Hubbs Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 This is a good point about Brunell and his lame sell of the play action. But I can hardly blame him for not putting more effort into it. When we just about always passed on third downs(Run,Run,Pass), who was still left in the box to try to fool?Now that we won't be following Gibbs credo of run, run, pass, it is much more important to try an disguise this movement with good technique. Hail Ha, oddly enough, that was the other thing that irritated me about our play action over the past few years. Most offenses will eliminate the play action fake entirely if they're running play action plays in obvious passing situations. We, on the other hand, continued to use trifling little half-assed fakes, even if it was third and eighteen. There's a good chance it never affected anything, since the fakes in those situation were so short, but that might have been another quarter-second to scan the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Aww. Come on. I'll bring LaRonnnnn! Fine, but don't tell skinslove<3, she'll be jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 JC is not comfortable turning his back on the D. He can't read a D consistently without his backed turned to it. Expecting him to do it after he turns his back is not reality. Could be wrong though. Maybe Madden has a drill Zorn can copy to teach JC. On the other hand, it could be argued that a more convincing ball fake could actually pull more defenders out of position and give Campbell some easy targets as soon as he turns around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Lets face it, Gibbs was probably afraid to let him try to fake it, fearing disaster. How hard is it to emulate Favre Manning and the boys? Its not, you hold out the arm, tuck the ball in your gut, and face the other goal post. The play action fake we used repeatedly when down 3+ scores was laughable. Its not rocket science and must be about the easiest thing a QB can do. Gibbs was afraid to let the kid turn his head away from the defense and do a great fake. Heck Gibbs was afraid of the shotgun; the pump fake was not seen last year, nor was the rollout - so case closed - JC hasnt had a chance to do it yet. He has hardly had a chance to run a complete offense actually. Gibbs had him do the fastest least effective yet safest PA fakes. Zorn cant help but improve on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 Oddly enough, for all his supposed lack of true quarterback fundamentals, one of the best ball fakes I've ever seen was Michael Vick's. I'm guessing his coaches put special emphasis on it because it allowed one of his primary weapons, the rollout/bootleg off of a fake stretch play, to be much more effective. You'd think, with Jason's athleticism, we'd try to do the same with him. I'm guessing that part of the reason we didn't is that the Saunders offense has never moved the quarterback around. Zorn, on the other hand, spent all of his playing days doing just that - so, with any luck, we'll see a lot more quarterback motion in his offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z0eboy Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 i thought the play action was set up by a run threat. If you act like your going to hand it off to Portis it will hopefully get the saftey to bite so you can go deep or a LB to bite so you can hit something more intermediate. In some cases the DL will break away from a pass rushing technique in hopes to bottle the run lanes allowing the QB additional time to set and scan the field for a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I recall seeing footage of Seahawks practices, and the play-action fake was stressed over and over and over. If Zorn learned anything or picked anything up while being under Holmgren, this should be one of them. Being a former QB himself should help additionally. I'm not overly concerned. well stated bro. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd421 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Colt Brennan's the best play action QB ever!!!!!Just thought I'd throw that out there before someone else does. Colt Brennan can throw a football clear across the Atlantic Ocean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skull1669 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Do we blame Campbell for his weak PA or do we blame the Great Joe Gibbs? I was always taught a QB is only as good as his Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Do we blame Campbell for his weak PA or do we blame the Great Joe Gibbs? I was always taught a QB is only as good as his Coach. Well if you looked earlier in the thread, you'd see that we discussed that. Gibbs was the head coach, not the QB coach. Obviously he had an influence on JC but the more specific, mechanics related issues were probably more on the shoulders of the QB coach. Now Zorn, being a ex-QB and QB coach himself, will probably be able to offer more expertise in the area and he as already expressed interest in working on JC's mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 here is one 1:38 into the videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXNsOLG0NaA&feature=related Here's another: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8011c81e It's at the :40 mark. I think he sold it pretty well in that play, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Aww. Come on. I'll bring LaRonnnnn! Right.. Like he'll actually show up. :doh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Right.. Like he'll actually show up. :doh: :laugh: :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#BgMase76# Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I won't put that much emphasis on Campbell's PA. I watched the Bills replay on NFL network. He sold the PA just fine. The emphasis should be on the fact that the defense is respecting the run. You can't just run PA whenever and the D doesn't respect your running game at that time.:gaintsuck :dallasuck :eaglesuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I thought his PA was pretty good actually or good emough. There was some game early in the season when he got the cameraman (along with the defense). As with a lot of his game, hes just got to do it consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Colt Brennan's the best play action QB ever!!!!!Just thought I'd throw that out there before someone else does. Doesn't matter because all the QB has to do is lob the ball to Anthony (He's really Tall) Mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Doesn't matter because all the QB has to do is lob the ball to Anthony (He's really Tall) Mix. How come you aren't our OC? This guys got it all figured out! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Doesn't matter because all the QB has to do is lob the ball to Anthony (He's really Tall) Mix. :rotflmao: I hope he can become being known for more than being tall after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnativenerd Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Helen Keller on a foggy day...dude, that's just brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Patty Wack Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I guarantee, guarantee that Zorn will have this fixed. Guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Just out of curiosity, why do you say that they work? It's practically impossible to consistently judge how a fake affects opposing defenses while watching on TV. Sure, plenty of the plays wound up working anyway, but it's not like play action plays completely rely upon the fake in order to be effective. They simply have it built in to gain another advantage over the defense. Hey bro.... Just out of curiosity, why do you say that Jason's play action fakes 'couldn't fool Helen Keller on a foggy day''? It's practically impossible to consistently judge how a fake affects opposing defenses while watching on TV Seriously though what makes you think his PA fakes don't work? IMO Campbell's PA fakes are effective b/c of the completions that follow the PA fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 The "too tall" theory is poppy****. Yes, poppy****. I'm not claiming he is "TOO TALL' to be an effective QB. I'm saying he's kind of a lanky guy, with long arms and legs, and it takes him a little longer than other QBs to FULLY extend his arms (in a play fake motion) and then retract them into a throwing-ready stance. Hence, his play fakes can sometimes be a little short-sold. So, Zorn's coaching about how to be MORE COMPACT and tuck in his elbows will help him be quicker with ALL his arm motions (including his play fake AND his ball release). Also, Zorn seems to be a big FOOTWORK guy too, so I'm hoping he can help JC improve his turns in the backfield too. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 I guarantee, guarantee that Zorn will have this fixed. Guaranteed. He can simply bench JC. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Could someone show some video of JC's bad play action? Not because I don't think any exists, but because his PA never really stood out at me as something he was bad at. Ramsey's PA stood out as needing improvement, but not Campbell's, so I just want to see what a lot of others here are seeing. If he's doing it all the time it shouldn't be too hard to find a few examples lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinzelwashington Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 play action works when the run game works.... his arm sticking out is 5 percent of a good play action.... if there is no run game. there is no play action.. simple as that.. few times the play action worked good but not great, cause of not jason campbells arm sticking out but he over throws santana moss and randle el.. and if those passes were completed, they would respect santana and randle more so they would back up which would lead to bigger holes for portis and betts... anyways, jason is a good qb... just needs to work on his accuracy, and his knowledge of what the d is showing him so he can call the right audible like brady and manning... this is the yr he shines hopefully under a qb head coach and take us to the promise land. only time will tell... hope u are doing good up there sean. we miss u... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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