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Jerruh is absolutely brilliant! He's handed the keys to a rb by getting rid of Julius, drafting a part-time running back and almost guaranteeing that MB is the starter next season. So what does Barber do? The same thing you and I would do: hard ball his contract... :laugh:

But, where's the love and loyalty by these players (Barber & Hamlin?) Everything is going so well in pukeville, two of their biggest 'stars' are essentially holding out... :laugh:

And, unlike the puke fans who gather in ATN, puke fans everywhere are asking, "Fellas, where's the love...this isn't good."

But no, in ATN, the mantra is, "MB and Hamlin love the pukes...this is just their way of showing affection."

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

BTW, does anyone think these distractions will help the pukes?

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Barber has yet to sign his restricted free agent tender offer.

IRVING, Texas - When the Cowboys benched their starting running back just before the playoff game in January, they did it to reward Marion Barber.

When they let Julius Jones go without a fight in free agency, they did it because of Marion Barber.

And when they drafted Felix Jones instead of Rashard Mendenhall, who many believe was rated higher on their draft board, the Cowboys also did it because of Marion Barber.

The Cowboys obviously believe Marion Barber is a huge part of their plans, not just for this year, but the future.

So why isn't he here?

Why isn't Barber here with his teammates, participating in the off-season conditioning program, or the throwing sessions every Tuesday and Thursday, which basically include every position on the field?

And he's not expected to attend next week's OTA practices either.

The question is simply, why?

And if the answer is because Barber has yet to sign his one-year restricted free agent tender of $2.561 million, then my next question is, then why not sign it?

We all know signing the tender doesn't mean anything in relation to getting a long-term deal. If the two sides can agree on a contract, they'll rip up that tender faster than anything.

But when it comes to being here, at the facility, with his teammates, setting an example for the rookies, which just so happens to include a pair of drafted running backs, Marion Barber should be here with "his" team.

And yes, I know Ken Hamlin is doing the same thing. In fact, the Cowboys slapped the franchise tag on him, and like Barber, he hasn't signed his tender, not to mention come around here at all during the off-season.

Now Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said on Wednesday that he's not worried about either player's absence so far. Rest assured, that mindset will change if the no-shows start to pile up, especially if neither player attends the mini-camp in June.

Whether they participate in the mini-camp or not, both players likely will sign their tenders by then. The Cowboys have the right to lower the tender if it's not signed by June 1.

It just doesn't make sense not to sign them before then. In case they don't get a long-term deal before the start of the season, these players need to make sure they're playing for the highest amount possible. Barber sure would hate to see his $2.5 million tender get reduced to 2.01, if not lower.

OK, but this isn't just about money.

And that's what the players say, right? They always say stuff like, it's not about the money, it's about respect. :laugh:

Well, I'm going to turn it around. If it's about respect, then why aren't these guys here respecting their teammates?

If Jerry Jones isn't worried about these two guys playing the 2008 season with the Cowboys, then to me, it means a deal WILL get done.

And if a deal is going to get done, then what's the hold-up? Get in here and show this team that you're willing to pay the price just like they are.

You have no doubt that Barber is working hard, wherever he is. Word is he's down in Miami, working out with other clients of his agent Drew Rosenhaus. His body alone will tell you about his dedication to working out.

The same goes for Hamlin, and even Terrell Owens, who has attended a few passing sessions this off-season but hasn't been a regular in the off-season program. These guys will come back in good, if not great shape.

But to me, it would seem hard to come back and have the same kind of leadership if you were out doing your own thing in the spring.

It makes me have a little more respect for a guy like Chris Canty, who like Barber and Hamlin, hasn't signed his tender either. Still, he hasn't missed a workout or practice this spring.

This isn't meant to diminish the roles that Barber and Hamlin have for this football team. But this season, with their futures somewhat uncertain, it doesn't make sense to be so far away from the team.

These guys are asking the Cowboys to give them a long-term commitment. But they don't seem too interested in making the same kind of commitment right now.

Every situation is different. With Hamlin, you know he's frustrated by the entire process of the franchise tag. Just days away from free agency for the second year in a row, he gets tagged and now must wait for his agent and the Cowboys to work out a deal. However, let's not feel too sorry for someone who is guaranteed to make $4.3 million this year.

As for Barber, here's a guy who made the Pro Bowl last year, led the team in rushing and has become one of the team's fan favorites.

But he's still not proven as a starter. Are we sure that he is the long-term answer at running back?

The Cowboys seem rather sure by drafting Felix Jones, a more elusive home-run hitting back than Mendenhall, whom the club even compared to Barber.

Jerry Jones went as far to say that having Barber allowed the Cowboys the luxury to take Felix Jones.

Instead of taking that as a compliment, it almost seems like the fourth-year running back is almost using that as a negotiating ploy against the Cowboys.

Now, for those of you who are thinking "as long as they're ready to play by training camp, or even the regular season, that's fine," I can understand that logic. In fact, Jerry Jones might not be that far off from that way of thinking, too.

But if the goal is to be here for the start of the season, and these players are working out just as hard to prepare, then why not be here, with the team?

There's probably more to it than that. There always seems to be. But let's just add that to the list of things that don't make a lot of sense.

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The NFL is a business. These games are played every offseason. If he holds out of Training Camp, then Cowboy Fans will be worried.

You act as if you are totally ignorant to how contract negotiations are conducted. Have you never heard of a player missing workouts to try and leverage a better deal out of a team? :laugh:

Too Funny! :doh:

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The NFL is a business. These games are played every offseason. If he holds out of Training Camp, then Cowboy Fans will be worried.

You act as if you are totally ignorant to how contract negotiations are conducted. Have you never heard of a player missing workouts to try and leverage a better deal out of a team? :laugh:

Too Funny! :doh:

But, but...they LOVE being in pukesville.

I guess this contract stuff isn't a distraction, is it?

Nope. I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.

:laugh:

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But, but...they LOVE being in pukesville.

I guess this contract stuff isn't a distraction, is it?

Nope. I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.

:laugh:

Sad sad man you are. Jealousy does not become you. :laugh:

You wish your team was as talented as the Boys. We always pay our stars. Can you name the last Star Jerry Jones has ever let get away?

Better yet can you name ONE? :laugh:

Try again.

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The NFL is a business. These games are played every offseason. If he holds out of Training Camp, then Cowboy Fans will be worried.

You act as if you are totally ignorant to how contract negotiations are conducted. Have you never heard of a player missing workouts to try and leverage a better deal out of a team? :laugh:

Too Funny! :doh:

KDV, you know he doesnt have a clue, he types "dallas cowboys" into a search engine and posts whatever comes up, and then throws a spin on it.

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Sad sad man you are. Jealousy does not become you. :laugh:

You wish your team was as talented as the Boys. We always pay our stars. Can you name the last Star Jerry Jones has ever let get away?

Better yet can you name ONE? :laugh:

Try again.

By the sounds of this place, looks like Fasano is the next big thing. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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You Cowboy fans can laugh all you want, but you have to admit it's a different type of team since Bill Parcells left. I always hated the Cowboys, but at least with Parcells I could respect them. Now all they want to do is hire guys with poor character and screw over the guys who made them special (this includes coaches, too). The Bengals did alright with it for a while, but it caught up to them. It will catch up with you, too. You're foolish not to be scared.

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I wish I could say I had the confidence they'd face plant through this season. But I can't.

I'm just hoping all of these distractions add up and take their toll.

I agree with you and Robot that all this will come back to bite them. However, I have to also agree that the when is the question. It does point to this season, but predicting can be difficult.

Have to sit back and wait for the June articles TR will post about the progress of contract talks, whether these players show up or not and any other issues that come up.

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When they both get deals, he'll spin that to be the end of the world as well. Jerry overpaid--- etc.. tr1 is amazing.. I'm just glad he's a skin fan. :cool:

You know, I actually find more and more puke fans agreeing with me.

I'm curious, is CZ as monolithic in its thinking as puke fans here in ATN? Is everything good and rosy in pukeville?

The best part about your post is that I've posted something directly from your team's website...

Your own team's website is able to criticize its players.

If only we could get some of that objectivity here.

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If only we could get some of that objectivity here.

I generally find you get what you give.

You continually ask for a standard of Cowboy fans that you can't or won't uphold yourself.

Sometimes even Cowboy fans join you and failing to meet that lofty goal of objectivity.

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This MBIII holdout thing is the work of Drew Rosenhaus, IMO. It wouldn't be the first time he had players hold out for more money than they deserve. I like MBIII, but I don't think he is worth LT money. I'm not too worried about it at this point, because MBIII's options are very limited if he wants to play.

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This MBIII holdout thing is the work of Drew Rosenhaus, IMO. It wouldn't be the first time he had players hold out for more money than they deserve. I like MBIII, but I don't think he is worth LT money. I'm not too worried about it at this point, because MBIII's options are very limited if he wants to play.

Its pretty bad when a player expects to get LT money when not only has he not started a whole year carrying the load himself, but he hasnt even hit 1000 yards yet. How about you prove yourself before you try to get that much money...

I also hate the rookie contracts. :D

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I still find it hilarious that Marion Barber wants to be paid like an elite back when he has yet to put up elite back numbers. (Let's not get into this argument again BWare, I won last time remember? :silly: )

I just want Jerruh to invest LT money into Barber so I can laugh when Barber proves he's not the "elite back" that the media is touting him to be. Let me see him run for 1500+ yards and carry his team into the playoffs. Then we'll talk. :)

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I have no respect for holdouts. You signed a contract, honor it. The team doesn't withhold your money if it thinks it's overpaying you. You shouldn't be able to withhold your services just because you think you are underpaid. It's sad that players have this bargaining chip over teams.

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I have no respect for holdouts. You signed a contract, honor it. The team doesn't withhold your money if it thinks it's overpaying you. You shouldn't be able to withhold your services just because you think you are underpaid. It's sad that players have this bargaining chip over teams.

Yes, but in both cases (Barber and Hamlin), they haven't signed anything (yet). This is strictly the rule of the CBA at work here.

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Sad sad man you are. Jealousy does not become you. :laugh:

You wish your team was as talented as the Boys. We always pay our stars. Can you name the last Star Jerry Jones has ever let get away?

Better yet can you name ONE? :laugh:

Try again.

Emmitt Smith. Of course to you he was on the downward side of his career so he was never really a Star, was he? He only helped the Pukes win 3 Super Bowls and they discarded him like a piece of trash and let him go to Arizona. Three Super Bowls, NFL all time rushing leader, and Jerry kicked him to the curb. Yeah they always pay their Stars.

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Emmitt Smith. Of course to you he was on the downward side of his career so he was never really a Star, was he? He only helped the Pukes win 3 Super Bowls and they discarded him like a piece of trash and let him go to Arizona. Three Super Bowls, NFL all time rushing leader, and Jerry kicked him to the curb. Yeah they always pay their Stars.

Emmitt was not a "Star player" any more when we was released. By fan standards, Emmitt was still a legend. However, his play on the field did not back that up. It was time to move on. He went on to play in Arizona for two years, but in two years only ran for about 1,200 yards.

I think what he was trying to say, we don't let guys like DeMarcus Ware, Tony Romo sits to pee how they are now slip away.

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If I were a cowboy fan, I would definitely be a bit worried with all of this . . . not just the implications this may have on this year, but the next few years as well, with Ware certainly commanding a max contract and Owens looking for one last hefty payday. Regarding this situation though, Barber should just sign this contract and be happy that he is in the position that he is in - he does not have to be the sole ball carrier for the team and will still get paid pretty damn well . . . PLUS, as has been stated numerous times, he has yet to prove himself to be the featured back for an entire year. IF he doesn't show up for the off-season programs and even the training camps, then I would definitely be worried . . . it'll mess with team chemistry (if there is any) and would not look good to the other players and even fans.

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Yes, but in both cases (Barber and Hamlin), they haven't signed anything (yet). This is strictly the rule of the CBA at work here.

I missed that part in my original glance at the article. But in general, my point of view stands.

In Barber's case, then, why not just sign the offer and show your commitment to the team? It's past the point where he could sign with another club. Obviously, Dallas wants to keep him around. Why wouldn't you sign the tender, report to camp, and then negotiate a long-term contract? Worst-case scenario, the guy (who has never run for 1,000 yards and has started only 3 games in 3 years--and NONE last year) makes a cool $2.56 mil.

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