CRobi21 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 yes they did. they had a dominant offense last year, it just happened to be MORE dominant this year. the steelers had the same team last year and lost in the wild card round to the jags. the cardinals had a rookie head coach last year as well. they are a good football team, and they have a dominant offense.again, the redskins do not have a single dominant anything. http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=279079 Maybe we should take this guys advice afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 the cardinals have something we dont. they have a dominant side of the ball: their offense.the cardinals are a better version of the saints. insane offense with a questionable defense. their defense has turned it up a notch in the post season, but theyve got talent on that D. the skins arent dominant anywhere, hence they wallow in average land. and dont tell me about our 4th ranked defense that cant stop anybody in the 4th quarter and most of our stops come from other teams dropping passes. First off, you don't end up 4th in the league in defense simply by the other team dropping passes. Anyone who honestly believes that doesn't know much about football. You mention the Cards have something we don't. How about a 2 time MVP and Superbowl Champion QB? They also have arguably 2 of the top 10 WR in the National Football League. If there offense was so "dominant" then they wouldn't of went 9-7 (and they wouldn't of also lost to the lowley Redskins as you are making them out to be). The Cards simply got hot at the right time. Do I feel they are the best team in the NFC? Absoutley not, but that's why there is playoff games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area51 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 See Jason Campbell. See Vince Young. Tennessee's number one WR - Justin Gage. Redskins number one - Santana Moss. I'd take Portis and Betts over Lendale and Chris Johnson. Tennessee is better than us on the O-line and D-line, that's about it. I'm not saying we're perfect, but our front office is on par with Tennessee, and certainly light years beyond Detroit. If you're going to keep using your mouth to insult the team you supposedly support, then just shut it. I'm so with this dude. I haven't been on this site in what seems like forever (which mean probably like a week or so) and there is non-stop ****ing about the same old stupid things. News flash: ONLY NEW ENGLAND IS CLOSE TO NEW ENGLAND. EVERYONE (inlcuding Peyton Manning and the Colts) are NOT close to being New England. By the way, I think way too many people are riding The Patriots nuts, and they don't deserve it. We know for a fact that those ****s have been cheating since there bull**** dynasty began (in which they won all 3 SBs by somehow playing great defense against teams like the Rams in the first half of those SBs, only to barely hold on after halftime [when the opposing offensive coaches adjusted to NE knowing all their ****ing plays] to win by three points. Yea, those damn Patriots. Their FO is so frickin' awesome that they KNEW that they would be able to land a HOF, all-time great QB in round 6. So instead of wasting one of their earlier picks on the future HOF'er, they were just ****ing with the rest of the league, and laughed their ass off at every other team when they picked him up in the 6th round. That Bellichick is a pretty big jokester, I tell ya. Picking up scrubs like Adrian Klemm and JR Redmond in the first day was Bill Bellichick's way of ****ing with the rest of the league. :doh: 2 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii 3 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State 4 127 Greg Randall T Michigan State 5 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State 5 161 Jeff Marriott -- Missouri 6 187 Antwan Harris CB Virginia 6 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan 6 201 David Nugent DT Purdue 7 226 Casey Tisdale -- New Mexico 7 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 First off, you don't end up 4th in the league in defense simply by the other team dropping passes. Anyone who honestly believes that doesn't know much about football. aah, the old "you don't know football" insult. Don't you all ever come up with some new stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 aah, the old "you don't know football" insult. Don't you all ever come up with some new stuff? I could think of plenty of other words to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Chaos47 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Yeah Floyd Reese is such a genuis he sat at ESPN for 2 years shamelessly begging for a job with an NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Yeah Floyd Reese is such a genuis he sat at ESPN for 2 years shamelessly begging for a job with an NFL team. Reminds me of what Vinny did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 First off, you don't end up 4th in the league in defense simply by the other team dropping passes. Anyone who honestly believes that doesn't know much about football.You mention the Cards have something we don't. How about a 2 time MVP and Superbowl Champion QB? They also have arguably 2 of the top 10 WR in the National Football League. If there offense was so "dominant" then they wouldn't of went 9-7 (and they wouldn't of also lost to the lowley Redskins as you are making them out to be). The Cards simply got hot at the right time. Do I feel they are the best team in the NFC? Absoutley not, but that's why there is playoff games. first of all, our defense is so overrated its not even funny. were a good run stopping team, but teams can throw on us when they need to. if youd like to get out the 4th quarter stats for our defense, i bet theyd be pretty awful. i can site the browns and 2nd eagles game as proof. we cannot generate turnovers, and we cannot get to the QB ever. we were bottom 5 in both turnovers and sacks. yes its nice that teams have trouble moving the ball on us at times, but unless our offense plays lights out, no mistake football, our defense just isnt that good. secondly, youre right, the cardinals have a good quarterback, and we have a bad one. and their WR are light years better than ours. moving along. third, i agree the cards got hot at the right time, but they have more talent on both sides of the ball than we do. and frankly, wisenhunt is a ballsy coach, and we have a uncreative boring pansy of a coach who lets players mock him openly with no consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevilhimself Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 aah, the old "you don't know football" insult. Don't you all ever come up with some new stuff? The "you don't know football" to me didn't seem to be insult than a statement of fact . If you say something like ... "and dont tell me about our 4th ranked defense that cant stop anybody in the 4th quarter and most of our stops come from other teams dropping passes. " then no you don't know football .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 guys, hate to break it to you. our d is overrated as hell. notice how the ravens, steelers, and eagles are all ranked in the top 3 and their coordinators are well known, they run high pressure schemes, and everyone talks about how powerful they are? and somehow were ranked right next to them, yet nobody cares about ours? our D is extremely overrated. and i watch a great deal of football. seems like the homers are disillusioned about our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 guys, hate to break it to you. our d is overrated as hell. notice how the ravens, steelers, and eagles are all ranked in the top 3 and their coordinators are well known, they run high pressure schemes, and everyone talks about how powerful they are? and somehow were ranked right next to them, yet nobody cares about ours?our D is extremely overrated. and i watch a great deal of football. seems like the homers are disillusioned about our defense. You had it right when you said "the skins arent dominant anywhere, hence they wallow in average land." Thats exactly how I feel. And I feel that part of the problem is taht we are so caught up in hopes that a FIRST YEAR COACH will be a super bowl winner that we get into a perennial cycle of rebuilding and hoping. I'd just like to see us do what most other teams in the league do, and thats give their coaches time to actually play games and prove whether or not they are a good coach. All these people saying after one season that Zorn isn't a good coach are just blowing my mind. But I guess everybody's entitled to their own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 guys, hate to break it to you. our d is overrated as hell. notice how the ravens, steelers, and eagles are all ranked in the top 3 and their coordinators are well known, they run high pressure schemes, and everyone talks about how powerful they are? and somehow were ranked right next to them, yet nobody cares about ours?our D is extremely overrated. and i watch a great deal of football. seems like the homers are disillusioned about our defense. Our D is overrated in terms of they are ranked 4th but not really a top 5 D. Hwever, they are indeed a top 10 unit, and while they aren't as great as their overall ranking would suggest, they certainly are one of the best defenses in the league, and you are trying very hard to suggest otherwise. Not everything is very good or very bad, there is middle ground. The Skins D is good, but they are not elite. If they make some good pick-ups on the DL, specifically at DT, in the offseason then they could move up. I personally think this team is closer to the Pats than they are the Lions simply because they had a real shot at the playoffs and the Lions were nowhere near that. We do need to get dominant on one side of the ball, and this offseason will be very important in keeping us headed in that direction. I guess I simply prefer to give Zorn more than 1 year before saying he can't cut it. For how much crap some of you give Snyder some of you don't show anymore patience than he has in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 guys, hate to break it to you. our d is overrated as hell. notice how the ravens, steelers, and eagles are all ranked in the top 3 and their coordinators are well known, they run high pressure schemes, and everyone talks about how powerful they are? and somehow were ranked right next to them, yet nobody cares about ours? please explain how that makes the defense overrated? because the media doesn't slurp up to Blanche like the truly overrated Eagle's Jimmy Johnson? :doh: The defense is not overrated, to be overrated you have to first be rated highly, which you above state plainly doesn't happen. Our defense is very good. but just like every defense outside of Pittsburgh, it has it's flaws... ours is sacks and turnovers...... while sacks alone don't equal wins, they do help produce turnovers, which studies show do win ball games (or lose them depending on which side of the ball your on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Our defense is very good. but just like every defense outside of Pittsburgh, it has it's flaws... :no: Pittsburgh flaw is their secondary. If they don't get to Warner with those blitzes itsova (new word I am trying out, lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Wins in the last 8 games of the seasonLions 0 wins 1 Redskins 2 wins 3 4 5 Patriots 6 wins 7 8 See...we're closer to the Lions! Yeah, but...!! Wins in the first 8 games of the season Lions 0 wins 1 2 3 4 Patriots 5 wins Redskins 6 wins 7 8 Damn...for awhile there, not only were the Skins closer to the Patriots than to the Lions, they surpassed them as well! lol :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 because the media doesn't slurp up to Blanche like the truly overrated Eagle's Jimmy Johnson? Gotta agree with bubba here........the Eagles D is very overrated. Loved the stellar job against the Cardinals a few weeks ago, including the 7-8 minute drive the Cards had for the GWTD. Their D may have been good in the earlier part of the decade, but has been living on reputation for too long. And as for our D.....if not for that unit, the whole of Gibbs 2.0 would've been a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 :no:Pittsburgh flaw is their secondary. If they don't get to Warner with those blitzes itsova (new word I am trying out, lol). Ozay! Are you sleeping on Ryan Clark and Troy Polamalu? Get serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Tennessee is better than us on the O-line and D-line, that's about it. that's about it?!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Yeah, but...!!Wins in the first 8 games of the season Lions 0 wins 1 2 3 4 Patriots 5 wins Redskins 6 wins 7 8 Damn...for awhile there, not only were the Skins closer to the Patriots than to the Lions, they surpassed them as well! lol :cool: and we all know: it's where you start...not where you finish...that matters most!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Reminds me of what Vinny did! I doubt Vinny even bothered to beg for work given his track record over the five year span leading up to Marty's arrival in Ashburn. Running the Niners aground in cap hell, and then piloting the zeppelin that was the fortune 500 Redskins of Y2K would humble most GMs from faxing their resumees for a head personel job. Vinny remains unemployable elsewhere at the NFL level, just like Matt Millen was in Detroit. Millen had years of failure, yet he kept his job just like Vinny. Can anyone here imagine something as silly as a member of the Patriots FO hosting a radio show and taking weekly phone calls from a hype driven clown like Mel Kiper? I say our FO is closer to the Lions despite our record. :rant: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I doubt Vinny even bothered to beg for work given his track record over the five year span leading up to Marty's arrival in Ashburn. Running the Niners aground in cap hell, and then piloting the zeppelin that was the fortune 500 Redskins of Y2K would humble most GMs from faxing their resumees for a head personel job. Vinny remains unemployable elsewhere at the NFL level, just like Matt Millen was in Detroit. Millen had years of failure, yet he kept his job just like Vinny. Can anyone here imagine something as silly as a member of the Patriots FO hosting a radio show and taking weekly phone calls from a hype driven clown like Mel Kiper? I say our FO is closer to the Lions despite our record. :rant: But the Patriots hired a guy off ESPN just like we did. Maybe they learned something from us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefinonhaze Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The lions were 0-16. The Patriots were 11-5. We were 8-8. I'd say we're clloser to the Patriots than the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 But the Patriots hired a guy off ESPN just like we did. Maybe they learned something from us.... This could be a trend. ESPN must have been starving for talent when Vinny hit the market or else he's lost a lot of his media skills in the 7 years he was away from the microphones. Does anyone remember what Vinny did at ESPN, or when he was on? Was it ESPN, II, the News? It sure as hell wasn't ESPN Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 This could be a trend.ESPN must have been starving for talent when Vinny hit the market or else he's lost a lot of his media skills in the 7 years he was away from the microphones. Does anyone remember what Vinny did at ESPN, or when he was on? Was it ESPN, II, the News? It sure as hell wasn't ESPN Classic. It was ESPN 8 - The Ocho. Home of the World Dodgeball Championships! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2Washington Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 The lions were 0-16. The Patriots were 11-5. We were 8-8. I'd say we're clloser to the Patriots than the Lions. The Lions were 0-8 down the stretch. The Pats were 6-2. I'd say we were closer to the Lions when it mattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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