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I got blasted this offseason for it because I said Suisham wasn't a good kicker but I let it go giving him the benefit of the doubt to prove himself that he was and so far he is proving to be worse then I expected. He has ALREADY missed as many kicks right now then he did all last year. He is currently at 76% and ranked 33rd in the league. Ill gladly knock off the top 3 guys who are 1 for 1 at 100%. So that moves him up to a spectacular 30th. Thats 7 lower then his crappy 23rd ranking last year. Everyone raved about his kickoffs in the preseason how they were all deep in the endzone and I came out and said I dont think that he will keep that up and I was right. His kickoffs have been grossly short.

Dallas - 8, 8, 30(squib kick)

Pittsburgh - 12, 5, 4

Detroit - 11, 2, TB, 1, -2, 5

Cleveland - 0, -1, ,1

St. Louis - 12, 10, 4, 3(and out of bounds)

Philadelphia - 6, 3, 14(and out of bounds), 29(squib), 1, 0

Dallas - 4, 5, 1, 25, -5(TB), 6, 3

Arizona - 25, -5, -2, 0, 5

New Orleans - -3, TB, 3, TB, TB, 11, 0

New York - -3, 26

Kicks into the endzone - 14 of 46

Touchbacks - 5 ranked 23rd in the league

KO Yards - 63.9 ranked 24th in the league

We struck gold with Plackemeier so far I think he has been phenomenal especially his punt in the Dallas game (Thanks a lot Rock). Who is to say we can't do it again. Or even draft one like Sam Swank. He will be a very good kicker in the NFL.

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I thought Suisham was doing a fine job. Kickoffs could be better, but I guess I'm kind of used to it by now. Skins never seem to have a kicker who can kick it into the endzone consistently. Plus he is doing a great job hitting field goals. A couple games, we would not have won if it werent for him and those were not chip shots either.

And I'm still not seeing where someone blamed the placeholder?

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I got blasted this offseason for it because I said Suisham wasn't a good kicker but I let it go giving him the benefit of the doubt to prove himself that he was and so far he is proving to be worse then I expected. He has ALREADY missed as many kicks right now then he did all last year. He is currently at 76% and ranked 33rd in the league. Ill gladly knock off the top 3 guys who are 1 for 1 at 100%. So that moves him up to a spectacular 30th. Thats 7 lower then his crappy 23rd ranking last year. Everyone raved about his kickoffs in the preseason how they were all deep in the endzone and I came out and said I dont think that he will keep that up and I was right. His kickoffs have been grossly short.

Dallas - 8, 8, 30(squib kick)

Pittsburgh - 12, 5, 4

Detroit - 11, 2, TB, 1, -2, 5

Cleveland - 0, -1, ,1

St. Louis - 12, 10, 4, 3(and out of bounds)

Philadelphia - 6, 3, 14(and out of bounds), 29(squib), 1, 0

Dallas - 4, 5, 1, 25, -5(TB), 6, 3

Arizona - 25, -5, -2, 0, 5

New Orleans - -3, TB, 3, TB, TB, 11, 0

New York - -3, 26

Kicks into the endzone - 14 of 46

Touchbacks - 5 ranked 23rd in the league

KO Yards - 63.9 ranked 24th in the league

We struck gold with Plackemeier so far I think he has been phenomenal especially his punt in the Dallas game (Thanks a lot Rock). Who is to say we can't do it again. Or even draft one like Sam Swank. He will be a very good kicker in the NFL.

I dont understnad what your trying to prove wiht the kickoffs being "grossly" short? he is 24th in the league with a 63.9 yd average on kickoffs...but he's 3 yards away from a top 5 average? 3 yards??? your really so much against this guy over 3 yards!!?!?

Speaking of 3, he's #3 in the league in return average, the average kick is only returned 19.7 yards.

Ok so shorter kickoffs mean the kick coverage can get there faster - yes. But lets take a look at what your (oh so stellar) point is. Kickoff distance.

Sebastian Janikowski - Leads the league in average distance at 69.6 yards. So on average the person recieves the ball at the .4 yard line. The return average is 25.1. So the raiders opponent will go out, on avarege, at the 25.5 yards line.

Shizaaam - 63.9. So the returner will recieve the ball at the 6.1 yard line. Then it gets returned to the 19.7 yards, which is, the 25.8 yard line. Dude, your arguing about 3/10 of a FRIGGIN YARD.

I do agree he needs to get more consistant on field goals. the 2 misses from 30-39 are terrible...however the 9-11 from 40-49 are right along the paths of Vinieteri, Longwell, Nedney, Bironas, Gotskowski, Gould, etc.

KICKER IS NOT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE THIS CONCERNED ABOUT.

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Interesting. According to NFL.com

Kicks into the endzone - 14 of 46

Get back to you on that one.

Touchbacks - 5 ranked 23rd in the league

Yep. With the difference between he,Stover, and Carpenter,(2 ahead of him), are the letters of their last names. To break into the top 20 he would need just one more TB and a last name that starts with a FD or E. Getting into the top 15 almost near 10, he would need 3.

That said, it would be nice to see a few more from him.

KO Yards - 63.9 ranked 24th in the league

The difference between he and the 3 guys in front of him is that pesky first letter of the last name again and .1 yard.. The difference between he and the 11 guys in front him to get him within reach of the top 10 would be between a little less than one yard to 2 yards in average. That's something I can live with there.

He is also ranked top 3 in Kick Return average. With the difference between he and those in the botttom 10 being roughly 5 yards.

Note that on an "average", a few,(as high as 5), of the kickers in front of him have fewer than 20 kicks total, with most of those few having less than 15.

Also, when it comes to kickers, Field Goals have to be considered into the equation,(imho).

Currently, Shaun is ranked as follows.

Field Goals Made. 7 2 behind Elam and Carey who are ranked at # 5 and 5 more made than those guys ranked as far as 24/25 .

Most importantly though, he's 19 for 25 for FG's. A 76% average. This has him ranked.....33.

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33? Now wait a minute. :) As much as I despise cherry picking stats, that ranking begs for it.

5 of the kickers in front of him have 5 or less attempts. 5 more have 15 or less attempts. Another 6 have less than 20. Tough to come up with something reasonable there. Could say 20 or more attempts and that puts him roughly in the middle of the pack. That is still too much cherry picking, but right in the middle does seem about right. For the record books, 4 of his misses have come between the 40 and 50+ range. He's had 14 attempts at that range.

Basically, he's an average,(Good), kicker according to the stats. However, he's been a game winner on more than one occasion this season so far. I'd say as the position goes, the Redskins can afford to leave this one alone. At the most, address it, (maybe bring in someone or 2 for competition).

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Suisham is one of the best kickers we've had in a while. Mid-range 40 yard field goals are nothing to the guy. (knock on wood)

The kickoffs might be by design, you kick it higher and shorter but let the coverage have time to get down field. We don't know so we can't really comment.

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Call me crazy, but given the current state of this offense, I'd say let's work on scoring TD's first, and worry about FG's second.

I think Suishy can still handle PAT's through the rest of this year, at least. No matter what, if Vinny and Danny use so much as a 7th, 17th, or eleventy-7th round pick on a placekicker or ANYBODY who won't eventualy be playing more than 5 or 6 snaps a game...I'm hopping on a plane and heading out there.

And there'll be hell to pay -

(plus the plane fare)

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Seemed earlier this season that Suisham's kickoffs were being taken between the goal line and the 5, which to me isn't bad. He had two (I think) that went out of bounds which is inexcusable, and a squib that didn't work out as planned. Oh well.

On field goals he seems to be fairly solid. That one against the Cowboys last week was against the wind and would've made it if not for Campbell and the O-line inexcusably allowing a sack in that situation.

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On field goals he seems to be fairly solid. That one against the Cowboys last week was against the wind and would've made it if not for Campbell and the O-line inexcusably allowing a sack in that situation.

There is also the miss that was the direct result of Brooks botching the hold.

Overall, our kicking situation is pretty solid right now. Not every position needs to be the best in the league.

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There is also the miss that was the direct result of Brooks botching the hold.

Overall, our kicking situation is pretty solid right now. Not every position needs to be the best in the league.

I agree that you dont need a probowler at every position but he has already missed as many this season as he did last season and he has more games to play.

His kickoffs are inconsistent he has had more so-so/bad games then good.

I dont understnad what your trying to prove wiht the kickoffs being "grossly" short? he is 24th in the league with a 63.9 yd average on kickoffs...but he's 3 yards away from a top 5 average? 3 yards??? your really so much against this guy over 3 yards!!?!?

Speaking of 3, he's #3 in the league in return average, the average kick is only returned 19.7 yards.

Ok so shorter kickoffs mean the kick coverage can get there faster - yes. But lets take a look at what your (oh so stellar) point is. Kickoff distance.

Sebastian Janikowski - Leads the league in average distance at 69.6 yards. So on average the person recieves the ball at the .4 yard line. The return average is 25.1. So the raiders opponent will go out, on avarege, at the 25.5 yards line.

Shizaaam - 63.9. So the returner will recieve the ball at the 6.1 yard line. Then it gets returned to the 19.7 yards, which is, the 25.8 yard line. Dude, your arguing about 3/10 of a FRIGGIN YARD.

I do agree he needs to get more consistant on field goals. the 2 misses from 30-39 are terrible...however the 9-11 from 40-49 are right along the paths of Vinieteri, Longwell, Nedney, Bironas, Gotskowski, Gould, etc.

KICKER IS NOT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE THIS CONCERNED ABOUT.

Id rather have the opponent start on their own 20 every time with no chance of a return. Then the 25-26 yard line and have a chance of returning it.

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Interesting. According to NFL.com

Kicks into the endzone - 14 of 46

Get back to you on that one.

Touchbacks - 5 ranked 23rd in the league

Yep. With the difference between he,Stover, and Carpenter,(2 ahead of him), are the letters of their last names. To break into the top 20 he would need just one more TB and a last name that starts with a FD or E. Getting into the top 15 almost near 10, he would need 3.

That said, it would be nice to see a few more from him.

KO Yards - 63.9 ranked 24th in the league

The difference between he and the 3 guys in front of him is that pesky first letter of the last name again and .1 yard.. The difference between he and the 11 guys in front him to get him within reach of the top 10 would be between a little less than one yard to 2 yards in average. That's something I can live with there.

He is also ranked top 3 in Kick Return average. With the difference between he and those in the botttom 10 being roughly 5 yards.

Note that on an "average", a few,(as high as 5), of the kickers in front of him have fewer than 20 kicks total, with most of those few having less than 15.

1 - As far as his touchback ranking, it doesn't matter if he needs 1 more or 20 he doesn't have it anyway. Instead of kicking if out of bounds twice maybe he kicks a touchback and they start at their own 20. You want to play "what if's" I can too.

2 - Im not saying he needs to be replaced or needs competition because of his KO's. Im just saying everyone was impressed with how he kicked off in preseason and im simply saying he isn't setting the world on fire right now doing so. I think KO's out of bounds is absolutely inexcusable.

3 - I agree a 40+ FG is not automatic but 39 and under should be damn near it. He already has 2 misses under 40 and thats also inexcusable. There are there kickers who are perfect from that range.

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I agree that you dont need a probowler at every position but he has already missed as many this season as he did last season and he has more games to play.

His kickoffs are inconsistent he has had more so-so/bad games then good.

What is considered a bad game?

Looking at his stat line, it looks like he struggled a bit early, missing three kicks in the first three games. Some of that you can put to getting used to a new holder, since Brooks took over for Frost. Brooks was definitely the cause of one of those misses.

Since then, he's missed a grand total of 3 kicks out of 18 attempts, which is at a 83% rate. Not bad.

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What is considered a bad game?

Looking at his stat line, it looks like he struggled a bit early, missing three kicks in the first three games. Some of that you can put to getting used to a new holder, since Brooks took over for Frost. Brooks was definitely the cause of one of those misses.

Since then, he's missed a grand total of 3 kicks out of 18 attempts, which is at a 83% rate. Not bad.

Sorry im not ready to shelf all the blame on Brooks. I can give one miss credit to him but not all 3

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Sorry im not ready to shelf all the blame on Brooks. I can give one miss credit to him but not all 3

Not all 3 on Brooks I can see, but 1 def....2 others were bad snap (high - which resulted in a late reaction on having to kick it), followed by somewhat bad hold (not placed very good and laces were in)

So..."what if's" can be used if it is not relatively his fault...he is 19-22

to add on to this:

1 - Dallas field goal was into the wind and came up short (dead center)

2 or 3 - whatever you want to place the blame on (Hold/Snap : 1 was 50 yds.)

4 - hit up right

5 - 50 yarder no good

so in reality he missed 5 but if you take a closer look he missed one into the wind, 1 or 2 from 50 yards, and one that hit the upright

now to see what he has done for the season to help us win:

Saints: won by 5 - suisham makes 3 for 9 pts. (2 misses didn't end up costing us)

Dallas: won by 2 - suisham makes 4 for 12 pts.

Philly: won by 6 - suisham makes 3 for 9 pts.

Detroit: won by 8 - suisham makes 4 for 12 pts. (1 miss that didn't cost us)

*missed 1 in Cleveland (won), missed 1 in Dallas against heavy winds (lost), missed 1 in Arizona (won)

And about your kick-off stats:

Starting positions after ALL returned Kickoffs:

OB -out at 14, OB - out at 3

9, 9

19, 13, 16, 16, 18, 19, 15,

23, 22, 24-fielded 2 yards deep, 20, 20, 23, 27, 28, 26-fielded at goal line, 26, 24, 23, 23, 28, 20, 22

31, 39-fielded at 5, 36, 32, 30, 39-squib at end of half

42, 40-squib kick at end of half, 43-designed pop up in Dallas game, 44-fielded at goal line

of all kickoffs- not counting touchbacks, there were five (5) that started from the 30 or beyond, and 9 beyond the 25 yard line because they were "short"

11 of the kickoffs resulted in starting field position less than the 20...with 2 inside the 10...so if you are going to criticize for costly field position because he can't get a touchback every time, then you should also be able to accept that fact that he has done good also :2cents:

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