skinfan2k Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 More 2-a-days this year than Gibbs 2.0 combined, per Sportsnite. Kelly Johnson was reporting that the guys are more fresher and have less meetings and are focusing their attention on the field. She also mentioned that the team atomsphere is much more relaxed and fun. I think this can attribute that there is only 1 Boss instead of multiple HC on the sidelines like Gibbs 2.0. I really think we might have a star in Jim Zorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac9 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Agreed, Zorn is a great leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think JG should have never brought in Al Saunders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think JG should have never brought in Al Saunders. Whoever chose to do so made a big mistake bringing him in....I just wish JC had the opportunity to work with Zorn earlier in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 What i find amazing is the organization that this inexperienced coaching staff has. From the looks of the first two games, game day operations looks great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins10 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Al Saunders' offense is fine. Gibbs just wouldn't let him run it the way it was supposed to run. The way that's WORKED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Al Saunders' offense is fine. Gibbs just wouldn't let him run it the way it was supposed to run. The way that's WORKED. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area51 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think JG should have never brought in Al Saunders. Off all the bad moves the FO/Gibbs made, bringing in Saunders was the worst. Gibbs' offense was doing well until they lost their only legitimate #2 WR, and of course Brunell playing injured. The Saunders hiring is the biggest reason for Gibbs 2.0 not being a success. As for our new coach, everything he has done has really impressed me (except for him not knowing our team colors lol). I think we are starting to figure out why we didn't hire Spagnulo or any other high profile guy to be our next HC. Snyderatto were really impressed by the Zorn, and so far, it looks pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 They were needed due to the new system being implemented on the offensive side and for the new DC to add his tweeks to the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Off all the bad moves the FO/Gibbs made, bringing in Saunders was the worst. Gibbs' offense was doing well until they lost their only legitimate #2 WR, and of course Brunell playing injured. The Saunders hiring is the biggest reason for Gibbs 2.0 not being a success.As for our new coach, everything he has done has really impressed me (except for him not knowing our team colors lol). I think we are starting to figure out why we didn't hire Spagnulo or any other high profile guy to be our next HC. Snyderatto were really impressed by the Zorn, and so far, it looks pretty damn good. Our offense was working so well in the playoffs and through a dumb luck stretch where we played a few reeling teams and some just plain bad ones. Gibbs was in over his head, and had lost the fire to go for the jugular. When you generally have defenses as good as Williams put on the field, you don't play conservative ball control, you go for the kill because even if you turn it over, you can trust your defense to make the stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGordon_3 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think JG should have never brought in Al Saunders. I think Gibbs brought in Al Saunders because he realized that he was in over his head. Gibbs' offense was outdated and predictable. Ask Clinton Portis. Bringing in Saunders wasn't a bad move, but as has been said, Gibbs wouldn't take off the handcuffs, that's why it failed. Zorn is just a huge breath of fresh air though. Can't wait until September 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Our offense was working so well in the playoffs and through a dumb luck stretch where we played a few reeling teams and some just plain bad ones.Gibbs was in over his head, and had lost the fire to go for the jugular. When you generally have defenses as good as Williams put on the field, you don't play conservative ball control, you go for the kill because even if you turn it over, you can trust your defense to make the stop Yeah, most 5 game winning streaks are mostly just dumb luck, that's true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Of course, Joe Gibbs' teams were notorious for peaking at the end of the season. In both of our playoff runs, we had 4 and 5 game winning streaks to close the season respectively. Perhaps all of the work being put in now could lead to us peaking too early, a la the Cowboys of last year (and a host of other teams year in and year out). Although, that being said, with 3 of our first 5 games on the road against NFC East opponents, a good start is absolutely vital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedskinDaddy Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 What i find amazing is the organization that this inexperienced coaching staff has. From the looks of the first two games, game day operations looks great Agreed. There's a brick efficiency to the sidelines and the play execution that hasn't been seen since -- dare I say it? -- JG the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNGwithOUTaCrwN Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 More 2-a-days this year than Gibbs 2.0 combined, per Sportsnite. Kelly Johnson was reporting that the guys are more fresher and have less meetings and are focusing their attention on the field. She also mentioned that the team atomsphere is much more relaxed and fun. I think this can attribute that there is only 1 Boss instead of multiple HC on the sidelines like Gibbs 2.0. I really think we might have a star in Jim Zorn "more fresher"?? haha interesting tidbit. i like what ive seen so far. so i guess it is helping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yeah, most 5 game winning streaks are mostly just dumb luck, that's true... Wow the Gibbs defenders amaze me. It was tough gritty football, but it wasn't anything that would get us to....uhhh...a championship. Gibbs offense was almost unwatchable over 4 years. Mainly due to horrid QB play and defenses who didn't fear horrid QB play. Ramsey wasn't the answer, neither was Brunnell. It would have been nice to see what Gibbs might have built had he not feared the draft until the end. At any rate, Gibbs worst move was not hiring Saunders, it was trading picks for Brunell and fielding an offense that feared turnovers more than savoring scoring points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Wow the Gibbs defenders amaze me.It was tough gritty football, but it wasn't anything that would get us to....uhhh...a championship. WTF does that have to do with whether or not the 5 game winning streak was "dumb luck"? Zero, that's what. So why did you pull out the "no championship" card? Why argue a point that's not even being discussed. Gibbs offense was almost unwatchable over 4 years. Mainly due to horrid QB play and defenses who didn't fear horrid QB play. An "unwatchable" offense that somehow broke two franchise offensive records... Ramsey wasn't the answer, neither was Brunnell. Ramsey wasn't. Brunell was never meant to be, other than a short-term answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think JG should have never brought in Al Saunders. Or at least let Saunders execute his offense the way it's meant to be executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 WTF does that have to do with whether or not the 5 game winning streak was "dumb luck"? Zero, that's what. So why did you pull out the "no championship" card? Why argue a point that's not even being discussed. The 5 game winning streak wasn't dumb luck. I wouldn't call it outstanding coaching either. We played well for 5 games and eeked into the playoffs. Gibbs had windows of nice play but as a whole, the offense was a disaster. An "unwatchable" offense that somehow broke two franchise offensive records... What consecutive completions by Brunnel? Or you mean Portis rushing for more yards than any other RB? Did you see his YPC under Gibbs vs YPC prior to coming to DC? Ramsey wasn't. Brunell was never meant to be, other than a short-term answer. No Brunell was Gibbs guy to take us to a championship. It wasn't meant to be a franchise move for 10 years, you are correct. It was meant to win now. It was a horrible decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfanindallas88 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Good to hear MEANWHILE IN OXNARD CALI FOR NI A... the reports here in Dallas are that the cowboys haven't practiced in full pads in over a week...with shorts and tees for afternoon practices Glad we got zorn who knows the value of practicing hard in august...it will do us good in December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I don't know. Like I've said before the Offense looked just fine last year when an experienced vet in Collins came in to run it. Gibbs just doesn't trust young QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy70 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I really like Zorn and think that he might have all those qualities to be a good HC. He's been really impressive in all aspects so far. BUT... What's going on right now, with three more preseason games to go doesn't prove anything. Wait until late November and December to see if all the two-a-days in August were a good thing. Gibbs' program was designed to avoid wearing down players early in the season, so they'd be fresh and peak in time for the playoffs. It works, and has worked. As of now, Zorn is still an unproven commodity, and we won't really be able to critique him as a HC for several months--maybe even a year from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I've said it from day one. The Z-Man will continue to grow on us. Pretty soon, we'll all have Zorn's Flat Top. I love our coach!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 With exceptions like the Monday Night Miracle, Gibbs II won with defense. Bringing Saunders in was smart, but it really seems like we'll never know whether Saunders would've worked or not. Don't think Saunders ever had the carte blanche that Gregg Williams did to run his system his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 The 5 game winning streak wasn't dumb luck. I wouldn't call it outstanding coaching either. We played well for 5 games and eeked into the playoffs. Gibbs had windows of nice play but as a whole, the offense was a disaster. The "dumb luck" part was the only thing I was commenting on. And we didn't "eek" into the playoffs...we won all the games we needed to win. We didn't even need tiebreakers. You want to know what "eeking" into the playoffs is? Look at the 2006 Giants. They went 2-6 in the last half of the season. They were 7-8 when they played the Skins, a 5-10 team with a QB with only 6 starts, in the last game of the season...and the game wasn't won until the very last minutes. They ended up an insanely medicre 8-8...and somehow still made the playoffs. THAT'S "eeking" into the postseason. What consecutive completions by Brunnel? Or you mean Portis rushing for more yards than any other RB? Did you see his YPC under Gibbs vs YPC prior to coming to DC? Portis, and Moss breaking the receiving record...and just because Portis' ypc dropped to 4.3 ypc that season (STILL a good average...check out LT's average that same season) it doesn't diminish the accomplishment one iota. No Brunell was Gibbs guy to take us to a championship. It wasn't meant to be a franchise move for 10 years, you are correct. It was meant to win now. It was a horrible decision. Brunell was not Gibbs' guy "to take us to a championship"...he was Gibbs' chosen veteran QB to lead the team while he tried to turn it around. Gibbs loves vets at the QB position, and Ramsey was our, um, "vet" lol...he brought in a real vet to offer real leadership and--so he thought at the time--real professional QB play. The idea that he brought him in to win us a Super Bowl? Nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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