Was Kurt Warner's Final pass attempt in SB XLIII a fumble or an incomplete pass?

[81artmonk]

I disagree with you on that. I saw the game in HD on my TV. I though it was a fumble there too. His arm is empty when going forward and what kept the bal going in a forward direction was his forearm. Why else do you think the ball only sailed about 3 yards before it hit the ground. It was neer tipped.

On a side note. I cant believe your a Stryper fan. I have not met too many people out there that like that band.

Oz Fox is THE man! And Sweet has some set of pipes. Probably THE BEST act I have ever heard live.

I hear ya. DOn't say that too loud. it appears, at least on the ES boards that being a stryper fan comes with baggage that isn't cool.

Don't really care. BTW they have a new CD coming out sometime this year. Mikes wife is going through cancer treatments and until they get that squared away, they won't release the CD. It will be called "Murder by Pride"

[Bubble Screen]

In all fairness, this is a pretty big thing to moan about. And one that any football fan should be upset about. It's all fun and games until it happens to your team.

Of course the NFL will now say that it was the correct call. Otherwise this would be the Super Bowl with the asterisk next to it. If they had actually reviewed the play on the field, which didn't happen, and they still got it wrong by the standards of most people, at least it would've been settled on the field, so to speak.

As it is, its grounds for a mad conspiracy theory and only magnifies the pattern of other shoddy calls throughout the game.

It WAS the correct call. Whether it was actually reviewed or not, who knows. It should have been, sure. But that still doesn't take away from the fact that it was the RIGHT call. That's why I said some people just like to moan. Because, in the end, it wouldn't have mattered if they reviewed it or not.

And I strongly disagree that "most" people felt it was the wrong call. Like myself, they "wanted" it to be reviewed and the call changed.

Ask yourself this one, also. Don't you think that if the call was wrong that there would have been an outcry in the media the day after? Guys like Skip Bayless and other clowns like that would have talked about it, endlessly. They didn't, because the refs got the call right. And that's all that matters.

[Old Bay]

Honestly, I'm not surprised that the media isn't talking about it. So that's not changing my mind.

It's not like I had a vested interest in seeing the Cards win, either. I still think it was the wrong call, but like I said if it had been reviewed by the refs this wouldn't be an issue.

But I'm done with this discussion as there's not much more to say.

[novaman]

And I strongly disagree that "most" people felt it was the wrong call. Like myself, they "wanted" it to be reviewed and the call changed.

Actually the poll for this thread, as unscientific as it may be, shows that most, or at least a majority of the people did in fact feel that it was the wrong call.

[DGreenistheBest]

I couldnt believe they didnt reveiw it. They review plays in the last 2 minutes if there is even the slightest chance it was wrong most of the time. To not do it in a 4 point game.....THAT'S THE FREAKIN SUPERBOWL!!!!!.....i dont understand.

This is the real issue. I could live with the call going either way honestly; it was that close. But to not review it? The entire officiating crew should lose their jobs. Its that serious an offense to me. This "quick review" nonsense is a snow job. Show me the section on "quick reviews" in the NFL rule book.

[Bubble Screen]

Actually the poll for this thread, as unscientific as it may be, shows that most, or at least a majority of the people did in fact feel that it was the wrong call.

Um, I wasn't talking about an ES poll. I meant, "nationally".

[novaman]

Um, I wasn't talking about an ES poll. I meant, "nationally".

Really? What poll was this? I think the country is probably evenly divided on this issue, like most things;)

[praise_gibbs]

Mike Pierra admitted that the refs should had flagged Holmes 15 yards on his touchdown celebration. Add those 15 yards plus the questionable 'fumble' PLUS the 15 yards for Farrior taken off his helmet, you have a different ball game.

With Larry Fitzgerald, I like the Cards chances there.

Sure these are 'what ifs' to some, however I'd argue to state that when its the closing seconds of the Superbowl, you can't have blunders to this magnitude. You just can't.

[Ron78]

The ball was not in his hand when moving foward. It was already falling and he hit it with hisforarm... hence the reason the ball did not go sailing, but instead went about three yards and hit the turf.

Just like a WR... he would have need to maintain control of the ball throughout the motion until the arm was going forward. He did not. The was hit with his arm going backward... the apex to be exact, then the ball was hit, propelling it into his own wrist/forearm. At that exact point, the ball is a live ball. A fumble...

Dude, you are perceptually challenged. His arm was moving forward even before he was touched.

[jaybrant]

Dude, you are perceptually challenged. His arm was moving forward even before he was touched.

either you are are biased or you're the one perceptually challenged his arm was not moving forward when he got hit.. i could care less who won the game and i say it was worth a review yes but i believe it was a fumble..

good video with a few closeup views in slo mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2cQnytZ90

[Ron78]

either you are are biased or you're the one perceptually challenged his arm was not moving forward when he got hit.. i could care less who won the game and i say it was worth a review yes but i believe it was a fumble..

good video with a few closeup views in slo mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2cQnytZ90

It shows just the opposite of what you stated. As has been stated on here previously, the rule is if any part of the quarterback's arm is moving forward before he loses control of the ball, it is a forward pass. His forearm was clearly moving forward. What the Hell?

[Skin Deep]

It absolutely should have been reviewed. Anything this close warrants that on every level. But if you watch that youtube video posted just above, right about the :52 second mark shows where Warner starts to lose control of the ball, arm still at the end of his backward motion.

I think it should have gotten reviewed, absolutely, but the initial call would have stood.

[Ron78]

It absolutely should have been reviewed. Anything this close warrants that on every level. But if you watch that youtube video posted just above, right about the :52 second mark shows where Warner starts to lose control of the ball, arm still at the end of his backward motion.

I think it should have gotten reviewed, absolutely, but the initial call would have stood.

I disagree that the fumble call should have stood. Warner's tricep could have been moving backward while his forearm was moving forward (which it was) and it is still, by rule, forward motion. It's also unclear at what point Warner did in fact lose "control." Fumble was the wrong call.