88Comrade2000 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Which would be more devasting to the respective political parties? 1. Obama losing in a democratic year? 2. Mccain losing in a democratic year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 It has to be the Democrats. If they couldn't win in an environment suited for them; then when can they win the presidency? For the Republicans, it would probably be welcomed. They won't like the Dems having full control but this would bring about the clensing that is needed in the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx07 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yea, I think if Obama were to lose it would be much more devastating to the dems than a McCain loss would be to the Republicans. I like them both for different reasons. I'm not sure who I'll vote for but if Obama earns it (he still has some ideas that bother me) and can put the deal away, I'll feel lucky to have lived through such a historical event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins8921 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Well you know Obama's gonna win. So Obama. So yea, hopefully this year will be pretty devastating for the democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 It would have to be for the Dems. The Hills and the Obamas are the standard bearers for the more progressive (liberal) majority of the Democratic party. Whereas the Blue Dog (moderates) are the minority. If they lose after having a standing President of the opposition party with such extreme negative polling, there is no other way to look at it but a repudiation of their beliefs. If McCain loses, it would send quite a few less ripples down the spine of the GOP. McCain, in spite of his cow towing to the (social) conservative base of the party is part of the (socially and legislatively) progressive and minority side of the GOP and only in the majority when it comes to his views on foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think the dems too, but each party has their built in rationalizations all set. For the dems the excuse will be race. I don't think.... I hope that that doesn't play a huge factor, but it will be put out there. For the repubs, it's manifold... Well, McCain wasn't a true Conservative. It's damn hard to win the Presidency three times in a row. The economy sucks and even if we're doing better there people want us out of Iraq. You've been hearing lots o' "We're going to win talk" from both parties, but that's the subcurrent you also hear. In my opinion, it'd be best for the Republicans and the country if the Republicans lost. The Repubs need to do some soul searching and need to get back to what they once were. You tend not to do as much soul searching if you are victorious. In the last eight years, far too many Republicans have been incarcarated, found guilty of corruption, and have been waaaaay too pro-spending and pro-enormous government (Hey, if the Dems are traditionally for big government, this crop of repubs are for enormous government that's hyper intrusive into our personal lives). It'd be nice if the Republican rhetoric at least came within a solar system of their actions. I don't think that will happen if they win again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramdizzle Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 It has to be the Democrats. If they couldn't win in an environment suited for them; then when can they win the presidency?For the Republicans, it would probably be welcomed. They won't like the Dems having full control but this would bring about the clensing that is needed in the party. I agree with this, however IMO Obama will hurt this nation more than move it forward or even to keep it the same. So even though i am not a big fan of McCain I would like him to win over obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think a Republican loss would be far more devastating because if they don't have the White House, they basicaly have nothing. Then the Democrats could enact nationalized healthcare, end the Iraq war, raise taxes on the rich and lower taxes for the poor, balance the budget-and basically everything else Republicans hate. And they would be basically powerless to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Democrats, no question. Republicans have zero to lose. Bush's ratings are still in the low 30's, so no one expects anything at this point. It is amazing to me that McCain is still just a few points behind Obama, considering he was bankrupt last summer and the entire Media has been campaigning for Obama for what? 2 years now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Is this really a question? Some of you guys are not thinking about this.It would be far more devastating for the republicans. Democrats will still control congress. It sucks to be out of power and it is hard to get it back. If it wasn't for the Iraq war, republicans would still control congress. Adressing midnight judges post: I am actually encouraged that nationalized healthcare will not be implemented. Anybody who actually reads Obama healthcare plan knows it isn't universal ( there are no mandates- that distinction is huge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyman21 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 If McCain wins, it would be devastating to the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Policy wise, Republicans because the game would change completely and we would start a march back to the policy of the 1960s Politically the Dems, it would fray at the psyche of them that they simply can't do enough to win a Presidential election, and bring out all sorts of conspiracy theories that Diebold stole the election or Americans are racist. In the long run, a humiliating defeat for the Republican party is what will be needed, and then we'll see how long the D caucuas in Congress can avoid fraying before the far left demands to get what it wants. The D's reached before from 1993-1995, and were unable to deliver on any of their promises except "don't ask don't tell" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think it may seem devastating to the Democrats, but it may be the best thing for them, because they will hopefully realize that their party has been hijacked by the far left. Maybe next time around, they'll put up a moderate candidate. I would've thought by now they would have learned their lesson with the Mondales, Dukakis, and Kerrys. But no, they continue to put up obviously far left candidates. My parents are the typical blue collar Democrats. They are voting for McCain because of how left the Democratic party has moved. The Republican party has been infiltrated by neo-cons, but Bush is almost out the door and taking his posse with him. In his place is a candidate that is a moderate who has a track record with reaching out to Democrats. The reason why Jimmy Carter won was because he seemed like a down to earth, Andy Griffith like southener, safe, and who would be a breath of fresh air after all the watergate BS. If I'm not mistaken, he was consistently up in the polls by 30 points for the whole summer. All the Democrats had to do was put up someone who didn't appear polarizing, but as always they find a way to screw up an opportunity for power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Man, if the Democrats can't win this election that's going to be served up on a silver platter to them, I can't imagine how devastating that'll be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Man, if the Democrats can't win this election that's going to be served up on a silver platter to them, I can't imagine how devastating that'll be. Although it seems like a democratic year, I honestly don't think it's a gimme by any means. The democratic run congress had had a historical low 9% approval rating. It's not like moderate, independent americans are looking at democrats as their savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammsteinSkins Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Obama,Democrats haven't won since Clinton and need a win but im hoping it doesn't happen for either parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Obama losing obviously. If McCain loses we could start purging liberals and left leaning moderate Republicans out of the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dems would be crushed if Obama loses, the GOP brand is in the toilet thanks to Bush and all they have to offer is Mccain that is piss poor, some choice. This country needs more political parties. DEMS GOPS pick your poison they both suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Obama. No doubt. He needs to win. The Dems suck and usually find a way to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Very bad for Obama. The Hillary crew might like it. Many will blame race rather than policies left of center, so I don't know what the Dems would learn. Republicans can more easily rationalize why they lost (McCain is too old, too liberal, unpopular war, threat of recession, GWB ratings etc) but the prospect of the Dems controlling the White House and Congress may be a lot tougher to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Very bad for Obama. The Hillary crew might like it. Many will blame race rather than policies left of center, so I don't know what the Dems would learn.Yeah, I think that's right. The Dems will just think that America wasn't ready for a black President, they'll nominate Hillary in 2012, lose again, and then fall in love with some fresh new face in 2016 ... life goes on.Republicans can more easily rationalize why they lost (McCain is too old, too liberal, unpopular war, threat of recession, GWB ratings etc) but the prospect of the Dems controlling the White House and Congress may be a lot tougher to deal with.Republicans kind of expect to lose, and McCain is at the end of his career anyways, so nobody was looking to him to lead the party. Win or lose, there will be some changes in the Republican Party in the post-Bush era.I actually don't think it will be that devastating for either party if they lose. If either President does very well (or very poorly) in office, then it could have more long-lasting effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 America has a track record of voting for one party for congress and the other party for the White House. Not often will you see one party control everything. It happened with Republicans in recent years, but it's very infrequent for them. I think the Democrats held both the Congress and the White House 18 out of 62 years. Considering the low approval rating for Congress, I don't see that happening this year. This November, in spite of the low approval ratings of Congress, the Democrats will be in full control of the House and Senate, having picked up more seats. John McCain will be the President of the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 If Obama loses. I bet many Dems will BLAME Hilary over the next 4 years. She won't be a realistic possibility in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I don't understand why some of you think that they'll nominate Hillary in 2012 if Obama loses. Four years ago after Bush won for a 2nd time, no one had any idea that Obama would be the nominee. So outside of Obama, Hillary still stands as the most prominent face that the Dems have...but I still don't get why people automatically assume she'll have the nomination in 4 years. That's a long time and a lot of things can happen between now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviedude25 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 If Obama loses it will absolutely crush the Democrats, if your savior can't lead you to the promise land who could???? The country will be in shambles in 3 years if he wins and the real loser will be the American tax payer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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