Jino Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I don't want to be too negative considering our team has been relatively solid this season. But this has to be discussed. Devin Thomas has made too many costly mistakes in recent weeks. Between his costly penalties and untimely drops, I don't think he is ready to consistently contribute on offense. Case in point: Devin Thomas drops a simple 3rd down pass on our last drive at the Dallas 37. He's gotta make that play! Another example is the dumb dumb penalty for 12 men on the field. (The guy clearly hasn't learned the playbook and doesn't know when he is to be on the field.) Our next stretch of games will define our playoff hopes and we simply cannot allow for stupid rookie mistakes to set our team back. I know Thrash is like a hundred years old, but the guy can flat out perfrom when given the chance. He doesn't have the upside like Thomas or Kelly, but developing rookies shold be given a backseat to starting Thrash and minimizing mistakes during the homestretch. I'm not saying Thomas is a bust, I just think Thrash will give us a better chance of contributing positively on offense right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarz Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 What are you smoking??? Thrash is the root cause of our problems!! He's 34 yrs old, and has no speed or moves. He's useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jino Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 How is he the root cause of our problems??? Have you seen how many mistakes Thomas has made in his short tenure? So far he's made more negative plays than positive ones and we can't afford that in our next 6 six games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Thrash has seen more playing time than Thomas over the season and has about 7 catches for way under 100 yards total. If we are going to develop as an offense and start to produce the points we need to be a true contender rather than a team which scrapes into the playoffs every other year then we need a second outside receiving option teams have to account for apart from Santana Moss. Devin Thomas has all the physical tools to be that threat - he needs to be on the field learning the hard way. If we take some lumps as part of that process down the stretch so be it is my opinion. I actually think he is starting to get it more - he made a couple of nice catches Sunday and he has the ability after the catch to make some big plays if we can get him the ball in space. Sorry but for me Thrash is a special teams player period at this point of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I don't want to be too negative considering our team has been relatively solid this season. But this has to be discussed.Devin Thomas has made too many costly mistakes in recent weeks. Between his costly penalties and untimely drops, I don't think he is ready to consistently contribute on offense. Case in point: Devin Thomas drops a simple 3rd down pass on our last drive at the Dallas 37. He's gotta make that play! Another example is the dumb dumb penalty for 12 men on the field. (The guy clearly hasn't learned the playbook and doesn't know when he is to be on the field.) Our next stretch of games will define our playoff hopes and we simply cannot allow for stupid rookie mistakes to set our team back. I know Thrash is like a hundred years old, but the guy can flat out perfrom when given the chance. He doesn't have the upside like Thomas or Kelly, but developing rookies shold be given a backseat to starting Thrash and minimizing mistakes during the homestretch. I'm not saying Thomas is a bust, I just think Thrash will give us a better chance of contributing positively on offense right now. Although I'd rather get Kelly, (Please God let us at least SEE him on the field sometime this year), Thomas and even Fred Davis more involved in the passing game, that's a fair point about Thrash. What he doesn't have in explosive speed, he makes up for in experience. Given the way the season's sliding, and the way the aforementioned rookies still aren't up to speed, the experience and mistake free play of Thrash may be a better immediate solution to moving the chains. (And seeing as the Z-Man suddenly has a real reticence to go long, even given the slack protection of the line, his lack of speed wouldn't be too much of an issue.). Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarz Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Thrash has 7 catches for 69 yds. And he's in the game at least 80% of the time. I know, because I keep track of it. Is that enough proof for you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 What are you smoking??? Thrash is the root cause of our problems!! He's 34 yrs old, and has no speed or moves. He's useless. It's obvious that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.. I suggest you skulk back into the shadows and think twice before opening your mouth again making yourself look like a jack ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarz Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Why do you think that Thrash is better than Thomas? Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarz Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 It's obvious that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.. I suggest you skulk back into the shadows and think twice before opening your mouth again making yourself look like a jack ass. Explain your love of Thrash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Why do you think that Thrash is better than Thomas? Explain. The OP wasn't about who was the better player, it was about which player gives us the best chance to win right NOW. :doh:. And he detailed why eloquently enough at the start of the thread. Agree or disagree, but let's keep the OP's ORIGINAL point in perspective. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarz Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 The OP wasn't about who was the better player, it was about which player gives us the best chance to win right NOW. :doh:. And he detailed why eloquently enough at the start of the thread. Agree or disagree, but let's keep the OP's ORIGINAL point in perspective. Hail. Well, I think that 7 catches for 69 yds in 10 games playing 80% of the time speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWCREDSKINS Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 No you gotta keep playing Thomas. This kid has to learn how to be an NFL receiver. I don't want another Taylor Jacobs but that's sure where he is headed unless he rededicates himself. I still think Kelly's abilities are a perfect compliment to Santana but he has to stay on the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I don't want to be too negative considering our team has been relatively solid this season. But this has to be discussed.Devin Thomas has made too many costly mistakes in recent weeks. Between his costly penalties and untimely drops, I don't think he is ready to consistently contribute on offense. Case in point: Devin Thomas drops a simple 3rd down pass on our last drive at the Dallas 37. He's gotta make that play! Another example is the dumb dumb penalty for 12 men on the field. (The guy clearly hasn't learned the playbook and doesn't know when he is to be on the field.) Our next stretch of games will define our playoff hopes and we simply cannot allow for stupid rookie mistakes to set our team back. I know Thrash is like a hundred years old, but the guy can flat out perfrom when given the chance. He doesn't have the upside like Thomas or Kelly, but developing rookies shold be given a backseat to starting Thrash and minimizing mistakes during the homestretch. I'm not saying Thomas is a bust, I just think Thrash will give us a better chance of contributing positively on offense right now. I agree to an extent. I still think Thomas should be involved more so than in the past, but in a limited role. For example, they have used in reverses, WR screens, so go routes, and 10 yard hitch routes. Those IMO are good for him right now, but I think they need to push him more to get him where he needs to be. I do think Thrash should take some more of the crossing and timing patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jino Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Tbarz, I don't know why you're being such an ass. How about trying to be courteous to one another in a civil discussion. You're freaking over 50 years old and you act that way? :doh: What are you smoking??? What's with the attitude? Is this the only way you can contribute to a discussion? Did I offend you by saying Thrash should be starting because he makes less mistakes? Explain your love of Thrash. Who said I loved him? Please find it in my post for me because I can't find it. Thrash has 7 catches for 69 yds. And he's in the game at least 80% of the time. I know, because I keep track of it. Is that enough proof for you??? You track every play Thrash is in the game? Please give me percentages of how much Thrash and Thomas was used each game throughout the season please. While you're at it, why don't you give me how many mistakes Thrash has made in his "80%" of playing time compared to Devin Thomas' relatively short but mistake-filled tenure so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgundyBlood_85 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Why do you think that Thrash is better than Thomas? Explain. well i think Thrash is better than thomas simply because he gets half the time Thomas gets but he still has almost the same amount of catches and yards and he has something Thomas doesn't a TD. a very important one at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Hey an insightful post on extreme skins.....what a relief. I agree that Thrash gives us a better chance to win right now. But I still think Devin needs to get into the game some....and take his tounge lashings from Zorn along the way. Its the only way he will grow as a player. And he has ALOT of growing to do. Otherwise.....he was just a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never4get#21 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Thomas has to learn. You learn through experience. He's contributed when he's in the game. Yes he's made some mistakes. The OLine makes mistakes (costly). Moss drops passes. ARE has yet to really get involved. Cooley fumbled twice. Lets not rush to judgement on DT. After all he is a rookie. As far as the OP saying go with Trash....I disagree. DT has more talent, speed and size. I just wish Zorn would let him stretch the field. He has speed. Test it. He's usually lined up against the weaker corner. Zorn needs to use the deep ball. Moss had that one in his hands and dropped it. You saw DT get open deep for a touchdown earlier this season (busted play the OL penaly called back). I say stick with DT. Lets see Kelly and open up this passing game while Portis/Betts are on the mend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgundyBlood_85 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 and Thrash never gets called for false starts, offensive P.I., holding or anything stupid like that. and at least he can run a route and give 100% effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jino Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Thomas has to learn. You learn through experience. He's contributed when he's in the game. Yes he's made some mistakes...Lets not rush to judgement on DT. After all he is a rookie. As far as the OP saying go with Trash....I disagree. DT has more talent, speed and size. I just wish Zorn would let him stretch the field. He has speed. Test it. He's usually lined up against the weaker corner. I agree with everyone who believes that Devin Thomas is far more superior in terms of talent and playmaking ability. I also wouldn't be thinking Thrash should replace Thomas if we weren't in the thick of the Wildcard race. However, I think there should be some sense of urgency amongst us because it looks like the playoff race is going to be wide open from here on out. That's why we can't afford more rookie slip-ups from Thomas. I agree on-field experience is a must for wide-eyed rookies but we can't be training guys at such a pivotal point in the season. Believe me, I want our rooks to succeed as much as everyone. JUST NOT NOW! Our schedule isn't as easy as it seems. We still have to play Philly, NY and Baltimore and we need to win 4 out of our remaining six to have a realistic shot at the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodus333 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Rookies should be tried out and given experience during the regular season, but when the games are must win you go with the consistent guy who doesn't make mistakes. Yeah thrash has no touchdowns, but does he have any penalties either? I can't remember the last time I was ever mad at Thrash for making a bad play. He's one of the most efficient guys on the team. Not alot of flash, but in these type of games mistake free is a better quality to have than flash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never4get#21 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I agree with everyone who believes that Devin Thomas is far more superior in terms of talent and playmaking ability. I also wouldn't be thinking Thrash should replace Thomas if we weren't in the thick of the Wildcard race. However, I think there should be some sense of urgency amongst us because it looks like the playoff race is going to be wide open from here on out. That's why we can't afford more rookie slip-ups from Thomas. I agree on-field experience is a must for wide-eyed rookies but we can't be training guys at such a pivotal point in the season. Believe me, I want our rooks to succeed as much as everyone. JUST NOT NOW! Our schedule isn't as easy as it seems. We still have to play Philly, NY and Baltimore and we need to win 4 out of our remaining six to have a realistic shot at the playoffs. As we get into the thick of this playoff race I think it's vital that we get DT involved. Teams dont know what to expect with him. He's shown flashes of his talent. We all know what Thrash brings to the table. No team fears Thrash. Get DT more involved now. He could be the sleeper we need during this push. We dont have a solid #2. ARE is a huge disappointment IMO. Getting DT involved will open up Moss and ARE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleVA Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I don't get it. Thomas - the rookie - dropped a pass and everyones flipping balls. It wasn't exactly a great pass by JC either. Dropped passes are part of the game - and the more we play Thomas, the better he'll get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST is my boy Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I don't get it.Thomas - the rookie - dropped a pass and everyones flipping balls. It wasn't exactly a great pass by JC either. Dropped passes are part of the game - and the more we play Thomas, the better he'll get. The problem is it goes way further than that one dropped pass. He has tons of penalties on his resume and he doesnt play all that much.....Zorn just doesnt trust him....along with our other rookies.....and thats actually something I like in Zorn....but he needs to give them there chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke1867 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Devin kinda looks small on TV but he is a big and strong dude. I got close enough to see the players and the guy is physical specimen. That's probably the reason for a lot of those offensive pass interference (which I think the refs should cut him some slack coz guys like T.O. and R. Moss do that often). I watched the game carefully and Devin is better than Thrash. I like Thrash but he is at the ceiling of what his contributions can be to this team. I don't know how the short to intermediate routes are supposed to be run but I see Devin holding his own on the turf. I actually like what I see from the guy and hope he pans out. I remember Brett Favre used to have the same type of issues with Greg Jennings. Jennings dropped balls or ran routes badly but was always in the game. Today he is one of the best receivers in the league. He learned by playing the game not by sitting outside. Desean Jackson was thrown into the fire and he has had a couple 100yd games. I think is bogus to not make either Kelly or Thomas primary targets from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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