds open mindedYou should look up the word conservative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Shounds open minded Oh, and "sheeple education" was an olive branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Oh, and "sheeple education" was an olive branch. "bullcrap rhetoric"Traitor (to the party) is accurate....see definition Just because YOU thinks its Bull....doesn't mean it is educated yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Stimulus is wasted on terminal policies.The medicine has side effects Oh sure. Sometimes those shock paddles bring the patient back and sometimes they wind up killing the patient. Hopefully, our techs know what they're doing. I do suspect it won't be an easy recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 "bullcrap rhetoric"Traitor (to the party) is accurate....see definition Just because YOU thinks its Bull....doesn't mean it is educated yet? Better to be a traitor to the party than to the country :2cents: This isn't the time to play politics and there's too much of that going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Better to be a traitor to the party than to the country.This assumes the Stimulus is a good thing This isn't the time to play politics and there's too much of that going on.I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 You act like tax cuts can't be counter-productive. If you think cutting payroll tax alone would have worked you need to go back to 1980. ?...nice strawman Tax cuts that stimulate investment and new jobs would be nice. Don't recall calling for payroll tax cuts at all. The preferred stimulus option is spending that creates infrastructure and productive jobs,not quasi government social workers. Unfortunately O will work to kill domestic drilling and exploration JOBS while subsidizing alt energy(and not even doing that well) Barack Obama's Interior Secretary Ken Salazar cancelled oil and gas leases on 77 parcels of land in Utah. This will most likely end the possibility of any drilling and hope for any income or new jobs in the area. That's clean burning NG http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1634467/republicans_press_obama_to_allow_offshore_oil_drilling/ All bans on drilling in U.S. waters expired last year. The lawmakers referenced a study in their letter stating that offshore drilling would provide 160,000 jobs by 2030, and create $1.7 trillion in royalties for the U.S. government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Better to be a traitor to the party than to the country :2cents: This isn't the time to play politics and there's too much of that going on. I love the play politics line...what do people expect when they elect.........politicians. If a person believes that their particular party has the "right" answer for the country...then betraying the party IS betraying the country. It is the same stupid logic we have heard from the Democrats for the past well however long they were the "loyal opposition". I wonder how many Democrats ARE voting for this because they are playing the very same politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The LAST thing YOU can do is educate me.Sheeple. Where'd you get that word. Be honest. Seriously the "righteous awakening" is getting a little tired. We get it H_H...you are wise. Now leave the rest of us feeble minded conservatives alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Oh sure. Sometimes those shock paddles bring the patient back and sometimes they wind up killing the patient. Hopefully, our techs know what they're doing. I do suspect it won't be an easy recovery. Sometimes a patient needs to be allowed to die instead of resuscitated again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Shounds open mindedYou should look up the word conservative I've been you, IHOP. I bought the talking points. I listened to the stories loosely based in fact and ran with them. I accepted, for a time, the incesant Obama character smears. I listened to Rush, Hannity, and O'Reilly with an ear that just accepted everything that flowed into it. And then I woke the hell up. I'm still a conservative. And I'll still give a republican the benefit of the doubt, and scrutinize a liberal until there's nothing left to uncover. But what I WON'T do anymore, is by the republican spin-machine utter bull****. (See: Obama's a Muslim, Obama's not a citizen, Obama's a racist, Obama is a terrorist sympathizer, Obama's freeing the Cole attackers, Obama's a socialist, Obama's gonna raise taxes, etc, etc, etc.) If you want to accept everything the spin machine spits out, that's your prerogative. But IMHO, you're not going to be relevant in any legitimate discussion. As for me not understanding conservatism: Obama = larger tax cut than McCain. (Conservative principle.) Obama = Making affirmative action need-based not race-based. (Conservative principle.) Obama = Giving father's paying child support a share of the tax credit; thereby reducing their tax burden. (Conservative principle.) Obama = Told blacks in Selma to do all they can for themselves, and only when that's exhausted ask government for help. (Conservative principle.) Obama = Buy American. (Conservative principle.) Obama = A Kennedyesque call for us to do for our country; not the other way around. (Sorry dems, Conservative principle.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Oh sure. Sometimes those shock paddles bring the patient back and sometimes they wind up killing the patient. Hopefully, our techs know what they're doing. I do suspect it won't be an easy recovery. This is my thinking as well. I do like the fact that it's a different approach. For the past however many years, if there has been a problem we reduced interest rates. I actually started thinking that Greenspan had a list of things to do in a failing ecomomy and it looked like this 1) Reduce interest rates a small amount 2) Reduce interest rates a moderate amount 3) Try reducing interest rates a small amount again 4) Reduce interest rates a moderate amount again. ...etc. The same goes for reducing payroll tax. It's an old idea, and it certainly isn't a panacea. I'm trying to remain hopeful with the stimulus package, even if I think it's poorly thought out. Trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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