Poll: Bugel: An Honest Assessment of His Coaching Today

[scruffylookin]

The Hogs were 20 years ago.

If you look at what Bugel has done since then with us and elsewhere, he's been average (at best).

I don't think he's done a good job at all.

His Oline has been alot of hype, very little results when it matters.

I think (hope) that this will be his last year here and assuming it is, the only thing that he deserves credit for in his 5 years back with the Skins is getting Chris Samuels back on his game after Samuels slipped a bit in 02 & alot in 03.

[HigSkin]

I didn't vote b/c I would pick somewhere in the middle if that makes any sense. I do think he's doing the best that he can given the circumstances.

I'm with BMac. I won't vote because there needs to be another selection.

Maybe something like:

"Has done wonders keeping the group together and through injuries but his line was built for a Gibbs style of offense. He could be in trouble with the WCO style game."

[Scottsman]

When no one respects your ability to pass that is the consequence. It is not a function of the line.

Well said. We have a quarterback with a cannon for an arm, quality receivers, and time to throw, yet we are not a deep threat because we never go down field and can't seem to run a route past the first down marker. I wish I had a dollar for every draw play we ran on third and forever. If we never threaten deep, we will never get defenses to keep eight men out of the box. I don't care who is doing the blocking, no offense puts up consistent run numbers against eight men fronts. I think Bugel is doing well with what he has to work with.

[brandymac27]

There's a really great article about him in the BN forum. Here's the direct link to it:

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/sep/12/joe-bugel-presses-on-after-daughters-death/

[bubba9497]

geez some of you guys have very short memories

last season alone was one of the best coaching jobs he's ever done, losing two important starters for the year, having multiple line up changes because of injury, taking a UDFA rookie, and making him into a starter, Fabini, a career tackle, and coaching him to be a serviceable guard (a position he's never played), adding Kendall two weeks before the season started.... and had a top 10 rush game, and in the top half of the league in fewest sacks allowed. Better rush stats than the over hyped Poke OL, and only 4 more sacks allowed than the Pokes had with no injuries and a mobile QB

2 years ago, the OL allowed only 19 sacks all year... 8 games with ZERO sacks, only 13 sacks in 15 games, and with Betts starting only half the season, topped 1100 yards, and the team overall finished #4 in rushing, in 05 Portis broke the Team rushing record

week 1, against the Giants they allowed only 1 sack on the first play.... the Giants OL gave up more sacks

that stretch of OL play (05 to present) is better than about 90% of the NFL during the same period of time, many teams having fewer problems too boot.

[Blondie]

geez some of you guys have very short memories

last season alone was one of the best coaching jobs he's ever done, losing two important starters for the year, having multiple line up changes because of injury, taking a UDFA rookie, and making him into a starter, Fabini, a career tackle, and coaching him to be a serviceable guard (a position he's never played), adding Kendall two weeks before the season started.... and had a top 10 rush game, and in the top half of the league in fewest sacks allowed.

2 years ago, the OL allowed only 19 sacks all year... 8 games with ZERO sacks, only 13 sacks in 15 games, and with Betts starting only half the season, topped 1100 yards, and the team overall finished #4 in rushing, in 05 Portis broke the Team rushing record

against the Giants they allowed only 1 sack on the first play.... the Giants OL gave more sacks

that stretch of OL play is better than about 90% of the NFL during the same period of time, many teams having fewer problems too boot.

bubba, bubba, bubba.

Do NOT bring reality to the discussion.

OLS.

Many fans can not get past last Thursday.

Our O line needs upgrading. I don't think anyone is denying that fact. I was pleased that, given JC's tendency to stand and stare, there were not multiple sacks.

[Sonny9TD]

"I wish I could go to a team for one week with the best offensive line, or the team with the best scheme, and switch places with their back and see how others would do in this system," Portis said, sitting on a couch the other day at Redskins Park. "I get a lot of touches with nowhere to run. I could see if I got all those touches and had some lanes, but there's nine or 10 men in the box.

"His decisiveness as a runner between the tackles seems a little bit hampered by the blocking schemes up front," said Sundquist, who drafted Portis and eventually traded him for all-pro cornerback Champ Bailey. "Especially under [former coach Joe] Gibbs, they weren't running a zone blocking scheme. As I watch Washington now, he gets kind of caught up in there and tends to start dancing, and he loses that lower power that he has. I just see more two- or three-yard runs out of Clinton than I ever did here. Even his bad runs here, they felt like they were four or five."

Our beloved Joe Bugel. Innovator of the Hogs. Arguably one of the top o-line coaches in history during his first tenure. Much like Gibbs 1--a superstar.

He has gone through a lot personally over the last few years, with the unfortunate events inside his family. And for that, we must empathize with, and support him 100%. He has my respect as a man.

But Bugel 2, as a coach....removing all personal bias and like for him personally.....is he getting the job done?

The discussion may be moot.....if we don't improve on the line this season, the chances of this being his last are probably 90% or better.

But as an O-line coach....how has his performance been during this second stint?

Has he given Portis what he deserves? Has he put him in the best position to succeed? Has he coached anyone up to play above their natural talent level?

Has he updated his coaching technique, a criticism against Gibbs 2, to adapt to the modern NFL? Zone blocking Joe?

Did he, as most fans on this board did, realize that Jansen had lost a step even prior to his injury last season? And then, upon that realization....did he do enough to address that situation?

Did he stand up during the draft this season....and say "Hey, you aren't drafting 3 receivers in the second round......we need some line help?"

Is he giving our qbs enough time to throw the ball?

While we love him as a man, and respect him for being a primary part of our Superbowl successes......if his name was John Smith, as opposed to Joe Bugel......how would you rate the job he has done over the last few seasons....and the job he is doing now?

I like an intelligent post. This is one.

:dallasuck

[Sonny9TD]

bubba, bubba, bubba.

Do NOT bring reality to the discussion.

OLS.

Many fans can not get past last Thursday.

Our O line needs upgrading. I don't think anyone is denying that fact. I was pleased that, given JC's tendency to stand and stare, there were not multiple sacks.

I'll take a RT or Center with the 1st round pick. Or I'll trade down and do the very same.

[Chump Bailey]

The line was playing lights out football in pass protection and run blocking in 2006. I still think Bugel's a good coach. It may just be a question of whether he needs a new horse or two and soon. The run blocking has been abysmal.

My gut tells me to expect a rebound this Sunday with major improvements everywhere...

[PCS]

I like an intelligent post. This is one.

:dallasuck

Funny how "intelligent" posts are when they share the same opinion about something.

[LoveDaSkins172645]

First off I voted, I love Buges, however with that said, it's time for him to move on. The game just like in the case of Gibbs has passed him by. We were supposed to have running plays more like Denver's, however we still continue to try to run power football with a back that is too small. I love the hell outta portis for his heart, and his game, however he needs to have a running scheme that works to his abilities SPEED and getting in the OPEN FIELD, the ZONE BLOCKING SCHEME! Fact of the matter this line won't succeed with Buges for a few good reasons. First off Gibbs brought in that Grandfather mentality! Buges also is a loving old man, he doesn't get in your face like they both did years ago. Now we Zorn calling players out AS GIBBS and BUGEL should have done all along, clown them and make them accountable, all that coach them up dribble insults my intelligence, remember these are millionaires make more money than most of us will see in a lifetime! I would say this whole roster needs to be turned over within the next 4 years. I would keep Portis, Cooley, Landry, Carter, Fletcher, Montgomery, Goldston, Heyer and a few others but the rest need a 1 way ticket outta here, get some young players with mean streaks, not these veterans that have this KOMBYA attitude that Gibbs developed, I mean we know Snyder pays well, so many people come here for the check and they know they won't be challenged much. We need Zorn to continue to put these players on blast, cut a few as examples and light some fire under thier asses. The days of Club Gibbs should be gone! and Buges needs to ride off into the sunset and enjoy being a senior citizen, not trying to rest on past laurels of decades ago, he has had more then enough time to get THE HOGS2 together but these DIRTBAGS are just that. They don't have it and with Bugel they never will, this is a violent game, the love they neighbor crap needs to be turned off for 60 minutes but you can't do both here in Washington and it's evident by the continued 1/2 ass things that plague the Skins.

[Sonny9TD]

Funny how "intelligent" posts are when they share the same opinion about something.

What opinion do I share that is the same? Funny how someone can read something into a post that isn't even there to try and make a point of their own. The intelligent post remark was because he brought up both sides of the issue with equal enthusiasm. Your remark is your agenda.

[LoveDaSkins172645]

What opinion do I share that is the same? Funny how someone can read something into a post that isn't even there to try and make a point of their own. The intelligent post remark was because he brought up both sides of the issue with equal enthusiasm. Your remark is your agenda.

WOW I smell a vacation coming...

Sonny did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning of did you eat some gunpower? Telling a MOD they have an agenda and to spend time fixing Avatars???

:laugh:

[RalphZero]

The million dollar question is ... "Does Joe Bugel understand the West Coast Offense?".

The WCO could be brand new to Bugel just like it's brand new to the O-Linemen.

[PCS]

What opinion do I share that is the same? Funny how someone can read something into a post that isn't even there to try and make a point of their own. The intelligent post remark was because he brought up both sides of the issue with equal enthusiasm. Your remark is your agenda.

OLS. You're not important enough for an agenda.

[Sonny9TD]

WOW I smell a vacation coming...

Sonny did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning of did you eat some gunpower? Telling a MOD they have an agenda and to spend time fixing Avatars???

:laugh:

I was commenting on how well someone covered a topic from both sides. His comments were silly even if he is a mod.

[Chanhillbilly]

He had a rough summer. No doubt about it. But he is a great, great coach. None of his current or former player will dispute that.

As for CP having shorter runs, true its not the same as when he was in denver and his linemen were diving sideways into the DL's knees and had them playing backwards for their protection.

[Sonny9TD]

OLS. You're not important enough for an agenda.[/QUOTer

You should stop with the immature comments. You're just mad because I called out your BS. Sounds like that avatar is all you got to feel important.

[brandymac27]

OLS. You're not important enough for an agenda.[/QUOTer

You should stop with the immature comments. You're just mad because I called out your BS. Sounds like that avatar is all you got to feel important.

You're really asking for it. What was the point in editing your post to throw the avatar comment in? Grow up.

[Sonny9TD]

You're really asking for it. What was the point in editing your post to throw the avatar comment in? Grow up.

There is no avatar comment. Learn to read.

[JoeGibbsRypenGClark91]

Gibbs and bugel were stuck with over priced offensive line who could not pass block like Jansen and Randy Thomas. And Dockery they built up and let go because he got paid.

Not much he could do with this grew.

[brandymac27]

There is no avatar comment. Learn to read.

"You should stop with the immature comments. You're just mad because I called out your BS. Sounds like that avatar is all you got to feel important."

You're right. No avatar comment here.

[Sonny9TD]

You're really asking for it. What was the point in editing your post to throw the avatar comment in? Grow up.

There is no avatar comment. Learn to read. Your comments are based on trying to make the mod like you. Leave me out of your ungenuine scheme.

[brandymac27]

There is no avatar comment. Learn to read. Your comments are based on trying to make the mod like you. Leave me out of your ungenuine scheme.

Whatever you say. Grow up.

And BTW- despite your ignorant comment, you CLEARLY and Intentionally edited your post addressed to PCS specifically to throw in the ridiculous AVATAR comment.

[Sonny9TD]

"You should stop with the immature comments. You're just mad because I called out your BS. Sounds like that avatar is all you got to feel important."

You're right. No avatar comment here.

Oh that avatar. I meant every word of that. Grow up yourself and stay out of other peoples business when you are clearly trying to get on his good side because of his avatar. If he wasn't a mod you never would have said anything. I know this and so do you. Your grow up comments were intended for a mirror.