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It would take a lot for him to surprise, given that he was rated the #1 cover corner in the draft. Obviously, this can only be good news.

On an emotional level, it's bad news for Darrell Green, who we would all love to star for us.

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I don't care how many INT's or plays Smoot or Greer make in training camp. Darrell Green is still the most experienced corner in the NFL today. He is beyond a "student" of the game. I think at worst he'll be the nickel back again this year.

Marty knows this and thats why nobody has been named yet. Remember this, Champ plays with physical ability (size, speed) and brains, Darrell plays with brains then physical ability (mostly speed).

They are giving Darrell snaps to be the backup PR, that way if he's the nickel back and sometimes the dime back, he's still part of the team and can give some of his wisdom and skills to the team.

I got a very strong feeling that when the other CB's like Smoot and Greer are wearing down in week 3 and 4 in the preseason, Darrell who's body is used to this for 19 years will be the same he is this week and will step up and TAKE his job back.

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He hasn't played a full week yet we will see at the end of camp how he is holding up.

If our corners are that good that Darll Green will be the 4th corner the secondary won't be keeping me up at night.

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I love Darrell Green but let's face it, if Smoot can be a good CB for us and Darrell can effectively pass the torch, so be it. I don't think Darrell is going to have a good shot of another ring, as I hoped the last few years. The best we can hope is that he leaves us with his two protégés, and can watch (coach?) proudly in his retirement.

Speaking of Smoot, barring the two recent injuries (which now appear at least manageable) this camp has been one of the most upbeat in years. Most of the news has been extremely positive concerning Smoot and Gardner, and George as well prior to injury. Honestly, I can't recall the last time I have read so much good news concerning our quarterback and rookies. Brad and Lavar had a poor camp last year, etc...

If George and Lavar can work themselves back into the fold in a few weeks, and the rookies continue to shine, we might have a case for some serious optimism here!

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There's no bigger D. Green fan then I. That said, if he is, in fact, the nickle or dime back this year, I'll deal with it knowing we are putting like an "assistant coach" on the field when we need someone to keep "the ducks in a row"smile.gif

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Bufford,

that would not happen. It will be the other way around rookies have learning curves that go up. They also have fresher legs. Injuries build up an Darrell had that calf problem all last year. I'd look fo that to hurt him some more this season. I think we all agree though that the best scenario is that Green is playing in his form from two years ago, Greer through effort beats out darrel green but smoot through sheer talent makes the starting lineup by week one and proceeds to beat out champ bailey to the probowl.

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yeah, but at 33 Dishman's game was much more physical than Darrell's. He had already slowed down some and just lost too much speed.

If Darrell can run a 4.5 (which we know he can) his experience should still give him an edge and let him compete at a high level.

The effect of age will come in that he won't be able to play at a high level for 40 plays a game. His body like last year will start to break down.

So, I do envision him in the nickel back role. Whether Greer starts the season or not, I expect Smoot to the be the starter opposite Bailey by the end of the year and going into next season.

I agree that Bruce and Darrell now realize they in all likelihood won't get that ring.

Marty may lead this team to a title but it is likely to come in 2002 or 2003 when the program has been established and the team can use the draft to fill some more holes on the defensive line and at safety as well as backup RB.

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Darrell's game for the last few years has been to hang back and close fast. So the question really is whether or not he can keep guys from turning him around (and thus losing them), then make up any distance he played off while the ball is in the air.

It seemed to me that he could still do that last season, although a couple of receivers turned him around early. Fortunately QB mis-reads or bad throws prevented big plays and a lot of embarassment.

But it's iffy to me whther he can still do it. Some folks here think he's still a solid #2 CB, but I wonder.

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well, to put all the cb talk in perspective, Will Allen, Nate Clements and Jamar Fletcher are all scheduled to be either opening day starters or nickel backs on their respective teams.

Now, Smoot was rated higher than all of these players before the draft.

So, I can't really understand why some posters are so reluctant to put him or some of our other younger players out there.

I think we need to move away from the old mentality that playing rookies means losing games and suffering catastrophe.

That was the old NFL. Today, players taken in the first 2 or 3 rounds are expected to contribute immediately. Most teams in response to free agency, have simplified their schemes to allow for the turnover of personnel in the offseason.

The days of waiting 4 years to "groom" a top quarterback or cornerback are over.

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If I'm Marty, I have no problem starting a rookie CB if he's the best I've got on opening day. If I've got a vet like D. Green however, and he's shown me in camp and the preseason that he's still a player, I have no problem easing my prize rookie onto the field over the course of the season.

Plus, in this case, I've also got a young veteran in Donovan Greer, who I thought enough of to bring in in the first place, and who looks to be ready to compete.

Smoot's gonna be the man at some point, I think we all know that. If the debate right now is only how many games into his rookie season he becomes the "starter," I say let's let the preseason pass judgement on Green and Greer before we feel like we have to make that call.

If Freddy does in fact beat them out, and he's the best guy for the position from day one, by all means put him out there. If not, wait until he is.

I guess I'm just not in as big a rush as some ... nor do I think whether Smoot starts on opening day, or waits until week ten, is going to be the difference between whether we make the playoffs of not.

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Actually I have a theory that it was the NFL that helped turn Cris Dishman into an average corner more than his skills just eroding over one season.

Not by coincidence IMO, the NFL slightly changed how it called pass interference between Dishman's first and second season here, calling it a lot tighter.

All of a sudden Dishman's skills eroded. Along with Dale Carter, Doug Evans, Nate McMillian, Antonio Langham, and a few others that slip my mind. These were guys who were highly regarded around the league but their game was centered around bullying the WR with contact all over the field. And in one year this all changed. And all these "great" corners became average ones that were reduced to no more than magnets for drawing pass interference penalties.

Now the only game in town is speed and quickness to be a pure cover guy, a la Champ Bailey, and hopefully Smoot as well....

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I like Smoot - he's got a terrific "media smile" and speaks well but I didn't see a whole lot from him on the field that stands out. I watched him get beat for a TD by one of the undrafted free agents. I'm not saying he's dog meat or anything, but it's a bit early to hand him a starting position in the NFL, the graveyard of high profile college CBs.

It would be sweet if he works out. We'd have a tandem of CBs to go along with our OTs - difficult positions to fill.

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Hmmmm. I'm not sure if I'd fault a cornerback for not standing out a lot. More often than not, that means he's doing his job.

As a cornerback, you've succeeded if you make the quarterback look for another receiver rather than the man you're covering. That means you can't make a play on the ball, but you've given the defensive front seven or another DB a chance to make a play. That's good football.

I've seen a couple of reports that Darrell Green hasn't stood out in training camp, so far. But here he is, at the top of the depth chart. It could be a result of Green covering his man, forcing the QB to throw at someone else. Then those other guys get a chance to "stand out," either by getting beat or making a play on the ball.

Corner is a funny position, because often the best ones are rarely tested. Hard to "stand out" when the ball never comes your way.

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I keep remembering people saying that Deion (with Dallas and SF) couldn't be as good as all the hype, because "I never saw him make a good play". My response was, if he's covering Rice, and you haven't seen him, then he's doing his job. (Tried to make the same case about Darrell, but nobody'd heard of him, so they didn't believe me).

I saw somebody rating CBs by tracking "thrwon at". (It was about 5 years ago). I think both Deion and Darrell were in the top 5 (nobody threw at them). I thought that was a much more significant stat than INTs. (The same guy also fount one CB who picked off something like 15% of the balls thrown at him, another interesting stat).

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"I think we need to move away from the old mentality that playing rookies means losing games and suffering catastrophe." - bulldog

As is often the case, bulldog, you make a good point. In today's game it is becoming increasingly important to play rookies, or at least inexperienced (read: cheap) players.

With the salary cap limiting the number of big names on a given team, the teams that can replace the cap hits with servicable replacements will be successful. Value is becoming as important as talent.

Minnesota has done a good job of implementing this over the last several years.

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