Poll: Bugel: An Honest Assessment of His Coaching Today

[JoeGibbsRypenGClark91]

Bugel has been screwed. They never draft offensive line in the first round . They let his best run blocker in Dockery go. They made the freaking playoffs with their right side gone last year.

It seems like everyone wants to blame the old coaches and not the managment.

[Peregrine]

The number one problem with our offense is, has been, and will be, the playcalling. You cannot tell me that the playcalling for years has been great, and it has just been the offensive line that has been failing. Until the playcalling gets fixed, it makes little sense to judge the offensive line coach. Its easy to stop the run when you know a team is running it, and they cant pass the ball.

[JoeGibbsRypenGClark91]

The number one problem with our offense is, has been, and will be, the playcalling. You cannot tell me that the playcalling for years has been great, and it has just been the offensive line that has been failing. Until the playcalling gets fixed, it makes little sense to judge the offensive line coach. Its easy to stop the run when you know a team is running it, and they cant pass the ball.

No stop with the playcalling nonsense. Why when Todd Collins came in all the time managment, throwing and scoring problems were fixed instantly?

The coaches don't call check downs and runs on every play. Its the QB reading the defense.

How many coaches do you need to go through? We had Gibbs year 1, Musgrave, Gibbs year two, Saunders year 3, Saunders /Gibbs year 4a and the only time the offense worked was with a good QB.

The QB play is bad.. Bottom line. I hope Campbell gets better but lets stop saying 10,000 coaches are bad because Campbell can't read a defense.

[McD5]

No stop with the playcalling nonsense. Why when Todd Collins came in all the time managment, throwing and scoring problems were fixed instantly?

The coaches don't call check downs and runs on every play. Its the QB reading the defense.

How many coaches do you need to go through? We had Gibbs year 1, Musgrave, Gibbs year two, Saunders year 3, Saunders /Gibbs year 4a and the only time the offense worked was with a good QB.

The QB play is bad.. Bottom line. I hope Campbell gets better but lets stop saying 10,000 coaches are bad because Campbell can't read a defense.

I don't disagree with this. The qb isn't exactly helping us.

Snyder and Vinny may also be killing us in many different ways. From not drafting.....to dictating to head coach candidates that JC was going to be the starter.

But, to be fair....the offensive line might be killing us too.....and Bugel....by not utilizing a blocking scheme that plays to the talents of Portis--well, he might be holding us back as well.

It is impossible to know.....but I wonder if any of the players on the line still buy into his system.

I don't mean bs interviews, where of course....just like with Gibbs 2, they will always say they love to play for him. I mean truthfully. Do they really believe in his system in today's league?

It doesn't sound like Portis does. Nor does it sound like at least one of his peers does either. :2cents:

[turbodiesel#44]

You can't make a call on Bugel until the team discloses what say he has in the drafts. He has done well with what he has been given, but has he asked for more and been refused? Or has he wanted to stay only with these same guys year after year?

[Peregrine]

No stop with the playcalling nonsense. Why when Todd Collins came in all the time managment, throwing and scoring problems were fixed instantly?

The coaches don't call check downs and runs on every play. Its the QB reading the defense.

How many coaches do you need to go through? We had Gibbs year 1, Musgrave, Gibbs year two, Saunders year 3, Saunders /Gibbs year 4a and the only time the offense worked was with a good QB.

The QB play is bad.. Bottom line. I hope Campbell gets better but lets stop saying 10,000 coaches are bad because Campbell can't read a defense.

Thats exactly it. Collins came in and because he had been in Saunders system for so long, they ADMITTED that they changed the playcalling. They had previously admitted to handcuffing JC because they didnt think he could handle it. Its not just some giant coincidence that the Redskins keep bringing in WR after WR, QB after QB, and still get nothing. Its a simple matter of paying just a little attention to the game, and you will see just how bad the playcalling is.

You seriously cannot sit there and say, unless you have thrown reason and objectivity out the window, that Zorn called a good game last game. How then do you explain the 5 minute 2 minute offense, and the back to back running plays? If he did such a bad job managing those aspects of the game, why then do you think that every other facet of the game he had nailed down? How is JC responsible for Portis getting hit in the backfield? How is he responsible for continued 3rd and 1 run calls that get stuffed? If you just pay a little attention, you will see teams keying on the run, you will see a lack of WR's stretching out the D on 3rd down plays, and just general poor playcalling.

In that last game, the skins ran 6 times to the left, for 5 yards per carry. And yet, despite that success, Zorn elected to ONLY run 6 times to the left(the side Kiwanuka was on, filling in for the injured Osi). He then ran 17 times to the middle and the right averaging less than half the ypc. Thats playcalling geared for success, and thats JC's fault?

[bubba9497]

In that last game, the skins ran 6 times to the left, for 5 yards per carry. And yet, despite that success, Zorn elected to ONLY run 6 times to the left(the side Kiwanuka was on, filling in for the injured Osi). He then ran 17 times to the middle and the right averaging less than half the ypc. Thats playcalling geared for success, and thats JC's fault?

actually the Skins ran left 9 times for 54 yards

middle 8 times for 15 yards

right 6 times for 15 yards

per JLC

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/getting_off_on_the_right_foot.html#more

[TheLongshot]

You seriously cannot sit there and say, unless you have thrown reason and objectivity out the window, that Zorn called a good game last game. How then do you explain the 5 minute 2 minute offense, and the back to back running plays? If he did such a bad job managing those aspects of the game, why then do you think that every other facet of the game he had nailed down? How is JC responsible for Portis getting hit in the backfield? How is he responsible for continued 3rd and 1 run calls that get stuffed? If you just pay a little attention, you will see teams keying on the run, you will see a lack of WR's stretching out the D on 3rd down plays, and just general poor playcalling.

Some of that IS on Campbell and the WRs. Neither made enough plays to make the defense respect the pass. I agree that some of it is on Zorn as well, because he didn't exactly make things easier for Campbell in the second half.

But, you also have to point the finger at Cooley and Heyer who wasn't able to get the job done on their side of the line.

There are many players and coaches you can point fingers at for our problems last Thursday.

In that last game, the skins ran 6 times to the left, for 5 yards per carry. And yet, despite that success, Zorn elected to ONLY run 6 times to the left(the side Kiwanuka was on, filling in for the injured Osi). He then ran 17 times to the middle and the right averaging less than half the ypc. Thats playcalling geared for success, and thats JC's fault?

Ever thought the reason why we got that much over there was because we moved it around? Last year Gibbs was often going left because that's where the strength of the line was. Defenses react by loading up on that side of the line, especially when they know the other side isn't quite up to the task, which is what a lot of defenses did last year.

Jason

[Wyvern]

I think Bugel is still a fine coach for the Skins. He managed through adversity in 2007 and will do so again in 2008, if necessary.

He's made the most with what he's been put in charge of. True there haven't been many early round draft picks, or pricey free agents, but teams show interest in signing players he's trained that were let go (Dockery, Molinaro, Nudweke, Wade, and others).

Also, I recall that the front office was trying to keep Dockery until the price-tag got ridiculous. They tried to sign Leonard Davis too, but that didn't work out because Davis preferred playing in Texas. If either one of those guys were here, we'd probably have a very good line to run behind, indeed. indeed. Instead Bugel developed Heyer, and will use the remaining years that Kendall has to offer.

Basically, in recent years, the competition for quality free-agent O-linemen got extremely pricey -- and the Skins were still coping with cap issues. The existing long-term contracts of Thomas and Jansen do not leave much room for the FO to throw cap-dollars at early draft-pick O-linemen -- especially when the Skins are having to fill needs at other positions as well. They can't afford to have paying starter level money to people sitting on the bench.

Overall, Bugel has done a great job. He's had to work with several different offensive coordinators and philosophies -- but somehow seems to have maintained greater continuity for his group.

I agree we do need an infusion of new talent for Bugel to work with. Rinehart, Crummey, and Moore are a good start. However, premium level offensive tackles are much harder to find in the lower rounds or free-agents/walk-ons pool. We'll need to draft here fairly soon.

[veteranskinsfan]

NFL Network discussed the quote from Portis today and Portis is saying there are no open holes for him to run because they are putting 8/9 men in the box to stop him because opposing teams think Campbell can't hit on his passes. If I were coaching against the Skins I would do the same thing. So this puts an additional burden on the offensive line that ordinarily they would not have if Campbell could complete some passes especially in the first quarter. Look at the end of last year, Portis got more runs and the back-up q-back completed more passes once the opposing team had to respect the passing game more. Players play and coaches coach. Skins fans need to put a little more focus on analyzing players performance and get off the coaches backs. We can't keep switching coaching regimes here every few years. Look at the Atlanta quarterback last week. He performed so well and the result was a win. He did what the coaches told him to do. They are winning without Michael Vick and using a rookie Q-back.

[Hubbs]

I'll freely admit that I had a lot of doubts about Buges coming back for this era of football, and those doubts only increased as I watched Gibbs struggle to re-create the offensive magic he could always conjure up in the 80's. I was wrong, though - Bugel's done a damn good job with the players he's been given. We've infused our offensive line with practically zero legitimate talent from the college ranks since 2004, but Bugel's managed to create cohesive, effective units out of a total patchwork personnel job. After last year, I'm convinced that most of the failings we've blamed on the line in the past couple seasons have actually been rooted at quarterback - Todd Collins came in and we instantly had one of the most productive offenses in the league, despite 3/5 of the line being out-of-place backups (including an undrafted rookie). I have tremendous respect for what Bugel has done the past few years, and can only hope he sticks around for another three or four.

[Sonny9TD]

I'll freely admit that I had a lot of doubts about Buges coming back for this era of football, and those doubts only increased as I watched Gibbs struggle to re-create the offensive magic he could always conjure up in the 80's. I was wrong, though - Bugel's done a damn good job with the players he's been given. We've infused our offensive line with practically zero legitimate talent from the college ranks since 2004, but Bugel's managed to create cohesive, effective units out of a total patchwork personnel job. After last year, I'm convinced that most of the failings we've blamed on the line in the past couple seasons have actually been rooted at quarterback - Todd Collins came in and we instantly had one of the most productive offenses in the league, despite 3/5 of the line being out-of-place backups (including an undrafted rookie). I have tremendous respect for what Bugel has done the past few years, and can only hope he sticks around for another three or four.

That part about Collins is right on.

[cphil006]

I was hoping we draft more lineman... we need depth. We need to find diamonds in the rough.

[wlbai]

I think Bugel does wonders with what he's had to work with. I agree with other posters that lack of a passing game makes the OL look bad. When the D knows we aren't gonna pass..why not bring everyone in?

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Well, hindsight allowed me to vote YES to this poll. I know the Saints aren't the stoutest D out there, but even without Hollis Thomas their front 4 are pretty good, and we outgained them by nearly 2 yds a carry yesterday.

This without Rino in there, and Stephon Heyer still learning how to generate a good push in run blocking. I'd say Buges is in fact, to borrow redman's term, "a witch."