Heisenberg Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Let me get this straight: It's probably a safe assumption that in the past few games Campbell is getting hit on at least 60% of the pass plays. It's also safe to say that he is getting pressure in his face on most of the other pass plays. So given those circumstances: I'm supposed to believe that benching the guy who looked great in the first half of the season is going to solve this problem? Especially when the guy who would replace him at this point would be a non-mobile pocket passer who didn't look very comfortable offense in the preseason. You have to love the knee-jerk reactions on this forum sometimes. Especially those that think Colt Brennan is somehow going to magically make the Redskins look better. He sure seemed to handle the constant pressure well last year in the BCS bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsRypenGClark91 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Go see Brad Johnson. If you are not quick in your decesions like Todd Collins last year , yeah its your fault Defenses pin their ears back and rush more when you prove you can't throw downfield or miss reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Go see Brad Johnson. If you are not quick in your decesions like Todd Collins last year , yeah its your faultDefenses pin their ears back and rush more when you prove you can't throw downfield or miss reads. Interesting. It's funny how when the offensive line was pass blocking well at the beginning of the year how much better the passing game looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Been stated here many times that Campbell is slow to get in pocket, is slow to read the coverage and has a sloth-like release. He does not seem to have that "other sense" this year about when to take off and run. While I am not calling for Brennen, exactly how was his 68% completion percentage and 110 passer rating in the pre-season "uncomfortable" in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Been stated here many times that Campbell is slow to get in pocket, is slow to read the coverage and has a sloth-like release. He does not seem to have that "other sense" this year about when to take off and run. While I am not calling for Brennen, exactly how was his 68% completion percentage and 110 passer rating in the pre-season "uncomfortable" in your opinion? He doesn't know when to scramble? He doesn't know how to avoid pressure? He's slow on his throws? Are you even watching this season? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revallenjr Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 The real problem is our defense put no pressure at all on Romo sits to pee. The one time I thought that we had him bottled up, he made that pitch to Austin. Looking at the replay, we were not even close to him on that play either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't think anybody is claiming the OL is blameless. I don't think the OL is even playing good right now, but that doesn't mean the Campbell is blameless either. Watching it (as best as I can from the stands), I see two things that strike me w/ respect Campbell: 1. He seems slow to transition from his first to second read (stares at one guy for a while and when its clear that guy isn't open the pocket is already started to break down and its to late). Other good qb's seem to make that first read while dropping back. They don't stand in the pocket and look at a guy. By the time, they set-up they are on guy #2. 2. We seem to run a lot of "designed" plays (e.g. the WR screen) on downs that to me seem to be good downs to throw it down the field. A large percent of plays on 2nd shorts seem to be these designed plays, and while they frequently pick up the 1st down, they rarely result in a big play. I don't know if that's Zorn and his play calling independent of Campbell or something else, but if you have an OL that has issue with pass blocking to me those are good downs to go play action pass, which helps the OL out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 He doesn't know when to scramble?He doesn't know how to avoid pressure? He's slow on his throws? Are you even watching this season? :doh: Yeah... its just easier to make the same old critisisms. I mean, who wants to actually make a good deduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryYourDuke Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I'm not calling for JC to be replaced. But we have to stop babying him. He has time to throw the ball. He freezes back there in indecision. Every other decent starting QB in the NFL seems to find the open guy in the amount of time that he has. Now, this could also be the fault of our receiving corps, so like most things the blame cannot be laid one one guy's shoulders. The offensive line is certainly guilty of some lack luster play as well. Like I said, I think JC should be the starter, but I do find it hysterical that he does so many of the things we wanted to run Mark Brunell out of town for, and it's okay now. Weird. I wonder why that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 He doesn't know when to scramble?He doesn't know how to avoid pressure? He's slow on his throws? Are you even watching this season? :doh: :doh::doh::doh: does not equal informed argument. Yesterday's 22 yard RUNNING PLAY, NOT SCRAMBLE, equals 1/4 of Campbells season rushing total. Before that he was averaging about 2 yds a carry. He simply is not leaving the pocket. I suggest you take a good look at the quality QB's in the league. They create plays 4-5 times a game. Campbell does not. At least not this year. I am not defending poor line play. It is obvious they need help up front. Campbell is just not helping himself. Nor is Zorn helping Campbell with his status quo playcalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 COLT BRENNAN IS THE SAVIOR!!! HE WOULD NOT GET SACKED, NO WAY!!! HE WOULD THROW FOR 300yds EVERY GAME!!!! Cut the effing Jokes. Just another losing Monday on www.extremekneejerkers.com Gotta Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
281skins Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 1. He seems slow to transition from his first to second read (stares at one guy for a while and when its clear that guy isn't open the pocket is already started to break down and its to late). Other good qb's seem to make that first read while dropping back. They don't stand in the pocket and look at a guy. By the time, they set-up they are on guy #2. yeah routes do have to develop.... it's not done in the first second the ball is hiked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Didn't the much older Todd Collins play behind the EXACT SAME O-Line last year? I think he did OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
281skins Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Didn't the much older Todd Collins play behind the EXACT SAME O-Line last year? I think he did OK. yes, the same todd collins who got abused in the seahawks playoff game because of pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 yes, the same todd collins who got abused in the seahawks playoff game because of pressure. Yeah, the same Collins who led us into the playoffs. What was Collins record and what was Campbells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Didn't the much older Todd Collins play behind the EXACT SAME O-Line last year? I think he did OK. No, that line had far more injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamboater Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Campbell is taking a lot of crap after this game. I think he should be held accountable for some things however, the guy had to constantly step back in the pocket which means he has no choice really than to throw his check down passes. The center of the line was getting killed by Ratliff, it wasnt just D Ware off the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
281skins Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Yeah, the same Collins who led us into the playoffs. What was Collins record and what was Campbells? Yeah the same Collins who only knew one offensive system most of his career and played well because of that. Collins sure did look crisp during the preseason running a vanilla WCO, but don't let your mancrush on him blind you of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 No, that line had far more injuries. So in other words, Collins played behind a ragtag line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodus333 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 what bugs me is the lack of improvement week to week. we know our o line is struggling but we dont seem to be adjusting our playcalling at all to adjust for it. I think we should be using shotgun formation alot more than we are, or at least be able to make some gametime adjustments for things that aren't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 OP is right. JC cannot make plays on his back. I am fully expecting Zorn to urgently spend draft picks on a RT and a Center. The number of times that Campbell is being sacked is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwrld Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I really must be watching a different game then those that want to blame Campbell instead of the O-Line. The O-line is S***! Anybody that thinks Campbell's release is the problem is a damn fool. Oppenents D is coming in free and clear! How quick can Campbell possibly be??? Rabach was being beat like a little b**** all game. Campbell is one of the most mobile qbs the redskins have ever had and he is struggling to get away! I can't count how many times I am watching Campbell SAVE the play when the O-line breaks down. This board just pisses me off! We we win, Jason is great... when we lose, time to bench him! its pathetic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truskinsfan18 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Heyer is the answer. We had heyer the first time around when we went to Dallas, and we scored a lot more points. Jansen is Jasons right side blocker and is allowing someone in his face every time he drops back. Samuels is protecting the back side well, but it is all Jansens fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
281skins Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Jansen did a piss poor job pass blocking last night, anyone who watched the game can see that. I hope Zorn puts in Heyer in place of jansen, im sure Heyer can learn to run block better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinzBoi85 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't think anybody is claiming the OL is blameless. I don't think the OL is even playing good right now, but that doesn't mean the Campbell is blameless either.Watching it (as best as I can from the stands), I see two things that strike me w/ respect Campbell: 1. He seems slow to transition from his first to second read (stares at one guy for a while and when its clear that guy isn't open the pocket is already started to break down and its to late). Other good qb's seem to make that first read while dropping back. They don't stand in the pocket and look at a guy. By the time, they set-up they are on guy #2. 2. We seem to run a lot of "designed" plays (e.g. the WR screen) on downs that to me seem to be good downs to throw it down the field. A large percent of plays on 2nd shorts seem to be these designed plays, and while they frequently pick up the 1st down, they rarely result in a big play. I don't know if that's Zorn and his play calling independent of Campbell or something else, but if you have an OL that has issue with pass blocking to me those are good downs to go play action pass, which helps the OL out. I was there as well And I couldn't have said it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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