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http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080521/EDITORIAL/102987416

The debate over illegal immigration could return to the Senate floor as early as today, with an emergency appropriations bill to fund military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Before the Senate Appropriations Committee approved its version of the bill on Thursday, Sens. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, and Larry Craig, Idaho Republican, successfully attached an amendment that would grant temporary legal status to an estimated 1.35 million illegal-alien farmworkers over the next five years. This number jumps to at least 3 million when children and spouses are factored in. Moreover, according to the Federation for American Immigration Reform, these workers would be immune from prosecution for crimes such as stealing someone's Social Security number. The amendment passed on a 17-12 vote over the opposition of Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Robert Byrd, West Virginia Democrat.

Granting blanket amnesty is wrong. For the past year, Mrs. Feinstein has been pushing legislation called AgJobs, which would have given illegal-alien farmworkers a path to citizenship. Under Feinstein-Craig, sheep herders, goat herders and dairy workers would receive a path to citizenship, but the overwhelming majority of illegal-alien workers would only be permitted to remain in the United States for five years. That is what advocates of the legislation are saying. But if past experience is any indication, in five years, the "temporary" amnesty will become permanent, after members of Congress hear complaints from agribusiness groups and farmworkers' unions that it would be unfair to grant amnesty to one group of illegals while denying it to another. And if open-borders advocates control Congress or the presidency, there will undoubtedly be efforts to allow farmworkers to bring their families to the United States after five years.

Perhaps the most disturbing thing about the Feinstein-Craig measure is the fact that it was attached to an emergency bill funding military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said that if the funds are not approved by Memorial Day, the Defense Department would have to delay paychecks beginning June 15. Although the Bush administration has yet to say whether such a provision would trigger a veto of the war-funding bill, it could well make it impossible for the measure to pass the Senate. It was less than one year ago that the Senate went through a wrenching debate over amnesty for illegal aliens and rejected it — with the majority of Senate Republicans joining freshman Democratic lawmakers including Sens. Jim Webb (Virginia), Claire McCaskill (Missouri) and Jon Tester (Montana) in killing it. The Feinstein-Craig amendment should be stripped from the war-funding measure. They are two issues that should be addressed by separate legislation. Funding the war is an urgent matter. Measuring yeas and neas on amnesty is not.

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At what point did we decide paying the military was an option? and a war funding bill had to be passed. The pay of he people kicking ass should be automatic so they don't have to worry about their families as much back here.

idiots.

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SLIMEY tricks like these is when a LINE ITEM VETO would come in very handy

Larry Craig the Minnesota airport mens room queen conspires with Diane open borders Feinstein to sell out the American people, FANTASTIC JOB. Any wonder this legislative body has an approval rating of 28 percent

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Before the Senate Appropriations Committee approved its version of the bill on Thursday, Sens. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, and Larry Craig, Idaho Republican, successfully attached an amendment that would grant temporary legal status to an estimated 1.35 million illegal-alien farmworkers over the next five years.

Not surprising coming from those two ****bags.

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SLIMEY tricks like these is when a LINE ITEM VETO would come in very handy

Larry Craig the Minnesota airport mens room queen conspires with Diane open borders Feinstein to sell out the American people, FANTASTIC JOB. Any wonder this legislative body has an approval rating of 28 percent

You don't seriously think that line-item vetoing should be constitutional, do you? I mean, it gives the president power to change any law passed by Congress into anything s/he wants.

Also, Congress as a whole pretty much always has a low approval rating.

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Funny thread title!

Isn't there a protocal for posting articles?

As for the legislation...GOOD! This is precisely why Democrats won the 2006 election. Time to get real with our immigration policy. We obviously have a need for this labor.

I know Republicans like to pretend a majority of Americans want to continue to be in denial about our failed immigration policy, but that is simply not the case. Hell, the anti-immigration crowd doesn't even comprise a majority of the Republican party (and that's why the most pro-immigrant Republican in congress is now your nominee) let alone the entire country.

Anti-immigration folks certainly scream the loudest, but the polls have exposed you as a weak minority with questionable motives.

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Isn't there a protocal for posting articles?

As for the legislation...GOOD! This is precisely why Democrats won the 2006 election. Time to get real with our immigration policy. We obviously have a need for this labor.

I know Republicans like to pretend a majority of Americans want to continue to be in denial about our failed immigration policy, but that is simply not the case. Hell, the anti-immigration crowd doesn't even comprise a majority of the Republican party (and that's why the most pro-immigrant Republican in congress is now your nominee) let alone the entire country.

Anti-immigration folks certainly scream the loudest, but the polls have exposed you as a weak minority with questionable motives.

Exactly. Facts are they are not supressing wages, nor are they taking away American jobs, nor are they about to end this country

Now I would much rather prefer this bill get voted on its own merits instead of the dirty trick of attatching it to the military funding bill

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Exactly. Facts are they are not supressing wages, nor are they taking away American jobs, nor are they about to end this country

Now I would much rather prefer this bill get voted on its own merits instead of the dirty trick of attatching it to the military funding bill

Not sure I would call this a dirty trick. It's more like the status quo and has been for years.

I too would prefer congress to operate the old-fashioned way. But the most important thing is the bottom line and our congress making progress in terms of erasing failed policies.

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At what point did we decide paying the military was an option? and a war funding bill had to be passed. The pay of he people kicking ass should be automatic so they don't have to worry about their families as much back here.

idiots.

I totally agree, those that voted for Dubya should automatically pay more taxes to cover the war. "Call the tune, pay the fidler"

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Not sure I would call this a dirty trick. It's more like the status quo and has been for years.

I too would prefer congress to operate the old-fashioned way. But the most important thing is the bottom line and our congress making progress in terms of erasing failed policies.

:laugh:

I won't quite jump on that bandwagon. This particular part of the military funding bill is progress on a key issue. How the labor unions feel about it, well screw 'em they suck anyways

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I totally agree, those that voted for Dubya should automatically pay more taxes to cover the war. "Call the tune, pay the fidler"

Is this gonna be a option if Obama is elected?...If so sign me up :D

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I totally agree, those that voted for Dubya should automatically pay more taxes to cover the war. "Call the tune, pay the fidler"

So those that wished for prescriptions drugs pay more.

those that go for universal healthcare pay more.

those that voted against SS fixing pay more

rinse/repeat.

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Exactly. Facts are they are not supressing wages, nor are they taking away American jobs, nor are they about to end this country

Now I would much rather prefer this bill get voted on its own merits instead of the dirty trick of attatching it to the military funding bill

Facts are that they ARE supressing wages. They take the minimum wage that is GROSSLY outdated. Therefore they ARE taking away American jobs because companies pay the lower wages to increase their profit margins. Furtermore, they ARE ending this country, it's just taking a little time. 10 years ago Spanish wasn't on everything and everywhere. Now, Spanish is the first language used in most Southwestern cities.

Facts are the ENTIRE reason why ILLEGALS aren't treated as such is because they find a way to vote and politicians would rather get a vote than do the right thing to preserve the American way of life.

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Facts are that they ARE supressing wages. They take the minimum wage that is GROSSLY outdated. Therefore they ARE taking away American jobs because companies pay the lower wages to increase their profit margins. Furtermore, they ARE ending this country, it's just taking a little time. 10 years ago Spanish wasn't on everything and everywhere. Now, Spanish is the first language used in most Southwestern cities.

Facts are the ENTIRE reason why ILLEGALS aren't treated as such is because they find a way to vote and politicians would rather get a vote than do the right thing to preserve the American way of life.

Do you get your information from talk radio? Because wherever you are getting your information from-those people are taking you for a ride.

Most immigrants make way more than miinimum wage.

American unemployment is at or near all time lows. We have plenty of jobs-that's why they are here.

This country is not "ending." We've had larger immigration waves than is in the early 1900s relative to the population. Nativists like yourself made the same argument at the time. They were just as wrong then as you are now.

We don't have an official language and we never will.

Illegals don't vote. The corporations who hire them do. I challenge you to find solid evidence that illegals are voting in any substantial quanities. (BTW, talk radio is not a source of information so please don't come back to me with "michellemalkin.com says so").

Futhermore, the federal Government is not here to provide economic protectionism for lazy workers. We are a capitalist society. "I can't compete with illegals" is a sorry excuse for any American. Anyone complaining about that should get off their ass and start their own business-something illegals can't do.

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Do you get your information from talk radio? Because wherever you are getting your information from-those people are taking you for a ride.

Most immigrants make way more than miinimum wage.

American unemployment is at or near all time lows. We have plenty of jobs-that's why they are here.

This country is not "ending." We've had larger immigration waves than is in the early 1900s relative to the population. Nativists like yourself made the same argument at the time. They were just as wrong then as you are now.

We don't have an official language and we never will.

Illegals don't vote. The corporations who hire them do. I challenge you to find solid evidence that illegals are voting in any substantial quanities. (BTW, talk radio is not a source of information so please don't come back to me with "michellemalkin.com says so").

Futhermore, the federal Government is not here to provide economic protectionism for lazy workers. We are a capitalist society. "I can't compete with illegals" is a sorry excuse for any American. Anyone complaining about that should get off their ass and start their own business-something illegals can't do.

Can you support your arguments with links as well? The fact of the matter is the technology is out there for illegals to APPEAR legal with stolen SSN's and false documents.

The immigration wave you speak of were LEGAL. These people come to the US illegally and are slowly taking over the US, at the rate it is going in 10 years English will be the second language and an "American" will be a thing of the past.

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Can you support your arguments with links as well? The fact of the matter is the technology is out there for illegals to APPEAR legal with stolen SSN's and false documents.

The immigration wave you speak of were LEGAL. These people come to the US illegally and are slowly taking over the US, at the rate it is going in 10 years English will be the second language and an "American" will be a thing of the past.

Most of the illegal immigrants are American to begin with.

And you don't even have to worry about ten years down the road--Jesus is coming back in four.

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