Chiefinonhaze Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The Lions were 0-8 down the stretch. The Pats were 6-2. I'd say we were closer to the Lions when it mattered. Oh I See, your using 8 games to summarize our franchise? We have made runs before "when it matters.' We didn't this year. Some of that had to do with a rookie coach going through his growing pains. Some of it had to do with an aging line, and Campbell not making the right reads. The Cardinals didn't exacly light it up "when it matters" either. They finished the season 4-4, with a few blowout losses, and are now in the Superbowl. We were one or two games behind a playoff spot this year. We weren't exactly the lions. We have had two playoff appearances in the last 4 years. We have three super bowl trophies. We are FAR from the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 jim johnson is overrated how? because they have a legit pass rush? because they get turnovers? because he is a blitz machine that can confuse the hell out of a QB? and that the eagles D is consistently known for pressure no matter who is on that line? their secondary is beastly, their big problem is their play at LB. id take trent cole or bunkley over anyone on our line anyday of the week. and i hate the eagles. and theres a reason these D coordinators get "slurped". these guys arent pretty dudes making plays and wearing bling and saying cute things to the media or anything that gets you to a probowl. these are old crusty dudes who just know how to make Ds work with the talent they have, and they dominate. i do agree with elkabong, our D isnt elite, and i never said were terrible, but to think we are the "4th ranked" defense in the league is incorrect IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Our defense is ranked 4th? In what? Yards? Did us having more yards against the pathetic Rams mean we won the game? Our team was 6th in points allowed. That might also have something to do with our offense scoring the 5th fewest points in the league. The Lions scored more points than we did. Every team knew that all they had to do was score 20 on us and they'd win 90% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFGA Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Oh I See, your using 8 games to summarize our franchise? We have made runs before "when it matters.' We didn't this year. Some of that had to do with a rookie coach going through his growing pains. Some of it had to do with an aging line, and Campbell not making the right reads. The Cardinals didn't exacly light it up "when it matters" either. They finished the season 4-4, with a few blowout losses, and are now in the Superbowl. We were one or two games behind a playoff spot this year. We weren't exactly the lions. We have had two playoff appearances in the last 4 years. We have three super bowl trophies. We are FAR from the Lions. Please don't bring up the 3 super bowl trophies when talking about this era. That's like Browns fans talking about their dominant decade of the 50's that happened before a lot of their fans were even born. The Redskins super bowl trophies were won under a different regime with a different owner in a different era. Don't fall for Snyderatto flashing those trophies in press conferences like they personally had a hand in them. They didn't. We were all but eliminated from a playoff spot with 3 weeks to go this year. I would say that's far from being close to a playoff spot. If not for getting lucky against Philadelphia on the last game of the season we would have finished 1-7 in the last 8. That's pretty close to the Lions. As far as "using 8 games to summarize our franchise": when it's the last 8 games that is a TOTALLY VALID ARGUMENT. As someone said in this thread, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. The Redskins finished poorly. The Cardinals didn't light it up "when it mattered", but they didn't have to, either. They had the good fortune of having their division collapse around itself and were able to coast to a playoff spot really really early. They were exactly 1 game better than they were last year. They just got hot at the right time "in the playoffs". As far as the Redskins are concerned, this current regime is satisfied with rallying around slogans in order to scramble into the 6th seed of the playoffs and not do much when they get there. That's not being successful, that's being mediocre. If you think everything is hunky-dory with this franchise, I admire that you see everything through burgundy and gold colored glasses and enjoy drinking the Snyderatto Kool-Aid.. Don't wake up from your dream, because reality is a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Actually the Lions got rid of Millen. We still have 2 of these running the team: And they have been at it LONGER than Detroit put up with Millen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Maybe you should try this instead: ok, i didn't need to see that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paloosa Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I agree we need have some better people in the FO but Cerrato is not all that bad. I feel we just need other guys to help consult and have an eye for talented players. You can only do so much with what you have available to you. With only 3, 4 or 5 picks a year it is very hard to draft any quality players. The problem is we trade our picks away for a guy that is good for one or two years, draft need players in the late rounds who are projects at best, and hope that the rubber bands and band aids will hold together long enough to win a Super Bowl but the only last long enough for us to get to the playoffs or halfway through the season. Then the wheels are bald and no more options available. Until we have two or three good full drafts with all our draft picks is when we will start seeing results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The problem is we trade our picks away Late round picks have been the problem over the last deacade. Guys like Chris Horton don't warrant having their jerseys in the display windows of the Redskins stores the day after the draft. Horton also didn't need a glitzy intro presser in Ashburn where he could stand behind our irrelevant SB trophies in a $3k suit and peanut size diamonds in his ears. Late round picks require scouting to discover their talent potential. Once a team drafts a late round pick the player requires development and coaching. None of the above are fun for Danny and that's why we don't usually keep our day two draft picks. Hopefully the culture is starting to change if last years offseason was any indication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrugger Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Give me a break dude, if the Skins signed this guy than everyone would bash him "He drafted Vince Young" "He drafted Pacman" "Whats the difference, Vinny is still in charge" Give it a rest with all the negativity. This board is becoming unbearable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 dannydumbass and vinny know it all, great football minds there record over the last 10 YEARS speaks for itself a 48 percent winning statistic. IMPRESSIVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 This could be a trend.ESPN must have been starving for talent when Vinny hit the market or else he's lost a lot of his media skills in the 7 years he was away from the microphones. Does anyone remember what Vinny did at ESPN, or when he was on? Was it ESPN, II, the News? It sure as hell wasn't ESPN Classic. He wasn't even on TV. He was answering emails on ESPN's website. Not a single NFL team even tried to interview him...only Snyder is stupid enough to keep hiring him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I wouldn't pursue Floyd Reese he put the Titans in cap problems as well. However anyone is better than vinny Reese built that team with draft picks. Bud Adams is a cheapskate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 He wasn't even on TV. He was answering emails on ESPN's website. It's not hard to see why Vinny and his bug eyes weren't cut out for ESPN TV. He's not much of a radio personality either considering ESPN already had Mel Kiper to guest spot on radio for subjects concerning the draft, etc. Answering emails couldn't have fetched more than $80K a year for Vinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 dannydumbass and vinny know it all, great football minds there record over the last 10 YEARS speaks for itself a 48 percent winning statistic. IMPRESSIVE I remember the days when 10-6 was a bad year...now if the team goes 10-6 most people are dancing in the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Belicheck makes every single decision in that organization, so I'm not sure how this some genius hire. I still believe that Pioli will fail in KC because of this. Belicheck is the genius behind all of the drafting and FA aquistions Not quite - he's pretty hands-on in a lot of areas, but does do some delegation. The other thing is the "secret weapon:" Ernie Adams. Few people talk about Ernie when they look at the success of the Pats. Deep down I harbor the hope that Snyderatto will lure the Bill/Ernie duo away from the Kraft family. I also sometimes wish that I could fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Hehe, no we're not. Lions 0 wins 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Redskins 8 wins 9 10 Patriots 11 wins 12 13 14 15 16 See...we're closer to the Patriots! SuperBowl wins since 2002 Lions/Redskins 0 wins 1 2 Patriots 3 wins 4 5 We're closer to the Lions. I remember the days when 10-6 was a bad year...now if the team goes 10-6 most people are dancing in the streets. See my sig for the current state of our fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I remember the days when 10-6 was a bad year...now if the team goes 10-6 most people are dancing in the streets. People pray for 10-6 because normally 10-6 is an improvement over the previous year. In the 80's people rolled their eyes at such a record because we were perennial division champs. Its different times. But we always look for improvement. If you think fans should be rooting for us to improve from 8-8 to 14-2, then I really question what you're drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 In an offseason where it's almost glaringly obvious that we need a smarter, better football mind in the front office, a team with recent championship success has made a smart move to bolster their organization. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3864253 Oh the pain, the pain, the insufferable pain. I think we could do something similar. There is a former Redskin out there who was with our 1991 SB Champion team. A guy with past GM experience in the NFL. Someone who could be groomed to someday fill Vinny's shoes. A name synonymous with tough play: Matt Millen <sorry - I couldn't resist this> Maybe it's time for some extreme protest like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wins on a Tuesday Night national telecast: Lions/Redskins/Patriots - 0 MY GOD we're just as good as the Patriots and as awful as the Lions!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 People pray for 10-6 because normally 10-6 is an improvement over the previous year. In the 80's people rolled their eyes at such a record because we were perennial division champs. Its different times. But we always look for improvement. If you think fans should be rooting for us to improve from 8-8 to 14-2, then I really question what you're drinking. It's not even that...I would like to see some improvement..that this team is building on something to be a consistent winner...not this Russian Roulette junk year-in year-out. Where we have no clue what to expect with every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 See my sig for the current state of our fanbase. Very accurate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It's not even that...I would like to see some improvement..that this team is building on something to be a consistent winner...not this Russian Roulette junk year-in year-out. Where we have no clue what to expect with every year. Actually, I think we do. Last year we had a quiet offseason and had a year that was pretty similar to the 2007 year - lots of close games decided late in the 4th quarter. If we do the same thing again in 2009, I'd expect a similar year this upcoming year. But what we'd be doing by keeping Zorn and not looking for every quick fix is building on what we have and developing our talent here. What this builds is consistency. Maybe consistency is not enough to get us to the Super Bowl, but you've got to walk before you can run. Right now we're barely past crawling and people are saying that because we didn't make the conference championship this year Zorn should be fired. Its like fans are setting unreal expectations on our team because they were so spoiled by the 70s and 80s. I know some people don't like to hear this, but sometimes it takes time to build a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Its like fans are setting unreal expectations on our team because they were so spoiled by the 70s and 80s. I know some people don't like to hear this, but sometimes it takes time to build a team. I agree with you...it's just at times this franchise under the current regime hasn't shown the patience to do the job right...and that could be a big reason why we see the inconsistency out of this franchise year in year out up to this point. Who knows maybe they might start to show some patience and do it right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 and we all know: it's where you start...not where you finish...that matters most!!! Ah, the need to be negative has yet again caused an ES member to completely miss the humor in a post :thumbsup:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I agree with you...it's just at times this franchise under the current regime hasn't shown the patience to do the job right...and that could be a big reason why we see the inconsistency out of this franchise year in year out up to this point.Who knows maybe they might start to show some patience and do it right ? I think they have been showing patience for at least the last two years. But unfortunately too many fans see that patience as incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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