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So i guess job-seccurity (unemployment is currently at 1%), free public hospitals (and if the waitinglist is to long the goverment sends you to a privat one. Again Free) is only something cavemen europeans like

And the idea that people would stop working because of a high taxrate is simply not true... But i can understand that you wouldn't know this since you haven't been anywhere this aplies. Denmark is infact in the top 4-8 richest countries in the world (now how can that be when we are running the coutry in to the ground with socialism?)

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It seems like the only news coming over the atlantic is about the increasing problems of the U.S. economy... But... i guess it's the devil ho is running our networks.

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So i guess job-seccurity (unemployment is currently at 1%), free public hospitals (and if the waitinglist is to long the goverment sends you to a privat one. Again Free) is only something cavemen europeans like.

Pretty much. Though I wouldn't call you folks cavemen. When you allow the government that much control and influence in your life you simply become a puppet of that government, which is something that I will never become.

I'll die before I accept government assistance in finding a job, or my medical care, or my housing and food. I'd rather die on my own two feet than to live on my knees like people in Europe do.

And the idea that people would stop working because of a high taxrate is simply not true... But i can understand that you wouldn't know this since you haven't been anywhere this aplies. Denmark is infact in the top 4-8 richest countries in the world (now how can that be when we are running the coutry in to the ground with socialism?)

That's simply because, as I said earlier, Europeans are too clueless to realize that their own government is raping them, financially. Americans, or at least those of us who don't buy into the European model that we're trying to duplicate over here, would rather keep our money than give it to the government. Even if it means making less in order to do it.

It seems like the only news coming over the atlantic is about the increasing problems of the U.S. economy... But... i guess it's the devil ho is running our networks.

That's largely because we're trying to duplicate the European concepts here in the United States and it doesn't work in the system we currently have in place. Thankfully some of us here are still willing to stand up against the style of system that would be necessary to make those concepts work.

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That's simply because, as I said earlier, Europeans are too clueless to realize that their own government is raping them, financially. Americans, or at least those of us who don't buy into the European model that we're trying to duplicate over here, would rather keep our money than give it to the government. Even if it means making less in order to do it.

So you believe that the government takes in all that money, to then use on nothing? Sure we pay a lot in taxes... but they come back to us in terms of services that you (americans) have to pay for yourself.

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So you believe that the government takes in all that money, to then use on nothing? Sure we pay a lot in taxes... but they come back to us in terms of services that you (americans) have to pay for yourself.

You're missing the point. I WANT TO pay for those things myself. When I pay for them myself I get the ability to choose when, where, and how I use those services. I get to control the providers of those services by refusing to do business with those that underperform or overprice their services.

I don't want the government telling me when, where, and for what I can (or have to) see a doctor. I don't want them telling me I have to use mass transit to get to and from work. I have found VERY FEW things in my lifetime that the government does better than private consumers/businesses. The military is one of those few. Medicine, transportation, education, social welfare, etc.... should NOT be the work of the government.

Also, i like the fact that the minimum wage in denmark is about 20 dollars an hour.

So even after you pay your taxes you still have enough money to live without having to shoot up the local grocery-store to feed your children.

It has to be, beacuse you're giving $10 an hour of that to the government. A minimum wage like that here in the United States would put pretty much every small business (the backbone of American society) in the country into bankrupcy.

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So you believe that the government takes in all that money, to then use on nothing? Sure we pay a lot in taxes... but they come back to us in terms of services that you (americans) have to pay for yourself.

There is a growing debate within this country about which is the proper division between government support and private responsibility. Mass is on one extreme of the spectrum. He'd even tell you that. Most people are somewhere in the middle.

The concern some have is that with more government support, the quality will go down or that there will be an overarcing Big Brother which will curtail individual liberties.

Much of what Denmark is doing, the U.S. has tried to do to a lesser degree. I watched a documentary recently on Denmark's version of socialized care and it seems to be doing well for you guys, both in terms of quantity and quality.

I think that there will eventually be a greater shift towards shared responsiblity, because the model has proven (imperfect) but somewhat effective in other countries and more, because the system we have is struggling mightily in several areas right now.

Anyway, welcome to the board.

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I think that there will eventually be a greater shift towards shared responsiblity, because the model has proven (imperfect) but somewhat effective in other countries and more, because the system we have is struggling mightily in several areas right now.

Over the dead bodies of a whole lot of REAL Americans, Burgold.

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Over the dead bodies of a whole lot of REAL Americans, Burgold.

Some felt that way about child labor laws, public education, and the abolition of slavery. Now those things are viewed positively. There will be some who will always stick to their guns while retreating into the past and some who will try to advance into the future.

There may be a compromise to deal with entitlements, Big Pharma, and a health system out of whack... but, something needs to change. There are too many elements of the current system that just do not serve us.

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I don't know much about tax law so I'm going to stay out of this one for the most part. I agree with the flat tax rate, I've never seen the fairness in punishing someone for being more successful than someone else. I chose 20%, whether you make $20,000 and have to pay $2,000, or make $1,000,000 and have to pay $200,000, flat taxes for all, I say.

However, I agree with Destino about the double taxation. Income from stocks and capital gains, etc. is NEW income, it is not being double taxed. Now one could argue over whether it should be taxed (of course, I say no because I've made some decent money in the market) but those are two different arguments, and not one where I can provide an informed opinion.

Once this argument got into corporate income and hidden accounts and all, that, I was lost.

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Some felt that way about child labor laws, public education, and the abolition of slavery. Now those things are viewed positively. There will be some who will always stick to their guns while retreating into the past and some who will try to advance into the future.

Some of us still don't even view all of those things positively, Burgold. Some of us WILL always continue to live the way we believe things should work. Part of the reason I'm hoping Obama is elected in November (though I won't be voting for him) is that I believe it will push a fairly large segment of the citizenry towards REVOLUTION.

There may be a compromise to deal with entitlements, Big Pharma, and a health system out of whack... but, something needs to change. There are too many elements of the current system that just do not serve us.

You know my feelings on compromise. The current system may not serve us well, but copying the Socialist systems installed in Europe will only work to ensure that the system, and the citizenry exist only to serve the Government/State.

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There is no reason what so ever to tax people more or less than others.

There is no reason to tax someone's bonus significantly higher than their standard pay.

I don't even understand why some states charge you tax on a vehicle...that you already paid tax on...especially when that item for most people is not an appreciating asset.

All this effing tax and for what ? So places can employ incompetent people to help manage the affairs, so we as a country spend $500,000 for a single plane...oh by the way we need a fleet of them, so we can spend billions supposedly fighting the good fight and searching for a single man for nearly 7 ****ing years, so we go further and further into debt saving the rest of the world yet letting our own suffer ?

Bull****.

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It appears that not many people are all that eager to repeal the "Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy" I think it has the tax for this group of people at 37.5% right now. And only a couple advocating that it is reasonable to tax at the rate of 50% or higher.

This is one of the issues I could post in the changing political stance thread. But then I wouldl likely have to post in there on a weekly basis

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First, show me in the Constitution where it states that... since I'm an American citizen and I work hard and make an honest comfortable living..... that I am therefore ordered to pay not only my share of the Federal Tax burden... but also the share of others for the sole reason that I am "blessed" or "more fortunate"... and then we'll talk percentages. Until then..... I should be treated equal to everyone else under the Constitution and pay ONLY my share of the tax burden.

As it stands right now, I'm discriminated against by being targeted... due to the mandatory filing of income tax returns... and asked to pay MORE than my share.

Liberalism...the enemy within.

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I don't want the government telling me when, where, and for what I can (or have to) see a doctor. I don't want them telling me I have to use mass transit to get to and from work. I have found VERY FEW things in my lifetime that the government does better than private consumers/businesses. The military is one of those few. Medicine, transportation, education, social welfare, etc.... should NOT be the work of the government.

Sure, i can see the point in that... But i CAN choose which hospital i the entire coutry i want to be treated at. In the near future i can choose whatever hospital in the entire EU. I choose my own everyday-doctor who is not an employe of the government. When you choose which school your children is gonna go to you can of course choose any public school, but if you want them in a privat school the government gives a large amount of the total cost...

As for colleges. Yes they are all public, but they are run very different to each other with different philosefies, teaching-styles and emphasis.

I don't know the amount that goes to the military, but i know it's more than just alot... What 300 billion? I can understand if people had a hard time paying taxes for that, but i think thats a hole topic of it's own.

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