ciscofan Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/jc_through_two_starts_vs_matt.html#more Jim Zorn didn't really want to go here during his presser - drawing any comparisons between Jason Campbell after two games in this system and Matt Hasselbeck in his first games under Zorn in Seattle - but I will. I'm not trying to insinuate in any way that Campbell is going to become as good as Hasselbeck, or anything like that. But for as much heat as JC takes, I think it should be noted that his struggles don't even come close to what Hasselbeck/Zorn endured at the start of the 2001 season (Hasselbeck's first under him, after two years as a backup in the same system in Green Bay) In Hasselbeck's first two games that season, he was 29-for-58 for 240 yards, with no TDs, and 2 INTs. He had a 46.6 passer rating and was sacked 11 times. JC is 39-for-63 (62 percent) for 454 yards and two TDs with no INTs, a rating of 94.3. Hasselbeck was sacked 17 times in his first three starts with three picks and no TDs. He then missed a few games and threw his first TD pass in a win over Miami in his fourth start (he posted a 107 rating that day). Hasselbeck started 12 games in 2001 overall, with seven TDs, 8 INTs and a 70.9 rating, and obviously blossomed into a Pro Bowl guy from there. So it takes some time and there will be bumps in the road. Campbell is being asked to adapt again to a system and we'll see how that fit evolves over time. Sunday's outing is a huge confidence boost for the entire offense, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 The thing i love about Zorn. He is not about the West coast offense. He is willing to adapt. If he sees something that his team does well, he will use it. He will put square pegs into holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 There is only one stat I am interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Great post!! Its very interesting indeed. I'm sure JC has a better supporting cast. Redskins fans and owner don't have as much patience as Seattle did with Matt Hasselbeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 You can also look at how Hasselbeck has done without Zorn as a QB coach. So far this year: 35 out of 77 for a 45.5 completion%. 379 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs and a QB rating of 48.6 Zorn seems to make a positive difference in his QB's :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 You can also look at how Hasselbeck has done without Zorn as a QB coach.So far this year: 35 out of 77 for a 45.5 completion%. 379 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs and a QB rating of 48.6 Zorn seems to make a positive difference in his QB's :cool: LOL...lets be fair to Matt. He has a bulging disk in his back and is down to his fourth and fifth receiver as his starters on a team that uses multiple receivers at any given time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 You can also look at how Hasselbeck has done without Zorn as a QB coach.So far this year: 35 out of 77 for a 45.5 completion%. 379 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs and a QB rating of 48.6 Zorn seems to make a positive difference in his QB's :cool: All of his receivers are out with injury. He's now throwing to Billy McMullen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I like the comparison which gives us a peek at the possible timeline for JC's progression. Hope we can hang-on and win a few games in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REEGSKINS Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 i like that zorn lets campbell throw more. zorn has a way bigger sack than gibbs 2.0. campbell actually got into a nice rhythm in the 2nd half. no joe gibbs team would have thrown on that 4th and 2 play. i love the unpredictability. campbell will be fine under zorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilsu Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I don't see how comparing Matt Hasselbeck's first two games to Jason Campbell's 21st and 22nd game is that great of a comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnewbs Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Wasn't Matt Hasselbeck starting his first NFL games ever? IF so then how can you compare him with JC who has had the experience of just more than a season under his belt even though he is in a new system? I mean JC is great and good post showing these stats but IMO they're really relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish50 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/jc_through_two_starts_vs_matt.html#moreJim Zorn didn't really want to go here during his presser - drawing any comparisons between Jason Campbell after two games in this system and Matt Hasselbeck in his first games under Zorn in Seattle - but I will. I'm not trying to insinuate in any way that Campbell is going to become as good as Hasselbeck, or anything like that. But for as much heat as JC takes, I think it should be noted that his struggles don't even come close to what Hasselbeck/Zorn endured at the start of the 2001 season (Hasselbeck's first under him, after two years as a backup in the same system in Green Bay) In Hasselbeck's first two games that season, he was 29-for-58 for 240 yards, with no TDs, and 2 INTs. He had a 46.6 passer rating and was sacked 11 times. JC is 39-for-63 (62 percent) for 454 yards and two TDs with no INTs, a rating of 94.3. Hasselbeck was sacked 17 times in his first three starts with three picks and no TDs. He then missed a few games and threw his first TD pass in a win over Miami in his fourth start (he posted a 107 rating that day). Hasselbeck started 12 games in 2001 overall, with seven TDs, 8 INTs and a 70.9 rating, and obviously blossomed into a Pro Bowl guy from there. So it takes some time and there will be bumps in the road. Campbell is being asked to adapt again to a system and we'll see how that fit evolves over time. Sunday's outing is a huge confidence boost for the entire offense, if nothing else. Give it a rest! We all agree that JC showed some improvement yesterday. I could give a rats ass about Hasselbeck, I want to see improvement and consistency from JC on a weekly basis. He's in his 3rd year (2nd year as a starter) and all the excuses are becoming lame. Last year he showed signs of being a very good QB but he was up and down so I'm not going to crown him as the saviour of Washington after one good game. He needs to show signs of progression and improvement each game. Starring down his receivers and holding onto the ball too long are still one of his glaring weaknesses. He showed signs of improvement by moving up in the pocket when pressured and not moving outside of it, creating sacks and or fumbles. So let's see how he performs this Sunday against the birds. I hope to see him show more signs of improvement and get us another win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins55 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I would compare Campbell to McNabb's west coast offense ability rather than Hasselbeck's. MCNabb is using the shotgun and is still running the west coast fluidly. Zorn should take notes.Campbell looks much more comfortable playing behind center and in the shotgun rather than behind center most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMeast Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Also Matt Hasselbeck played the Cleveland Browns lead by Tim Couch and the Iggles in the first two games: Browns: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=17680&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2001&week=REG1 Iggles: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=17708&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2001&week=REG2 HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Very unfair to compare the two. Hasselbeck is down to a rookie TE and 4th string WR's to throw to due to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMeast Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Very unfair to compare the two. Hasselbeck is down to a rookie TE and 4th string WR's to throw to due to injuries. I am pretty sure they are comparing his first two starts in the system and not his first two starts of this year. :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh: HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I am pretty sure they are comparing his first two starts in the system and not his first two starts of this year. :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh: HTTR Ah read it wrong. Sorry. Thats what I get for trying to watch the game and type at the same time. I've looked at Hasselbecks numbers when he first got to Seattle and they weren't great IIRC. JC has room to grow but the difference between game 1 and 2 is pretty good and has me optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMeast Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I agree I am optimistic but I am not going to buy into it just yet. I hope he can consistently play well at a good tempo with a quick release. If he improves upon this Sunday I think the Redskins could knocked one of the NFC (B)East teams out of playoff contention I am just not sure which one of them that would be, because they all look crazy good on offense besides for the Giants. HTTR HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 You can also look at how Hasselbeck has done without Zorn as a QB coach.So far this year: 35 out of 77 for a 45.5 completion%. 379 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs and a QB rating of 48.6 Zorn seems to make a positive difference in his QB's :cool: I agree that Zorn helped make Matt Hasselbeck a good QB. But, to say that Hasselbecks struggles are due to Zorn departure isn't accurate. You have to factor in that Seattle has 6 receivers injured: Bobby Engram Deion Branch Nate Burelson Ben Obamanu Logan Payne Seneca Wallace QB/WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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