Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 How come the much older Todd Collins somewhat excelled behind the same O-Line last year and Campbell is having all sorts of problems evading sacks? Last year Campbell was sacked 21 times in 13 games. Collins sack rate was much lower with a much better passer rating. Behind the same line. I understand that most of you don't want to throw any blame on Campbell, but it is time for you all to admit that it is not all the O-Line's fault. Campbell still holds on to the ball and don't see the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 How come the much older Todd Collins somewhat excelled behind the same O-Line last year and Campbell is having all sorts of problems evading sacks? Last year Campbell was sacked 21 times in 13 games. Collins sack rate was much lower with a much better passer rating. Behind the same line.I understand that most of you don't want to throw any blame on Campbell, but it is time for you all to admit that it is not all the O-Line's fault. Campbell still holds on to the ball and don't see the field. Man the O-line stunk period. I looked at the pocket Romo sits to pee had last night and Campbell. There's no comparison. They stunk. Even the throws Jason got off he was taking shots all night. Why can't O-line block like the Cowbums line did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOSS89 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 At times, yes. But Campbell at his best is waaaay better than Collins at his best. He is more athletic and can scramble when needed. The things Collins is good at are things that he has done for a long time in ONE SYSTEM. Where as JC is asked to do a ton of things each year, it seems. Give JC time and he'd destroy Collins. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco type situations are rare in the NFL. The Eli Manning case is far more likely to happen, where a team lets their QB develop. So give him time, he's gonna make some mistakes, but we'll be better in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da#1skinsfan Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 dude. give it up. the oline played at a higher level last year just like they did earlier this year. Campbell has a couple bad games behind a pathetic oline and youre ready to throw him under the bus. You are the reason this fan base gets a bad rap. there is good and bad with campbell, he isnt perfect. anyone who says hes all bad is an idiot and anyone who says hes all good is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 The Oline is the main problem, but some of the blame does fall on JC's shoulders. Any good QB finds a way to get the job done despite their Oline play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Collins was in an offense he spent god knows how many years with. Thats why. IT doesn't take a genius to figure out that Campbell was still learning the offense while Collins was a master at it as he should have been. Because Collins was so comfortable with the offense, he got rid of the ball quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcarey032 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Look at the teams that they were playing last year when Collins took over. They were playing a Bears team who wasn't going anywhere. They beat the Giants in NY in a game that NY didn't need to win. They beat the cowboys who were resting their players for the playoffs. It wasn't the same line as last year because Jansen wasn't in there and I don't know if you saw some of the other games that the redskins lost that year, but they looked just as bad last year. Those Sacks were not Jason campbell's fault. They did protect very well and they didn't run block at all either. That was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HareBear912 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Simple, different system. Todd Collins knew that system like the back of his hand. He was able to make quicker decisions then. In the new offense Todd looks lost. Did you watch training camp at all? His decision-making was way slower then JC's. How did JC not look downfield, everytime he actually had time to, he got the ball off accurately. The deep crossing pattern to ARE where JC had he threw a perfect strike. The deep ball to santan was a good throw that Santana usually catches. He dumped the ball short plenty of times, he was seeing the field fine when the pocket wasn't collapsing from all sides which unfortanetly most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
281skins Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Saunders offense is a timing offense, Collins played well in it because he's been buried in that playbook for years, Campbell has not. Can you Collins apologist explained what happened in the playoff game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 dude. give it up. the oline played at a higher level last year just like they did earlier this year. Campbell has a couple bad games behind a pathetic oline and youre ready to throw him under the bus. You are the reason this fan base gets a bad rap.there is good and bad with campbell, he isnt perfect. anyone who says hes all bad is an idiot and anyone who says hes all good is an idiot. QFT. He's a developing QB. He's shown some good flashes, but he can't do it all himself. Here's the problem: it's a death spiral: If you're O-Line can't block, you have to run shorter routes, and if you run shorter routes, the defense has to cover less ground and can sit on the routes and the running game. The o-line played better at the end of last year, and the team caught lightening in a bottle. TC would have been rocked last night, and Colt Brennan would have thrown 5 INTs. Can't prove it, but that's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 dude. give it up. the oline played at a higher level last year just like they did earlier this year. Campbell has a couple bad games behind a pathetic oline and youre ready to throw him under the bus. You are the reason this fan base gets a bad rap.there is good and bad with campbell, he isnt perfect. anyone who says hes all bad is an idiot and anyone who says hes all good is an idiot. Go look at JC's sack rate last year compared to Collins' sack rate behing the SAME line. I'm sorry, it's not all the lines fault. Some of the blame does sit on JC's shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkFan8 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Look at the teams that they were playing last year when Collins took over. They were playing a Bears team who wasn't going anywhere. They beat the Giants in NY in a game that NY didn't need to win. They beat the cowboys who were resting their players for the playoffs. It wasn't the same line as last year because Jansen wasn't in there and I don't know if you saw some of the other games that the redskins lost that year, but they looked just as bad last year. Those Sacks were not Jason campbell's fault. They did protect very well and they didn't run block at all either. That was terrible.Exactly.Remind me how Collins fared against the Seahawks great pass rush? Oh yeah, he got completely destroyed. JC is not immune from criticism, but he is the absolute least of our worries on offense right now. If you give JC the weapons Romo sits to pee has with that O-line he'd be lighting teams up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Exactly.Remind me how Collins fared against the Seahawks great pass rush? Oh yeah, he got completely destroyed. JC is not immune from criticism, but he is the absolute least of our worries on offense right now. If you give JC the weapons Romo sits to pee has with that O-line he'd be lighting teams up. Keep telling yourself that. Even when he does has time he has trouble finding anyone downfield. Sometimes you have to just let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
281skins Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 why aren't you giving an explanation on what happened in the playoff game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Go look at JC's sack rate last year compared to Collins' sack rate behing the SAME line. I'm sorry, it's not all the lines fault. Some of the blame does sit on JC's shoulders. Yeah some of the blame sits on JC's shoulders. But it isn't his fault he was put in a situation where he had to learn the offense quick and where people expected him to all of a sudden turn into a Pro Bowl QB. Collins did so well behind the same line because he was a career backup QB that mastered an offense that he was in for many many more years than Jason. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HareBear912 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 How does Campbell not look downfield? When he has time he has proven to look downfield and make strong accurate throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 It's a pretty simple explanation. The line pass protected at the end of last year. They've been beaten like rented mules the past two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 How come Santana Moss is playing much better than last year? How come Chris Cooley isn't catching touchdowns? How come Carlos Rogers is so much better? Clinton Portis? Why doesn't Laron Landry stand out like he did last year? How can Chris Horton be so good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 He played just like Campbell did last season when Patrick Kerney and Seattle were putting him on his back all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkFan8 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Keep telling yourself that. Even when he does has time he has trouble finding anyone downfield. Sometimes you have to just let it go.Way to ignore the point you yourself brought up. A+!I'd love to see you prove that he has trouble finding open receivers. Far, FAR, FAAAAR more often have I seen routine, drive continuing passes dropped by our abhorrent receiving core than I have JC flat out missing receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 why aren't you giving an explanation on what happened in the playoff game? Atleast he got us that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truskinsfan18 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Heyer is the answer. We had heyer the first time around when we went to Dallas, and we scored a lot more points. Jansen is Jasons right side blocker and is allowing someone in his face every time he drops back. Samuels is protecting the back side well, but it is all Jansens fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
281skins Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 So it was all collins, the defense had nothing to do with that run? And why are you avoiding the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Way to ignore the point you yourself brought up. A+!I'd love to see you prove that he has trouble finding open receivers. Far, FAR, FAAAAR more often have I seen routine, drive continuing passes dropped by our abhorrent receiving core than I have JC flat out missing receivers. I have watched him look downfield and settle on the safe pass. Like I said, sometimes you just have to let it rip. They did it once last night and it should have been a completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 So it was all collins, the defense had nothing to do with that run?And why are you avoiding the question? No, it wasn't all Collins, but it's funny that the line started blocking better as soon as Collins came in. Do they not like Campbell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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